Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

All this talk of food is making me hungry.

I don't know if they're actually Scottish or not, but I love Scotch Eggs. I've been to a few spots where they mix up the recipe and instead of the traditional sausage wrapping, they use Mexican chorizo sausage, which is a phenomenal.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

All this talk of food is making me hungry.

I don't know if they're actually Scottish or not, but I love Scotch Eggs. I've been to a few spots where they mix up the recipe and instead of the traditional sausage wrapping, they use Mexican chorizo sausage, which is a phenomenal.

Believe it or not, I have never tried them!

[alchav21]

RoadHouse2.jpg

This Streaming Movie is setting records. Are you guys going to watch it?
Streaming on Prime, with Jake Gyllenhaal...Don't know if it will make it to Disc!

https://deadline.com/2024/04/road-ho...eo-1235872899/

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by alchav21

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This Streaming Movie is setting records. Are you guys going to watch it?
Streaming on Prime, with Jake Gyllenhaal...Don't know if it will make it to Disc!

https://deadline.com/2024/04/road-ho...eo-1235872899/

I have zero interest in the remake. I also think McGregor is a prick. I have the original on 4K disc from Vinegar Syndrome. I'll stick with that one.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Attachment 301789

This Streaming Movie is setting records. Are you guys going to watch it?
Streaming on Prime, with Jake Gyllenhaal...Don't know if it will make it to Disc!

https://deadline.com/2024/04/road-ho...eo-1235872899/

What’s the point of setting records? No theatrical or disc release=no real profit.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What’s the point of setting records? No theatrical or disc release=no real profit.

It's just cheap junk aimed at the masses.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It's just cheap junk aimed at the masses.

As a member of the great unwashed "masses", I don't mind some cheap junk from time to time and will probably get around to watching this at some point in the future...

As I'm not drinking right now, I took my rare off time this weekend to watch 2 more contemplative pieces...

ALL OF US STRANGERS (2023) and

YOU'LL NEVER FIND ME (2023)

While the former has nothing to do with SALTBURN, you can skip it if you didn't like that movie for....reasons.... otherwise it's a criminally underrated film... shot on film ( big plus for me) with a great soundtrack ( 80's)...

The latter is a great slow burn aussie horror...

I don't know if either will ever get a physical release... the former looked and sounded great on my rig... the latter was streamed on SHUDDER...

[Steedeel]

https://advanced-television.com/2024...functionality/

Can anyone make sense of this or am I missing something? How can screen mirroring ever be a better system that dedicated tv apps or dongles/boxes?

Am I being thick? Screen mirroring is restricted by the host device’s resolution. Tens of millions of smartphones can’t even play HD video via subscription due to copyright restrictions.
Level 1 widevine is required for devices to play HD and anything below 4K is going to look horrific mirrored as nothing is upscaled.

I’m genuinely puzzled as to what the article is even talking about.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

This Streaming Movie is setting records. Are you guys going to watch it?
Streaming on Prime, with Jake Gyllenhaal...Don't know if it will make it to Disc!

https://deadline.com/2024/04/road-ho...eo-1235872899/

I can't say that I have any interest in watching that particular movie.

That being said, as has been discussed ad nauseum here, many of us who buy and collect discs also have streaming subscriptions to at least some services, and therefore watch content on those services, including shows and movies that are original to them (and may not necessarily get physical releases), so this is just an odd post on you part (not that I expect any other kind from you) with the insinuation being that since it does not currently have and may not get a physical release, none of us would watch it on that basis.

But again, many of us have and use streaming services. So this is you trying to make it seem like you are making some kind of point while failing miserably.



And of course, preceding this, you once again did what you've become well known for. You made the ridiculous statement on page 2328 of this thread quoted below (which is similar to many you've made in the past) where you once again made the ridiculous statement about a file on a disc and a streaming service being the same....

Originally Posted by alchav21

Call it what you want, it's a File on a Disc put that File on a Streaming Server and the Quality is the same. I like to keep it simple...KISS. You might fool the others, but you are only intelligent in your own mind. With Fiber Symmetrical Speeds, and todays Graphical Tecnology that same Disc File can be put on a Streaming Server for the highest Quality Streaming. The Streaming Server can adjust for the optimal Bitrate of the users Network!

....and of course MANY of us replied pointing out how and why they are not the same file, and therefore not the same end quality experience. IF they were the same, that'd be a different story, but there not. You can have your viewing preferences, but this is us pointing out actual FACTS to you, which you ignore and refuse to learn from.

And of course, you don't reply further to that conversation and refuse to learn from it. You just do your usual thing of "laying low" for at least a couple/few days (sometimes longer), waiting for the activity in the thread to move on from that discussion for at least a page or two, and then you just go and post your next piece of pro-streaming/anti-disc nonsense is (at least in part) a result of you failing to listen to and comprehend the various things many of us have stated in the past.

