Fantastic Four (2015)

[MrBlonde]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Fortunately I've managed to largely stay out of that thread and will continue to do so. I currently have zero interest in Episode VII.

It's going to be a gem once it's released.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

It's going to be a gem once it's released.

I've been over Star Wars for a long, long time.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Fortunately I've managed to largely stay out of that thread and will continue to do so. I currently have zero interest in Episode VII.

It's been kind of easy to ignore because most of the "news" so far has really been **** all of nothing.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

It's been kind of easy to ignore because most of the "news" so far has really been **** all of nothing.

Hundreds of pages of nothing. Awesome!

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

Here is the thing, if those involved in this movie took the subject matter more seriously, and didn't do whatever the hell they wanted, the movie would not look like this at all. This isn't what the fantastic four is supposed to be. The filmmakers did not take this seriously and that is why the movie ended up being more serious than it should have been.

I meant serious as in "make a serious movie," not serious as in "taking matching the comics seriously." I assume you know that and were using me as a springboard to make the same argument over again, but I just thought I would clarify and make sure.

Adherence to source material is never something I really care about with film. Even with stuff I read before the movie was made (Jurassic Park, endless Stephen King novels, League of Extraordinary Gentleman, hopefully Dark Tower soon) all I really cared about in the end was if it was a good movie. That's me though, these forums have taught me many of you comic book fans feel... differently.

[The_Walking_Dead]

This is terrible

Trainwreck interview with cast of Fantastic Four reaches new heights of awkwardness - YouTube

[coulson96]

Originally Posted by Bolty

As much as I will probably hate this movie---I'm not believing that quote. That sounds so stupid I don't think they would ever have gotten that off-base. That guy's a liar.

Yeah that's definitely not true, someone else who saw the advanced screening posted something on another forum saying that they handled the powers well and was very positive about the movie. In all the clips/trailers its very clear he is made of rock and is that way all the time, hence the scene where Johnny calls him the thing in a quiet moment (not a fight scene) and reed diffuses the situation by claiming that he knows Ben could take Johnny. Why if he grows this "shell" for fights on command would he be walking around in talking scenes fully rocked. I think this is just another hater trying to ruin the film's reputation before it even hits theatres because they want the rights to return to marvel

The thing is Marvel already have five years worth of movies on their plate, shoehorning in the F4 just for fan-service into an already established game plan for their narrative would be hard work and very difficult, they'd have to introduce them in either their own standalone, which would push back production of their new characters like Black Panther or Ms Marvel and maybe even push back Infinity War which is already being written or they'd have to somehow introduce and develop them in Infinity War. Considering how complex their origins are in both emotional and physical terms. explaining how they get their powers terms are that would be difficult, then after that bringing them together as a team?

They couldn't do that in infinity war, they'd be rushed and not believable and just seem like a shoehorned thing shoved in because some vocal fans wanted them in the film no matter what it did to the narrative or their character progression, you'd need an Avengers length feature to introduce and develop the F4 in the MCU, even more so with the X-men who have a roster that far outweighs the avengers in size and deep and troubled psychological and political story that would require a lot of development.

Some may not agree but I think that the X-men films are great comic book films and Fox did very well with the X-men Franchise minus a couple of missteps. They fully developed all their main players, they dealt with the emotional side of the characters, what grounds them their struggle of conscience, why should they help those who hate and fear them, those who see them as monsters, what makes humanity redeemable? That whole idea of coping with powers but also being in a minority and yet using their differences to protect a world of people who brand them as evolutionary mistakes, being the better man, the guiding force to humanity's change. They study both sides of that coin, those who protect in hope that humanity can change and those who have given up on humanity and believe that they are the past and not the future.

Plus those movies are responsible for one of the most compelling, tragic, iconic and developed CBM movie villains of all time in Sir Ian Mckellen and Michael Fassbender's "Magneto" his insecurities, his superiority complex, the way that tragically and ironically his experiences at the hands of the Nazis as a Jewish Mutant in the 1940s have shaped him into a man who whilst championing the rights of the minority contemplates the genocide of the majority. Plus his sheer personality. The wit, the charm, the intelligence, the rage, the slyness and cunning making him both a pleasure to watch as a villain and one that you can actually connect to on an emotional level.

If this new F4 can over time if they make more, do nearly as well as X-men then I think we will have nothing to worry about. Don't forget when the original X-men film came out beforehand many saw it as a film doomed for box office and critical failure, a young in-experienced director handling one of the largest comic book franchises in Marvel? With dark costumes compared to the comics and a wolverine actor who has barely been in any films rather than a big name? To say people weren't exactly optimistic would be an understatement, still the faithful and even some of the skeptics went to see the film. Fast forward to 2015 and fans are devastated to see Hugh Jackman leave wolverine behind, the X-men Franchise has never been more successful, with last year's DOFP touring the world through millions of screaming fans and becoming one of the highest grossers of last year and one of the best critically reviewed films of last year. Just think in 15 years time will that be the same case with F4? It may seem unlikely now, but it was unlikely in 2000 with X-men...

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Its Fox, who turned Deadpool into Weapon XI; I wouldn't put such a drastic change past them. Marvel has no involvement, so they can basically do what they want...no matter how many fans protest.

Ah yes! And that is why they're doing a "proper" Deadpool now. I mean, Marvel has never made a deviation before that the "fanboys" hated, right? *coughcough*Mandarin*coughcough*

[refnulf]

This movie opens here tomorrow, not sure if I want to go see it though.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by refnulf

This movie opens here tomorrow, not sure if I want to go see it though.

Oh please do, please be our guinea pig.

[chris_sc77]

Dont pay for FF though just in case its as awful it it looks/sounds. You wouldnt want any money going to support more of this sort of thing. Pay for Mission Impossible or another well received movie

[Underworld54]

Apparently there are screenings all across the U.K. today, it won't be long now.

[ManBeast]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Apparently there are screenings all across the U.K. today, it won't be long now.

Not sure about today but we are having a members only screening tomorrow.

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

Ah yes! And that is why they're doing a "proper" Deadpool now. I mean, Marvel has never made a deviation before that the "fanboys" hated, right? *coughcough*Mandarin*coughcough*

Which they basically rectified in that Marvel One-Shot, "All Hail the King".

[CelestialAgent]

*raises hand as seemingly the only person who is excited for this film, thinks the trailers look amazing and the deviations necessary*

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

*raises hand as seemingly the only person who is excited for this film, thinks the trailers look amazing and the deviations necessary*

In what way were they "necessary"?

I think it will be a fun yet heavily flawed sci-fi film but nothing great.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

*raises hand as seemingly the only person who is excited for this film, thinks the trailers look amazing and the deviations necessary*

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

Which they basically rectified in that Marvel One-Shot, "All Hail the King".

doesnt mean crap. Mandarin in Iron Man 3 is ruined. He can only be rectified in another movie, not some little short that no one watched.

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

Which they basically rectified in that Marvel One-Shot, "All Hail the King".

And which Fox is rectifying by making a "proper" Deadpool film. Both are cases of damage control.

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

As bad as that movie is, it's still closer to what the Fantastic Four should be than the new one.

Closer doesn't mean better, I lived my early years with an awesome movie in which Joker kills Batman's parents and another in which Catwoman was some crazy woman out for revenge instead of being a cat burglar, but I still find people that prefer Batman Forever to those two because "it was more faithful".

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I remember a comedian saying one time, "How far into the Dork Forest do you have to travel, to reach grown men playing video games?" As a 34-year-old myself, I wasn't sure whether to be amused or offended by that.

Someone should tell that comedian that most people that play videogames are adults.