Commentary from the Insiders Thread

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by jwflowersii

Does it make any difference what the yields are to a competitor? Really, every company has intelligence gathering that can tell them this already.

If it makes no difference, why are you here asking?

If every company has this intelligence, why are you here asking?

Ask Amir to prove his posts.

[jwflowersii]

If they have information on the other side, please by all means tell me!!! It's not unprofessional in any way as long as you don't insult people. It's a technology! It doesn't have feelings!!!!

[kitzi]

Originally Posted by jwflowersii

Does it make any difference what the yields are to a competitor? Really, every company has intelligence gathering that can tell them this already.

You're thinking only in terms of this format war, but one replicator my not want his yeilds public knowledge for another replicator to have...and some businesses make it practice to not divulge any such information good or bad so as to be consistent...

[MovieTime]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

My reply in their thread.

Good post I don't think so...this is what makes blu ray owners look like a bunch of punk kids. Come on people let’s have some class here...take a page from Paids book and act like you have some intelligence. Don't go down to HD DVD fan boys levels. I think everyone's taking this format war way to serious being it has and will be a niche media type. It looks like both formats will survive whether we like it or not. The blu ray forum has become another AVS with all this trash talking about this and that. It also makes blu ray owners sound desperate and scared about their chosen format. Lighten up people and lets talk Blu ray...forget HD DVD.

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by jwflowersii

There is nothing stopping the Blu-Ray insiders from providing proof of better yields. I'm sorry, but that is not a very believable counter argument. If I was a lawyer I would be having a field day with Amir if he were lying. I'm sorry but if you are an insider, use your knowledge to take him down. I was told that BD had some things initially by insiders that are still not out on Blu-Ray. It goes both ways folks. Get you head out of you butts and start asking hard questions of these guys instead of sucking on their you know what!!! Being format nuetral, I don't care who wins, but I want to know about each format because right now Blu-Ray is an incomplete system to me but it has potential. However, HD DVD is a better price point and supports all the features on any player.

This gets the situation wrt the burden of proof precisely backwards.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Teazle

This gets the situation wrt the burden of proof precisely backwards.

Exactly!

And it is exactly what Amir is banking on people like jwflowersii buying into....

[jwflowersii]

Actually, what's stopping some company from signing up on any forum with any name and giving any information out. At least Amir has given his name and position for which he can be held liable for any false statements made on AVS. And another thing, when do companies not paint a rosy picture regarding their products. I'm a skeptic, I don't believe a damn dang anyone of these people say, but the more conversation the better in my opinion.

[WickyWoo]

Here's the bottom line. There is this thing called authority

And Paid and the other simply don't A- Have the knowlege, and B- The authority to talk about such things. Even though he can get it, it doesn't mean he's allowed to release it. If we started asking Amir about the yields of combos (which based on the defective units hitting the street is agregiously high) he'd clam up real quick, or simply lie (like he did with the "$200 a disc" BS). Paid would lose his job if he talked about anything like that without permission, and rightly so.

Anyone else remember the time Amir tried to get Paid to violate his NDA when talking the specifics of the VC-1 codec?

Bottom line is this: We know DVD-18 has huge defect rates simply by the numbers of defects that manage to hit the street (1 in 3 DVD-18 sets I buy has at least 1 defective disc, so that's pretty much about a 7% failure rate that gets past QC. Since combos are far harder, how many coasters do you think they're running?)

Whatever BD-50's problems, they do not seem to be hampering anything, and the defective disc appears to be quite rare, better than DVD-9s were when they hit.

So until you and Amir be scientific, and scientific method requires the one making the claim to provide the proof, all you're doing is spouting his FUD.

[jwflowersii]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Bottom line is this: We know DVD-18 has huge defect rates simply by the numbers of defects that manage to hit the street (1 in 3 DVD-18 sets I buy has at least 1 defective disc, so that's pretty much about a 7% failure rate that gets past QC. Since combos are far harder, how many coasters do you think they're running?)

Whatever BD-50's problems, they do not seem to be hampering anything, and the defective disc appears to be quite rare, better than DVD-9s were when they hit.

So until you and Amir be scientific, and scientific method requires the one making the claim to provide the proof, all you're doing is spouting his FUD.

Proof for the above statement!!! Besides anecdotal!!!!

[WickyWoo]

AVS and BR.com have both verified that paidgeek is in the position he says he's in. Amir knows who he is, Penton knows who he is. The only difference is that Microsoft has their office of special plans running far and wide to spread their FUD as an official project, while these guys do it on their own time without company backing

[jwflowersii]

And you think Sony does not!!!!

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by jwflowersii

Actually, what's stopping some company from signing up on any forum with any name and giving any information out. At least Amir has given his name and position for which he can be held liable for any false statements made on AVS. And another thing, when do companies not paint a rosy picture regarding their products. I'm a skeptic, I don't believe a damn dang anyone of these people say, but the more conversation the better in my opinion.

Yet you believe Amir by coming here asking us to prove him wrong.....


I'm done.

[jwflowersii]

Look what the President of the BR Associated said today about HD DVD not being able to hold POTC. So what you're are saying is the Paid is allowed to only say what the Sony line is and provide no proof of otherwise because he is not in a high enough position in his company to know and should not be releasing.

[jwflowersii]

I'm not saying anything about what he said, I'm just asking for open discussion. What's wrong with that?

[WickyWoo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

The average DVD-18 set has 3-4 discs in it, so it's about 1 disc in 10. (7% working out as a nice average since there are more 3 disc than 4s)

You see, what you see above is called a "personal anectdote", relating my experience which may or may not be representative of the whole, but judging by things like the TVShowsonDVD anti-DVD18 campaign (email Gord if you don't believe that exists), I'm certainly not alone.

And anyone with halfa brain can figure out that gluing 2 formats with different tolerances together is harder than gluing 2 like ones.

[Teazle]

Something smells like half-baked troll in here ...

[jwflowersii]

Let me ask you, would you let an HD DVD insider like Amir post on this site?

[WickyWoo]

Look what the President of the BR Associated said today about HD DVD not being able to hold POTC. So what you're are saying is the Paid is allowed to only say what the Sony line is and provide no proof of otherwise because he is not in a high enough position in his company to know and should not be releasing.

Anyone with a BD_ROM drive can do a volume check. It's public information.

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by jwflowersii

Look what the President of the BR Associated said today about HD DVD not being able to hold POTC. So what you're are saying is the Paid is allowed to only say what the Sony line is and provide no proof of otherwise because he is not in a high enough position in his company to know and should not be releasing.

I think it's pretty much common sense that these insiders are within certain limits to what they can say. Amir too. It's not like ANY person who's releasing this information in an official capacity is not towing the company line...obviously each company has different standards to what is acceptable, but this could be said about anyone doing this.

[jwflowersii]

Troll, because I want an open conversation and having to not go to two individual websites that support only one format for information that is really just PR. How am I a troll? I just want to go to one website to get information! A non biased website.