Pioneer 9G Owners Thread - Present & Future

[wafi]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

Thanks HD1080P for the article ,it was very good but I am now torn between the 58" V10 and the Pio 6020, is there any motion blur on the 6020? how come there isn't any specs on contrast ratio anywhere? I want to be able to compare the 2 sets because the Best Buy in my area doesn't have any Kuro models or V10s to look at so I basicly have to go off of specs and reviews on the web. the most I can spend is $3500, which set would you guys buy if you were me? As of now I have a 65" Mitsu Diamond DLP, will I notice a huge difference from that to one of these new plasmas?

Eh thats a tricky one! Yer gonna have all sorts of people tell you one or the other. Some will say Panny some will say Pio. I would really suggest you find the means of seeing both of them side by side and then deciding.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

I just looked at the 600M on amazon, I could probably get it for around $3000, one problem, It doesn't have any speakers and it only has 2 HDMI inputs , is that a newer model pioneer or is the 6020 the most recent?

Dynamic contrast ratios that you see on all the TVs out there are bull $**t and mean nothing. What you want to know is the ANSI Contrast & pioneers have the highest 14,000.1+ My 5020 has an ANSI of 16,800.1(one of the highest measured). I'm not sure about the V10s ANSI but the G10 comes in at 4,000.1. And NO there is no motion blur on any of the Kuro's. The only TVs with a higher ANSI is OLED and good luck picking up a 50"-60" anytime soon. Kuro's are the best hands down. Panasonic will match pioneer in a year or two, but why not have the best NOW?!?!?!? You have never seen black till you've seen KURO black.

Also, get the 600m it's only $2,915 online ! That's a steal!

[sarge1976]

Hey Sonny, how come the 600M doesn't have speakers? and is this a 2008 model? which is better 6020 or the 600M? and what does ANSI mean? sorry for all the ?s but I need to be schooled after researching pannys all week

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

Thanks HD1080P for the article ,it was very good but I am now torn between the 58" V10 and the Pio 6020, is there any motion blur on the 6020? how come there isn't any specs on contrast ratio anywhere? I want to be able to compare the 2 sets because the Best Buy in my area doesn't have any Kuro models or V10s to look at so I basicly have to go off of specs and reviews on the web. the most I can spend is $3500, which set would you guys buy if you were me? As of now I have a 65" Mitsu Diamond DLP, will I notice a huge difference from that to one of these new plasmas?

Sonny had a good reply to this question regarding contrast ratio. ANSI contrast ratio is the most important standard and I wish all companies would release that information. When comparing Dynamic contrast ratio between different brands the numbers are not accurate since different standards are used depending on the company taking the readings. The ANSI contrast number is needed for accurate comparisons between brands.
Link to Sonny's comments on contrast ratio
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=2028298&postcount=482

The viewing angles are excellent on plasmas compared to a 60HZ DLP rear projector. The Pioneer is both a 60HZ and 72HZ plasma and when a 1080p/24 signals are received they are always displayed properly automatically at 72HZ regardless of menu settings. The only thing you will lose when going to a 60 inch Pioneer from a 65 inch DLP is 5 inches smaller screen. Panasonic also has the V10 in a 65 inch version but the picture quality on the 60 inch Pioneer Kuro is better quality (CNET review comparing the V10 series to a Pioneer shows the Pioneer is still better overall). If you had a retail store in your area you could see the small and sometimes large diffrences in quality between the V10 series and Pioneer Elite series.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

Hey Sonny, how come the 600M doesn't have speakers? and is this a 2008 model? which is better 6020 or the 600M? and what does ANSI mean? sorry for all the ?s but I need to be schooled after researching pannys all week

The 600m is a monitor like the pioneer signature series only 101FD(50") & 141FD(60") & dont come with speakers,stand or tuner. I would have to say the 500m/600m are better(then the 6020/5020 by a half a %) in a since that they have "pure" mode which is as close to perfect as any display has come right out of the box. The 6020/5020 should not be discounted as they are damn near perfect.

Like I said all these contrast ratios you see advertised for TV's is crap basically. They can put any outrages CR they want like 2,000,000.1 ANSI is the REAL CR , & Pioneers put up the best numbers bar none. They are the best displays made & anyone who tells you different is a hater or just does not know any better. Yes the 9G Kuros are 2008 models, there will be NO more... F-ing sucks if you ask me. & everyone else who wants the best. Get one while you can!

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Get one while you can!

Don't even ask how many 60 inches and 50 inches I have now. I just purchased another PRO-141FD and several PRO-101FD's to replace a few high-end CRT TV's in the house and at another family members house. Soon every room with a TV might have a Kuro if I do not control myself.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Don't even ask how many 60 inches and 50 inches I have now. I just purchased another PRO-141FD and several PRO-101FD's to replace a few high-end CRT TV's in the house and at another family members house. Soon every room with a TV might have a Kuro if I do not control myself.

Where are the pictures at!!! I'll take a 101 if the price is right?

[MCT]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Don't even ask how many 60 inches and 50 inches I have now. I just purchased another PRO-141FD and several PRO-101FD's to replace a few high-end CRT TV's in the house and at another family members house. Soon every room with a TV might have a Kuro if I do not control myself.

you, sir, are a millonaire.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

I just looked at the 600M on amazon, I could probably get it for around $3000, one problem, It doesn't have any speakers and it only has 2 HDMI inputs , is that a newer model pioneer or is the 6020 the most recent?

