The Dark Knight Rises (2012) - Page 259 - Blu-ray Forum

TylerDurden · 12-09-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by s2mikey

Bain didn't work for me. Kind of meh. He's a Darth Vader wannabe who talks like an English literature professor. He was just a basic bad guy. Why didn't someone just shoot him?

Someone did, Catwoman at the end of the film.

BluRoo98 · 12-09-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by V400

I really enjoyed the Reborn doc. Having watched the supplements for BB & TDK when they were released (2005 & 2008), my memory was quite fuzzy concerning them so Reborn didn't feel like a rehash of older material. As for TDKR's supplements, I have yet to watch them except the Batmobile one, so it was like all new material for me.

I haven't watched reborn yet, but I did watch the batmobile feature. It was amazing. I had stopped watching special features but after watching this, it makes me want to go watch special features on all my movies. I guess i will never leave my house again....

s2mikey · 12-09-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I agree almost 100% with your entire post and it's good to hear someone else say it all.

If he was talking about trilogies, which I think he was, then I assume he meant the Star Wars OT. Which to me is either exactly as consistent as Bat-Nolan, or perhaps moreso (and came out in less time than Nolan's).

Watching Bourne films is on my list of most boring things in the universe to do to entertain myself. I would rather play that game with the string and the ball and cup for 2-8 hours.

With all this trilogy talk, I have to wonder, where is the real best trilogy ever in the conversation? That of course being Back to the Future...and I'm only 1/4 joking.

As a general rule, I feel like if both rabid republicans and rabid democrats can love a film, which, they can and do with Bat-Nolan, then it can't possibly be saying anything too important (unless maybe that is what it is saying

). I feel like there are enough interpretations of what these movies are "saying" that if they were trying to say anything they clearly should have been more specific.

I felt like TDK had the potential via Joker to be the most philosophical of all, and ended up feeling like it really dropped that ball. The dramatic contrasting of by-the-rules, no-killing Batman to purely-chaotic, randomly-murdering Joker could have been done so much better; Nolan kept it too low key and maybe gave Joker too much motivation & internal logic. I wanted more of Miller's Joker from The Dark Knight Returns, and was disappointed when we didn't get it.

For me the best Bat-Nolan is Batman Begins. It didn't re-invent Batman, it took its cues from the best of the comics -- but it put it all together so well on the screen that it finally showed the general film-going audience how much dramatic potential there has always been there. The next two had to expand upon that and really show what more could be done, and unfortunately I feel both came up short. I do still like them though, they could have been a lot worse.

Well, I agree with you too, broski.

Batman Begins simply raised the bar. Never before had we had a super hero film quite like this. TDK is better than TDKR as far as Im concerned. The Joker carried it. I also like that in TDK it was OK for main characters to die which never happens in any other film series like this.

Ill probably watch TDKR once more because I tend to require two viewings to fully analyze what Im watching. It had enough going for it that Ill do a round two. I doubt my findings will change though. Ironically, I rank the Bat-Nolan film series in the order they came out:

Begins - #1
Dark Knight - #2
Knight Rises - #3

Blu Myers · 12-09-2012, 01:37 PM

Just saw this on Youtube. It almost makes me sad that the trilogy is over.

http://youtu.be/1s4aAp8OxGg

dholmes · 12-09-2012, 01:40 PM

I found the # on my cowl edition,thanks.My # is 6358,wonder who has # 1 Nolan,Bale or Bane?

Extremis · 12-09-2012, 01:41 PM

Got # 9,999

Abdrewes · 12-09-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by s2mikey

I can buy into the Nolan batman films being the best of the superhero bunch, even though its far from perfect. I can maybe even be talked into this batman series being more consistent than Star Wars but it will never be as big or as long lived as Star Wars. Also, Star Wars came out over the course a much longer time frame which Nolan didn't have to deal with. That does add to the inconsistency of Star Wars. Better writing than LOTR though? Not too sure about that. I couldn't care less about Bourne crap, those are lame.

As for saying something important, Im not so sure about that either.

Finally watched TDKR last night. Technically, the video and sound quality were reference for the most part. The audio was even too much at times! I like the mixed aspect ratio too and I applaud Nolan for using it. Overall the film was only OK though. I'm setting myself up for vicious attacks from the fanboys but I don't mind.

Bain didn't work for me. Kind of meh. He's a Darth Vader wannabe who talks like an English literature professor. He was just a basic bad guy. Why didn't someone just shoot him? I suppose that question can be asked regarding lots of these types of films but the whole thing didn't work. Not an exciting, intriguing villain. Joker was 1,000 times more interesting and so was Ras from batman begins for that matter.

Salina Kyle felt tacked on. Just wasn't sure what her purpose was other than to shoehorn the character into the series. She should have been introduced in TDK in some way.

