ABC's "Lost" Discussion (2004-2010)

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Also, at once point smokie/MIB controlled the Temple right? Because he killed the Frenchies.

I think Smokie simply resides in the chamber below the wall that surrounds the Temple. Isn't that where Ben went to be judged last season? Anyway, we saw last night that the actual Temple is beyond that wall.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by mikejet

When Ben went for judgment though that was MIB the whole time and he just transformed from Fake Locke to smokie. I think the judgment was nothing but more things to manipulate him to kill Jacob.

That's exactly what it was. It was all part of MiB's plot to kill Jacob. But Ben still went to be judged voluntarily. Why did he do that? I believe it's tied into Ben summoning the monster back in season 4.

[JLant19]

Originally Posted by mikejet

So let's go back further than the Black Rock. There were people on the island way before then and they were, we assume, Egyptian. Jacob and his friend must have played out their entire "game" once with them, then again with the Black Rock people. So is this the same continuing game from the Black Rock still going on you think?

Also, at once point smokie/MIB controlled the Temple right? Because he killed the Frenchies.

If you remember when Jacob and MIB were talking someone said it always ended the same. ANd MIB said he would find a loophole and that is what happened now with locke.

[Adrock]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

He only knew how to summon it. He didn't know how to control it. (He states this in the end of Season 4).

He probably had 0 idea what it was.

Exactly. He didn't control it at all. He only knew how to summon it, and even that proved that it could take 'a bit'. It certainly was not a press a button and immediately the monster appears type situation.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by mikejet

So let's go back further than the Black Rock. There were people on the island way before then and they were, we assume, Egyptian. Jacob and his friend must have played out their entire "game" once with them, then again with the Black Rock people. So is this the same continuing game from the Black Rock still going on you think?

Yep, I think they made that clear in the finale last season. MIB said something like "they come, they kill, they deceive, they ..." (something). "It always ends the same."

Jacob responded: "It only ends once. Everything else is just progress."

To me, it's some sick game of the human condition.

So it's been played before. Jacob is hoping this is "the end." MIB is trying to prove him wrong.

Originally Posted by mikejet

Also, at once point smokie/MIB controlled the Temple right? Because he killed the Frenchies.

I don't recall that, but in any event the Temple is not where Smokey dragged Locke, etc., into the building. That's what we all thought, but we were wrong. That's just a way to get to the Temple, apparently.

[The Big Blue]

Was Claire on the alt-flight? Seemed odd to wait to show her in the cab, as if that would be a major wtf moment.

Kate stole Jack's pen. Charlie ended up living anyway so probably doesn't mean anything but I thought it was interesting.

Welcome back LOST you frustrating bastage.

[mikejet]

Well my Lost meeting is at 9:30PST here at work. Anyone have theirs scheduled?

[SolStryke]

so was it jacob or MiB inside the cabin? if it was jacob in there, the ring of ash was to keep MiB out. If it was the MiB than it was to keep him trapped inside. Maybe smokey in the early days of the series was the MiB's formless body roaming the island searching for his soul which was trapped in the cabin.

I think it might have been that case, since Ben said "jacob" hated technology and so far everytime smokey has been shot at he goes nuts killing people. Notice when MiBlock came out of the foot and Richard realized who he was Richard told everyone to not shoot at him.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Well my Lost meeting is at 9:30PST here at work. Anyone have theirs scheduled?

I wish! No one at my work, and in fact only 1 person I know, watches LOST.

This is one of my only outlets!

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Blu Tide

Right, but why wouldn't Desmond remember Jack? Obviously this timeline has changed (as things are different on the plane - like Shannon not being there) so if Jack and crew changed things starting back in 1977, would Jack and Des still meet at the stadium??

For the exchange between Locke and Jack - I understand that the survivors really didn't know about Locke's inability to walk - however, in this timeline, Locke and Jack are strangers, but yet Jack seems surprised to see Locke in a wheelchair. (opposed to just another stranger in a wheelchair.)

But on the plane, he had been talking about going on a walkabout and killing his own food etc, which I am pretty sure didn't happen since they didn't let him go in the first place. How far away was he sitting from Jack? Perhaps he heard him.

If Desmond never went on the race, did he meet Libby? Wasn't she the one that provided him with the boat? We are supposed to get her back story.

