Titanic 4K UHD (1997)

[jvonl]

Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

Where is caps-a-holic when you need them?

Some of us have no interest in frame by frame examinations of motion pictures.

[blakninja]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

I think Nolan believes as do many others that physical colour dyes and chemicals produce a richer colour and contrast than digital colour grading can approximate. And he is right, I feel. There's something more tactile about using something real versus virtual. The impact might be subtle but its there. It just feels more real and "present" for he lack of a better word. Also, digital intermediate fixes a particular resolution on the image (4K at the moment). This becomes a limitation if one wants a higher resolution master, especially for IMAX or regular 70mm. Even 35mm film is said to be about 6K. Since the photochemical process is analogue, there's no pixel limit. That final cut negative or Interpositive can be scanned at any resolution the filmmaker wants.

Is Nolan the only guy who wants to do things like this? I think every filmaker should have this philosophy. Except SFX heavy movies.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by escvnte

Couldn't resist not posting this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUz63JzneL8

Definitely not a 10/10 presentation.

Mother hell of loads!
First they ripped our shirts of our backs, now they shred our skins from our bones.
On the ocean's floor only the shoes remain; the bones are pulverized gone to eternity.

[lgans316]

1:1 rip of the UK disc (minus non-English subs/dubs)

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[punisher]

Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

Where is caps-a-holic when you need them?

where they should be..... someplace else...

crapsaholic....I corrected it for you

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by blakninja

Is Nolan the only guy who wants to do things like this? I think every filmaker should have this philosophy. Except SFX heavy movies.

The one and only, as far as I know. Tarantino also prefers photochemical prints, but barring The Hateful Eight, he doesn't get them. Prints of his movies are sourced from DI masters.

[blakninja]

Does anyone remember if there was an "Interval" that played in the middle of the movie in the theatrical version? It seems there was an interval in the UK?

[starmike]

Definitely not when I saw it.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by blakninja

Does anyone remember if there was an "Interval" that played in the middle of the movie in the theatrical version? It seems there was an interval in the UK?

It was pretty standard at some of the prestige screens in India back in the day. During the interval, music (sometimes even the soundtrack of the movie) played in the background. For Jurassic Park, the interval had the JP logo displaying the words "Interval" in the JP Africans font.

[grazina31]

Sorry, but was there not a post from someone saying they tried to remux the atmos track with the 3D version but were having trouble on disc 2 as the movie lost sync with the atmos track?
Can't seem to find it anywhere, but I'm wondering if they might have added an additional scene to the movie after the iceberg hits.
Can anyone point me to this? Thank you

[GLipeBlu]

Got the 4k disc yesterday afternoon and watched about an hour last night on my 77" Samsung S90C OLED.

As someone who's taste leans toward preferring a "filmic" look and fidelity to the original source as much as possible, and tends to be sensitive to artificial sharpening and DNR, there are definitely a couple of nits to pick here. First, there is a hyper-sharp quality to fine detail that is striking if not a tad harsh. It was like I had turned sharpness up to 25 or 30 instead of keeping it at 0, but without the haloing or aliasing artifacts that would usually cause. Also, I did notice some smearing/blurring of softer areas of the image occurring in motion, probably caused by the machine learning algorithm not knowing how to properly handle soft or out of focus detail. Or maybe a less than stellar encode? Not sure.

All that being said, I was honestly pleased overall. Cameron really splits the difference between his current obsession with hyper clarity and what I imagine was the original intended look of the movie, and to my eyes it does still look like a big beautiful late 90's blockbuster shot on film, even if it's been tweaked by modern tools and is not quite "filmic." On that note, the new HDR grade is, as expected, stellar.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by punisher

where they should be..... someplace else...

crapsaholic....I corrected it for you

I want this one SO BAD. Want to see how the BD compares to it. Lots of comparisons of Aliens and True Lies but this one, not so much.


Tempted to open it and give it a shot, but if it's weird looking in comparison at the same image size clicking back and forth, I'd return it. For the others, its an easy choice. BD versus weird appearance.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by blakninja

Does anyone remember if there was an "Interval" that played in the middle of the movie in the theatrical version? It seems there was an interval in the UK?