I didn't like the "Rocky 5 certified - you lost all your money conveniently" ploy either. What was that all about? I suppose they had to so they could tie in things with Marion Cotilards character. Or something.

This is the weakest of the series, IMO. The high ratings were destined to be as such. It was highly anticipated and was the final chapter of a strong series so some reviewers were on autopilot with this and just gave it a high rating. That's fine and it happens in Hollywood all the time. It felt a little too long, lacked the heart and soil of the first two films, and just wasn't as captivating as the other films in the series.

So, I'm slightly disappointed. It's an OK film but far from a great one. It's part of the series and I did like the ending scene a lot. That's all I got.

+1. Imagine waiting in line hours to see this.

Jude72 · 12-09-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MercsOwnz

That poster will be on my wall forever

Found it on this website available for download for 2 credits. There's a link to a print site but I get a 404 error. Still searching.

Eraserheaddf · 12-09-2012, 02:05 PM

For the fun of it, everyone playback the 2nd fight scene, between Batman and Bane. Just watch all the background fighting, it's hilarious.

Extremis · 12-09-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eraserheaddf

For the fun of it, everyone playback the 2nd fight scene, between Batman and Bane. Just watch all the background fighting, it's hilarious.

It's funny watching the fake hits now, but most people didn't notice it the first time in the heat of the battle.

But you have to give Nolan and co. credit for assembling over a thousand people and choreographing such a big fight, with the number of people they had (all costumed, trained and everything else).

Abdrewes · 12-09-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Eraserheaddf

For the fun of it, everyone playback the 2nd fight scene, between Batman and Bane. Just watch all the background fighting, it's hilarious.

Nolan just cant do action. If I want good action I'll watch Flash Gordon. Hell, I'll watch The 30's TV Flash.

Awesome avatar man!

Extremis · 12-09-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdrewes

Nolan just cant do action. If I want good action I'll watch Flash Gordon. Hell, I'll watch The 30's TV Flash.

Awesome avatar man!

What do you mean, Nolan can't do action?

He has made some of the best action scenes of this decade with minimal use of CGI. His action scenes are iconic and daring.

Batman1980 · 12-09-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdrewes

Nolan just cant do action. If I want good action I'll watch Flash Gordon. Hell, I'll watch The 30's TV Flash.

Awesome avatar man!

A better way to put it is Nolan can't choreograph fights, he's just not good at it. I still enjoy his movies quite a bit but to me it's his biggest flaw.

Extremis · 12-09-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

A better way to put it is Nolan can't choreograph fights, he's just not good at it. I still enjoy his movies quite a bit but to me it's his biggest flaw.

You mean he has a hard time choreographing thousands of extras in the back ground so they don't hurt them selves? Name a modern director who did that on this scale.

Abdrewes · 12-09-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan4butler

What do you mean, Nolan can't do action?

He has made some of the best action scenes of this decade with minimal use of CGI. His action scenes are iconic and daring.

His batman films are very well production designed. But good action means two things: build up, and a clear grasp of time and space. Nolans montage in The Dark Knight Rises verges on incoherence.

(in regards to editing in general) Pay close attention to people talking in rooms in this film, on the cut back or the second "shot" in his shot-reverse-shot, his characters move in space and time that makes absolutely no sense. Characters move in ways that are not possible. This just comes down to sloppy execution and a failure in the editing room to match each shot.

As far as action, the plane sequence is indeed breathtaking. But many other scenes are extremely unvisceral and static. The general rule of "good editing" is cut a MOTIVATED cut during movement and match accordingly. Nolan doesn't know where to Place a camera, nor when to cut, leaving his films not very dynamic.

Consider the fluidity and coherence of action directors like Guillermo del Toro, Lau Ka Leung (Legend of Drunken Master), James Cameron, Gareth Evans (The Raid), or Tsui Hark. Nolan doesn't compare.

Extremis · 12-09-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdrewes

His batman films are very well production designed. But good action means two things: build up, and a clear grasp of time and space. Nolans montage in The Dark Knight Rises verges on incoherence.

(in regards to editing in general) Pay close attention to people talking in rooms in this film, on the cut back or the second "shot" in his shot-reverse-shot, his characters move in space and time that makes absolutely no sense. Characters move in ways that are not possible. This just comes down to sloppy execution and a failure in the editing room to match each shot.

As far as action, the plane sequence is indeed breathtaking. But many other scenes are extremely unvisceral and static. The general rule of "good editing" is cut a MOTIVATED cut during movement and match accordingly. Nolan doesn't know where to Place a camera, nor when to cut, leaving his films not very dynamic.

Consider the fluidity and coherence of action directors like Guillermo del Toro, Lau Ka Leung (Legend of Drunken Master), James Cameron, Gareth Evans (The Raid), or Tsui Hark. Nolan doesn't compare.