And this pattern will continue, with most of us who reply to your latest nonsense (myself included) pointing out your current nonsense, and sometimes referring to your previous nonsense in general terms, but not really pushing for any follow up response for you on those previous conversations or the next one.

Well, at least for me, that will no longer be the case.

As I have done here, I pointed out your last piece of nonsense and the replies that occurred in response to it. So this is me calling you out and that you need to acknowledge the replies you received and not just trail off until you start your next piece of nonsense. People replied with factual statements about why the files are not the same. Time for you to reply to that.



And expect this sort of thing to continue from me each time you do something like this. And I won't just be quoting only the most recent incident of this sort of thing going forward. If you fail to properly follow up on either the discussion from your post on page 2328, and/or the discussion from your most recent post (and the clear intent behind it, which fails to acknowledge many of us using streaming services), then these will continue to be quoted in my future replies, along with any more instances that occur going forward.

So if, for example, some form or another of this happens a further 18 times (in addition to the 2 quoted above, for a total of 20 instances for the sake of this example), with you failing to follow up on any of them and failing to comprehend and acknowledge the truth, then expect me to continue replying in this manner... with (again, for the sake of this example) including the quotes of all 20 instances of you doing this - and that number continuing to grow and adding each additional quote the longer this goes on and a new instance occurs - calling you out and throwing all of your BS right back in your face.

You can prefer streaming all you want. You can watch movies and TV shows through whatever means you prefer. But you refuse to learn and understand simple basic facts and reality. Franky IMO you should be banned from this thread again, but if that isn't going to happen, then this is what I will do in the meantime.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m genuinely puzzled as to what the article is even talking about.

Only skimmed the article but it appears they are talking about screen casting. Tried years ago but no interest for me. I find the ATV4K, Amazon Cube, Shield Pro and Roku's (3) more than enough for our streaming use.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I can't say that I have any interest in watching that particular movie.

That being said, as has been discussed ad nauseum here, many of us who buy and collect discs also have streaming subscriptions to at least some services, and therefore watch content on those services, including shows and movies that are original to them (and may not necessarily get physical releases), so this is just an odd post on you part (not that I expect any other kind from you) with the insinuation being that since it does not currently have and may not get a physical release, none of us would watch it on that basis.

But again, many of us have and use streaming services. So this is you trying to make it seem like you are making some kind of point while failing miserably.



And of course, preceding this, you once again did what you've become well known for. You made the ridiculous statement on page 2328 of this thread quoted below (which is similar to many you've made in the past) where you once again made the ridiculous statement about a file on a disc and a streaming service being the same....





....and of course MANY of us replied pointing out how and why they are not the same file, and therefore not the same end quality experience. IF they were the same, that'd be a different story, but there not. You can have your viewing preferences, but this is us pointing out actual FACTS to you, which you ignore and refuse to learn from.

And of course, you don't reply further to that conversation and refuse to learn from it. You just do your usual thing of "laying low" for at least a couple/few days (sometimes longer), waiting for the activity in the thread to move on from that discussion for at least a page or two, and then you just go and post your next piece of pro-streaming/anti-disc nonsense is (at least in part) a result of you failing to listen to and comprehend the various things many of us have stated in the past.

And this pattern will continue, with most of us who reply to your latest nonsense (myself included) pointing out your current nonsense, and sometimes referring to your previous nonsense in general terms, but not really pushing for any follow up response for you on those previous conversations or the next one.

Well, at least for me, that will no longer be the case.

As I have done here, I pointed out your last piece of nonsense and the replies that occurred in response to it. So this is me calling you out and that you need to acknowledge the replies you received and not just trail off until you start your next piece of nonsense. People replied with factual statements about why the files are not the same. Time for you to reply to that.



And expect this sort of thing to continue from me each time you do something like this. And I won't just be quoting only the most recent incident of this sort of thing going forward. If you fail to properly follow up on either the discussion from your post on page 2328, and/or the discussion from your most recent post (and the clear intent behind it, which fails to acknowledge many of us using streaming services), then these will continue to be quoted in my future replies, along with any more instances that occur going forward.

So if, for example, some form or another of this happens a further 18 times (in addition to the 2 quoted above, for a total of 20 instances for the sake of this example), with you failing to follow up on any of them and failing to comprehend and acknowledge the truth, then expect me to continue replying in this manner... with (again, for the sake of this example) including the quotes of all 20 instances of you doing this - and that number continuing to grow and adding each additional quote the longer this goes on and a new instance occurs - calling you out and throwing all of your BS right back in your face.