Cameron stated he specifically didn't believe in intermissions because he felt it interrupted the flow of his films. I saw it several times in different theatres when it first got released and also in 3D and it never played with one.

[escvnte]

Originally Posted by blakninja

Does anyone remember if there was an "Interval" that played in the middle of the movie in the theatrical version? It seems there was an interval in the UK?

When I saw it in Australia, in 1997, the "Interval" would start right after the car makeout scene (which should've been this way, when they split VHS and discs for the 2005 and 3D version, as it's just "the perfect ending" for Act 1).
When I saw it in Italy, however, the "Interval" would start right after Captain Smith said "I believe you may get your headlines, Mr. Ismay!", same as the double VHS tape set.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by escvnte

When I saw it in Australia, in 1997, the "Interval" would start right after the car makeout scene (which should've been this way, when they split VHS and discs for the 2005 and 3D version, as it's just "the perfect ending" for Act 1).
When I saw it in Italy, however, the "Interval" would start right after Captain Smith said "I believe you may get your headlines, Mr. Ismay!", same as the double VHS tape set.

Any intermission the film had in theaters anywhere in the world was added by that theater itself, against Cameron's express wishes.

That said, the cut after the line ""I believe you may get your headlines, Mr. Ismay!" is where the studio apparently wanted to put an intermission, and where Cameron was forced to add one by the technical limitations of VHS.

Here's the relevant portion of the published screenplay:

[escvnte]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Any intermission the film had in theaters anywhere in the world was added by that theater itself, against Cameron's express wishes.

That said, the cut after the line ""I believe you may get your headlines, Mr. Ismay!" is where the studio apparently wanted to put an intermission, and where Cameron was forced to add one by the technical limitations of VHS.

Here's the relevant portion of the published screenplay:

I have to grab and read the Illustrated Screenplay that was published in 1998.
I saw someone made a scan of that book, so I might probably give it a read sometime soon, as it also has pictures and other interesting things in it.

Anywho, yes, certain theaters used to do that at the time.
Not only for TITANIC, but also for more short movies (80-100 minutes) as well.
I honestly never left my seat, whenever an intermission was running.
With a movie like TITANIC, though, that flows beautifully from one act to the other, without making the lenght of the movie feel like a real drag, I can see why Cameron would've been pissed.
Imagine if they played the 4 hours version with all the deleted scenes in it.
That would've been probably too much, for some people.

At home, though, with the 3D version, I had to take a break to give my eyes some rest, when I watched it with my long-gone 3DTV, as it was just "too much".
Didn't had to do it when I rewatched it, along with Avatar 3D, on my Quest VR headset, as that thing is just comfortable and easy on the eyes than a 3DTV, even for everyday work.

[starmike]

Side note (speaking of intermissions): I miss overtures

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by jvonl

Some of us have no interest in frame by frame examinations of motion pictures.

I for one love the technical jibber-jabber that we're privy to from certain people on here, and compared to the 'now shipping/running late/slipcase/scratches' updates, I get much more knowledge about the quality of the film itself from these people.

I expect people to have an opinion on the qualty of an individual disc release. I appreciate it.

Posts about 'everything is fine' 'shudduppa you complainin' are pretty much worthless. You have a nice setup, why do you begrudge people that have an opinion on the quality of a film version that's being released? Some are better than others. Some are not.

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by punisher

where they should be..... someplace else...

crapsaholic....I corrected it for you

????????

[Takuma]

Originally Posted by blakninja

Does anyone remember if there was an "Interval" that played in the middle of the movie in the theatrical version? It seems there was an interval in the UK?

I saw this in theater twice back in 1998 in Finland. There was an intermission just after the ship hits the ice berg, but before it starts properly sinking. I thought that was a perfect timing since it split the film into two distinctive halves (the love story and the disaster epic). I'd also argue it didn't do the film's flow any harm since it worked as a cliffhanger... the audience was dying to get back to their seats and see what happens next.

I was 12 years old back then, but I can still remember it clearly. In fact, the timing of the intermission is probably the thing I remember best about it.

I had always assumed it was intended to be played like that by the film makers and I'm surprised to learn it wasn't.