I totally agree with you on the points you make. You said it very well. I guess we just have to sacrifice big and new action sequences (with the use of IMAX technology) for flawed edited and filmed. One of the things I've noticed more and more in Nolan's films is editing. In comparison to his earlier works (with a better editor) it doesn't stand up. But I thought TDKR was a small step up for him, after some scenes in TDK.

But with the challenges and scale of the 2nd fight in TDKR, Nolan did a hell of a job connecting two locations and choreographing the main fight in editing and general photography.

Early Memphis · 12-09-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Yeah those plastic bags are awful but steelbooks stand up to a lot.

I don't know, I've seen them dent easily enough in those plastic garbage bags.

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Originally Posted by rickah88

Well I did a 6hr marathon last night with the BB exclusive: film + all the extras! Man, what a treat! Any movie that can keep my wife awake for almost 3hrs, is doing something right!
As with superhero movies, you HAVE to suspend your belief a little and go in to it with an open mind. The IMAX visuals, obviously, were amazing! The sound, IMO, rivaled Transformers: DotM, for best in my collection...and the assortment of over 3 hrs of extras were excellent.
This BD should be in everyone's collection! Hands down!
I started watching at 8pm, last night, and finished after 2am...I think I went to bed still numb!
Nolan realy did a great job with, not only this film, but the entire trilogy!
If you have not seen this movie yet...or the previous two, do yourself a favor and, at the very least, rent them! Odds are you'll walk away amazed!

+1!

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Originally Posted by s2mikey

Ill probably watch TDKR once more because I tend to require two viewings to fully analyze what Im watching. It had enough going for it that Ill do a round two. I doubt my findings will change though ...

Maybe if you'd just turn your mind off and watch movies, at least the first time through ... "analyze" ... "doubt (your) findings will change"? Are you watching a flick or preparing for court testimony? It's a frickin' movie, man. It's made to be enjoyed, not analyzed. Prep your review the second or third time through, bro - but if you can't get out of your own way long enough to watch it, to let it just wash over you at least once, you'll never get the magic, man.
If you hate it viewing it like that, 'nuff said, don't bother with it again. If you're at least intrigued, or you just want to bash it in a review, watch it again for "evidence" to fuel your "findings". But you'll never get what folks who turn off their overwrought minds for a couple of hours get if you can't avoid yourself for a few hours. Perhaps meditation or pharmaceuticals would help - before you become one of those grumpy old movie reviewers who never enjoy any movies.

Abdrewes · 12-09-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan4butler

I totally agree with you on the points you make. You said it very well. I guess we just have to sacrifice big and new action sequences (with the use of IMAX technology) for flawed edited and filmed. One of the things I've noticed more and more in Nolan's films is editing. In comparison to his earlier works (with a better editor) it doesn't stand up. But I thought TDKR was a small step up for him, after some scenes in TDK.

But with the challenges and scale of the 2nd fight in TDKR, Nolan did a hell of a job connecting two locations and choreographing the main fight in editing and general photography.

1) You're right in mentioning the IMAX technology, those cameras are immense and you're not gonna get Scorsese-esque steady cam shots or tricky camera placement. I hear you gotta cut a car in half just to film inside!

2) which sequences in TDK are you thinking of? The tunnel sqequence?

Extremis · 12-09-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdrewes

1) You're right in mentioning the IMAX technology, those cameras are immense and you're not gonna get Scorsese-esque steady cam shots or tricky camera placement. I hear you gotta cut a car in half just to film inside!

2) which sequences in TDK are you thinking of? The tunnel sqequence?

Yes. The main sequence everyone had a concern with was the tunnel sequence. On first viewing it didn't bother me, but when looking at if closely it kinda sucked.

(forgot; Were interiors shot with IMAX as well?)

KilloWertz · 12-09-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Yes, they do re-release a lot, but to be fair the exclusives shouldn't count. Almost anything big has retailer exclusives nowadays, and they aren't re-releases. In the case of The Lord of the Rings, releasing them as a collection and then individually makes sense.

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Blu Myers Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Haddonfield, IL Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:37 Blu-ray collection:655 Digital collection:10 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:108	Just saw this on Youtube. It almost makes me sad that the trilogy is over. http://youtu.be/1s4aAp8OxGg Last edited by Blu Myers; 12-09-2012 at 01:40 PM.

12-09-2012, 01:40 PM	#5165
dholmes Active Member Member since:Dec 2010	I found the # on my cowl edition,thanks.My # is 6358,wonder who has # 1 Nolan,Bale or Bane?

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Extremis Special Member Top contributor Member since:Jul 2011 4K collection:83 Blu-ray collection:1801 DVD collection:320 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:67	Got # 9,999

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Eraserheaddf Member Member since:Jun 2010 Blu-ray collection:709 Blu-ray reviews: 10	For the fun of it, everyone playback the 2nd fight scene, between Batman and Bane. Just watch all the background fighting, it's hilarious.

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