The 600M and 500M were a limited run of around 3,000 screens. For more details click on the following link.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1977579&postcount=755

The Pioneer PRO-141FD and PRO-101FD are the top of the line Elite Signature series. You can sometimes find the $7,000 PRO-141FD for under $3,500 online or the $5,500 PRO-101FD online for under $2,500. These displays do not come with a stand, tuner, and no speakers can be added to the display. A dedicated surround system is required. This display is not for everyone.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1796387&postcount=727

For the average consumer the slightly lower quality PRO-151FD and PRO-111FD is better since these displays come with a stand, tuners, and speakers.

Here are all the review links (or spec sheet) for all the 2008 Pioneer models.

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-101FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-141FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro PDP-5020FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60” Plasma (72HZ)

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The 600M and 500M were a limited run of around 3,000 screens. For more details click on the following link.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1977579&postcount=755

The Pioneer PRO-141FD and PRO-101FD are the top of the line Elite Signature series. You can sometimes find the $7,000 PRO-141FD for under $3,500 online or the $5,500 PRO-101FD online for under $2,500. These displays do not come with a stand, tuner, and no speakers can be added to the display. A dedicated surround system is required. This display is not for everyone.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1796387&postcount=727

For the average consumer the slightly lower quality PRO-151FD and PRO-111FD is better since these displays come with a stand, tuners, and speakers.

Here are all the review links (or spec sheet) for all the 2008 Pioneer models.

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-101FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-141FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro PDP-5020FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60” Plasma (72HZ)

So where online are the 101FD's for $2,500??? I'd buy 10, no bull shit.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by MCT

you, sir, are a millonaire.

No I wish I was, I usally keep most of my displays for at least 10 years or longer. Some people I know in my family keep their displays for 20 years or longer.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Sonny

So where online are the 101FD's for $2,500??? I'd buy 10, no bull shit.

The problem is the $200 50 inch stands are on backorder for over 60 days at Pioneer's website. So you would have to use the Ultra Thin Wall mount for $200 for the PRO-101FD's.

Some of these EBAY dealers drop ship from an authorized Pioneer distributor. Others you have to research to make sure you get the 2 year warranty. You can make a offer for around $2,500 and sometimes some dealers will accept the offer.
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=pro-101fd&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Also if you do not want to deal with EBAY, if you email LA Plasma and ask them for their best price on the PRO-141FD or PRO-101FD you will get a email back with a price a lot cheaper then $4,600 or $3,375. They drop ship directly from a Pioneer authorized distributor. There is less then 100 screens left according to one of my sources where these online dealers are drop shipping from.
http://www.laplasma.com/product_info.php?products_id=612

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The problem is the $200 50 inch stands are on backorder for over 60 days at Pioneer's website. So you would have to use the Ultra Thin Wall mount for $200 for the PRO-101FD's.

Some of these EBAY dealers drop ship from an authorized Pioneer distributor. Others you have to research to make sure you get the 2 year warranty. You can make a offer for around $2,500 and sometimes some dealers will accept the offer.
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=pro-101fd&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Also if you do not want to deal with EBAY, if you email LA Plasma and ask them for their best offer on the PRO-141FD or PRO-101FD you will get a email back with a price a lot cheaper then $4,600 or $3,375. They drop ship directly from a Pioneer authorized distributor. There is less then 100 screens left according to one of my sources where these online dealers are drop shipping from.
http://www.laplasma.com/product_info.php?products_id=612

The cheapest I saw on ebay was 3K. I dont care about the stands, just the displays.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Sonny

The cheapest I saw on ebay was 3K. I dont care about the stands, just the displays.

Some of those dealers have an option to make a best offer instead of using the buy it now feature. LA Plasma also has the screens cheaper if you email them. Most the time you will find the PRO-141FD at $3,999 online and the PRO-101FD online for $2,999 with sometimes free shipping. The under $3,500 and under $2,500 price currently has to be done by email or phone and if you purchase 2 or 3 screens sometimes you can get free shipping.

You are correct so far no one is advertising a under $3,500 price for the PRO-141FD and under $2,500 price for the PRO-101FD. Maybe that will happen in the future. These are all amazing prices.

[sarge1976]

what is the cheapest I could get a Pro 151FD for? that looks like a really awesome tv!

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

what is the cheapest I could get a Pro 151FD for? that looks like a really awesome tv!

Locally Best Buy has the $6,500 PRO-151FD on sale for $4,999.98. I have not spent much time searching for that display but here is a link where you can get it for $4,399 with free shipping. I did hear once that someone was able to find one for around $4,000 but I do not know what the shipping cost was.
http://www.nextag.com/151FD/search-html

Make sure that if you are buying online that it is a authorized Pioneer dealer so that you get a full 2 year warranty. Pioneer Elite products are 2 year warranty and non Elite
Pioneer is 1 year warranty.

[sarge1976]

Thanks alot for the info

[lokir1]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

what is the cheapest I could get a Pro 151FD for? that looks like a really awesome tv!

got mine for $5,100.00 flat included shipping and a 3yr mack warranty on top of the 1 from pio 4 yr waranty

[wafi]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Don't even ask how many 60 inches and 50 inches I have now. I just purchased another PRO-141FD and several PRO-101FD's to replace a few high-end CRT TV's in the house and at another family members house. Soon every room with a TV might have a Kuro if I do not control myself.

I could fall in love with you!

[sarge1976]

$5,100 , damn thats alot of $, I'm not trying to be a cheapO but I have a $3500 budget, so I am praying I can find a Pro-151FD for around that by the end of the summe