You can prefer streaming all you want. You can watch movies and TV shows through whatever means you prefer. But you refuse to learn and understand simple basic facts and reality. Franky IMO you should be banned from this thread again, but if that isn't going to happen, then this is what I will do in the meantime.

... honestly man...I think you just gave him EXACTLY what he feeds off of....
This post is like all his Christmasses have come at once....

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

As I have done here, I pointed out your last piece of nonsense and the replies that occurred in response to it. So this is me calling you out and that you need to acknowledge the replies you received and not just trail off until you start your next piece of nonsense. People replied with factual statements about why the files are not the same. Time for you to reply to that.

Several of us has tried that and there is never a response.

As someone that has dealt with BS artist you never make headway with them. They learn some tech phrases they spout off to folks even less knowledgeable than themselves and the folks go Ooh and Ahh. Then BS artist really start to believe their BS and think of themselves as some sort of expert. Of note, the poster in question has never posted a single piece of original technical work.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

YOU'LL NEVER FIND ME (2023)

Where did you watch?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Only skimmed the article but it appears they are talking about screen casting. Tried years ago but no interest for me. I find the ATV4K, Amazon Cube, Shield Pro and Roku's (3) more than enough for our streaming use.

That’s the problem I have right there, casting and mirroring are two completely different things, he would surely know this?

Casting (Chromecast or Airplay) sends the signal then the device receiving the info can adjust the resolution accordingly, depending on the capabilities of the tv. Mirroring just directly copies the source, warts and all, the mirroring doesn’t allow upscaling either.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Where did you watch?

Watched On SHUDDER through AMAZON PRIME..

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Watched On SHUDDER through AMAZON PRIME..

OK, thanks for the info. I see they have a app for my streaming devices so I will give it a go soon.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

And expect this sort of thing to continue from me each time you do something like this.

I would recommended that you reconsider your decision for a few reasons.

First, it won't do any good. He's not going to change. That's just the hard truth.

Second, what you propose will require a lot of effort on your part and that effort will fail. I understand the desire to correct his patently false comments; I really do. Many of us have refuted his statements for years, but he just keeps repeating them knowing that we will take his bait every time. In short, he's playing us.

Lastly, if the two of you turn this thread into your own personal battlefield of tit for tat replies, you will BOTH run the risk of being booted. It's not worth it. Use your time to educate those that are willing to learn. Put the trolls you encounter on a much needed diet instead.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Most streamers are likely to use a MPEG-DASH file for any given title. That file is segmented with several different encodes at various quality levels. Stacey Spears said when he was at Microsoft they referred to the segments as layers.

MPEG-DASH allows two things for the client (end user). 1 - Allows the selected content to start streaming right away (at a low quality level). 2 - allows the client to see the content at a quality that is dependent on the condition between the client and CDN.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

You can prefer streaming all you want. You can watch movies and TV shows through whatever means you prefer. But you refuse to learn and understand simple basic facts and reality.

Dynamo don't get all excited, and Wendell it's not Rocket Science. I'm the last person on this Site that prefers Streaming, but I've gone through the Disc Phase and moved on. IMO Streaming Quality is just as good as Disc.

Like I said I go back to the DOS=Disc Operating System days, where it was all Files and Folders on Storage Devices. I know that Files come in many shapes and formats. DVD's had VOB Files and BD had M2TS Files. Put those Files on a Server, and you could Stream the Movie to your Display.

I don't pretend to know how Streaming Providers work, but I had a general idea. So what Wendell said made a lot of sense, Video Encoding and Segmentation. Breaking down Content to Segments or Layers for optimal Quality and Network conditions. IMO this is where Solid Communication and Symmetrical Speeds come into play!

https://www.bing.com/search?q=stream...50c7eb&pc=U531

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm the last person on this Site that prefers Streaming,

This is it guys, only one more to go !

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Dynamo don't get all excited, and Wendell it's not Rocket Science. I'm the last person on this Site that prefers Streaming, but I've gone through the Disc Phase and moved on. IMO Streaming Quality is just as good as Disc.

Like I said I go back to the DOS=Disc Operating System days, where it was all Files and Folders on Storage Devices. I know that Files come in many shapes and formats. DVD's had VOB Files and BD had M2TS Files. Put those Files on a Server, and you could Stream the Movie to your Display.

I don't pretend to know how Streaming Providers work, but I had a general idea. So what Wendell said made a lot of sense, Video Encoding and Segmentation. Breaking down Content to Segments or Layers for optimal Quality and Network conditions. IMO this is where Solid Communication and Symmetrical Speeds come into play!

https://www.bing.com/search?q=stream...50c7eb&pc=U531