So then also in this reality, Hurley may have never been in the mental hospital? Is Rose still dying from cancer? Is Sun still planning on leaving her husband? She didn't want to help him at the airport. Shannon didn't come back home, although that could have just been an excuse because they couldn't get her to come back for the episode.

[SolStryke]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

I wish! No one at my work, and in fact only 1 person I know, watches LOST.

This is one of my only outlets!

Im in the same boat, at our office meeting this morning I said last nights episode was awesome, and my boss said she stopped watching last season because it got too confusing with the duel timelines. I said now theyve gone into alternate realities and she gave me a WTF look, hehehe

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by SolStryke

so was it jacob or MiB inside the cabin? if it was jacob in there, the ring of ash was to keep MiB out. If it was the MiB than it was to keep him trapped inside. Maybe smokey in the early days of the series was the MiB's formless body roaming the island searching for his soul which was trapped in the cabin.

I think it might have been that case, since Ben said "jacob" hated technology and so far everytime smokey has been shot at he goes nuts killing people. Notice when MiBlock came out of the foot and Richard realized who he was Richard told everyone to not shoot at him.

I now think that once upon a time Jacob resided in the cabin, and the ring of ash was to keep MiB out. At some point the ash circle was broken and Jacob relocated to the statue. Regardless of whether that's true or not, though, I still think it was MiB who was in the cabin posing as Jacob when Locke and Ben came to visit (the circle was already broken by that point).

Of course, there's also that scene where Christian and Claire are in the cabin. So I'm sure we'll find out what really happened there soon enough.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by SolStryke

Im in the same boat, at our office meeting this morning I said last nights episode was awesome, and my boss said she stopped watching last season because it got too confusing with the duel timelines. I said now theyve gone into alternate realities and she gave me a WTF look, hehehe

It's the opposite here, as we have been moving on more and more through the episodes/seasons more people have joined the group.

[JLant19]

Originally Posted by mikejet

It's the opposite here, as we have been moving on more and more through the episodes/seasons more people have joined the group.

I've noticed most of my friends dropped off after season 2 or in the middle of season 3. I tell everyone it gets so good after the middle of 3. I personally have loved every season and didn't find anything lagging.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by JLant19

I've noticed most of my friends dropped off after season 2 or in the middle of season 3. I tell everyone it gets so good after the middle of 3. I personally have loved every season and didn't find anything lagging.

I think Season 2 is the one that lost the most people because they spent a lot of time on the Hatch. Those that stuck it out and caught Season 3 actually learned a lot. It's hard to convince people to come back though.

[JLant19]

Originally Posted by mikejet

I think Season 2 is the one that lost the most people because they spent a lot of time on the Hatch. Those that stuck it out and caught Season 3 actually learned a lot. It's hard to convince people to come back though.

Yea that's what I read/hear from a lot of people. I loved season 2, thats when IMO the show really started off strong.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by JLant19

Yea that's what I read/hear from a lot of people. I loved season 2, thats when IMO the show really started off strong.

A lot of people were like, "JUST SHOW WHAT'S INSIDE THE DAMN HATCH ALREADY!" then they gave up. Then Season 3 started and they left an we saw a WHOLE NEW WORLD with the other island.

[JLant19]

Originally Posted by mikejet

A lot of people were like, "JUST SHOW WHAT'S INSIDE THE DAMN HATCH ALREADY!" then they gave up. Then Season 3 started and they left an we saw a WHOLE NEW WORLD with the other island.

yea season 3 was ridiculous. so many things happened and the flash fowards changed a lot, just like the flash sideways are now.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by JLant19

yea season 3 was ridiculous. so many things happened and the flash fowards changed a lot, just like the flash sideways are now.

Although technically they are flashbacks and sideways because they take place 3 years in the past right?

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

I now think that once upon a time Jacob resided in the cabin, and the ring of ash was to keep MiB out. At some point the ash circle was broken and Jacob relocated to the statue. Regardless of whether that's true or not, though, I still think it was MiB who was in the cabin posing as Jacob when Locke and Ben came to visit (the circle was already broken by that point).

Of course, there's also that scene where Christian and Claire are in the cabin. So I'm sure we'll find out what really happened there soon enough.

I thought when they showed a glimpse of "jacob" in the cabin... that it was actually Christian the whole time?