Pioneer 9G Owners Thread - Present & Future

[T-Town Oil]

here in tulsa we have a place called ultimate electronics where i was able to purchase a 151 last week for 5300 and thats with 4 year warranty and tax!!! it helps if you know someone who works there, but basically just ask them how low they can go and they are usually straight up with you.
now have 2 kuros, the 6010 and 151. gotta say im happy!!!

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by T-Town Oil

here in tulsa we have a place called ultimate electronics where i was able to purchase a 151 last week for 5300 and thats with 4 year warranty and tax!!! it helps if you know someone who works there, but basically just ask them how low they can go and they are usually straight up with you.
now have 2 kuros, the 6010 and 151. gotta say im happy!!!

Let's see some pictures of those 60" bad boys!

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by wafi

I could fall in love with you!

Personally if I was living along without other family members I would just own one Pioneer Kuro. If one is single all they really need is one display. When people live with small or large families what happens everyone wants to watch something different. These other Pioneer displays were not gifts, they are paying me for the screens that I am setting up for them. Also not every TV location will be updated. There are office and kitchen locations that make a 50 inch size to big. Those areas will get a 26 inch and 32 inch screen. Some of my family members and relatives keep their TV's for 20 years. The displays being upgraded are CRT tube TV's. Also when I talk about family members, I sometimes help relatives setup displays at their house, so not all the Pioneer displays are going in one house. I am guessing that maybe they will keep the Pioneers for 10 or 20 years. Personally in 10 years I might want to get the main home theater room upgraded to a 4K quality display if a 4K optical format is every released around 2016.

I am starting to get PM messages asking me for pricing info on Pioneer screens. I want to make it clear I do not sell any consumer products. I am just an educated videophile and in this forum I provided a few links to places where one can look to find good prices on Pioneer products and detailed information on the models to choose from.

[dtowntke]

well i want to say up greaded but i really mean down graded from a 5020 to a panasonic v10. my kuro had picture issues and pioneer wouldn't send parts or a new panelthey just credited me and i went out and bought a v10. i know the v 10 is rated very well and has cool features but man i really miss the deep deep dark blacks of the pioneer.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by dtowntke

well i want to say up greaded but i really mean down graded from a 5020 to a panasonic v10. my kuro had picture issues and pioneer wouldn't send parts or a new panelthey just credited me and i went out and bought a v10. i know the v 10 is rated very well and has cool features but man i really miss the deep deep dark blacks of the pioneer.

What was the problem?

[Tru2theBlu]

Originally Posted by dtowntke

well i want to say up greaded but i really mean down graded from a 5020 to a panasonic v10. my kuro had picture issues and pioneer wouldn't send parts or a new panelthey just credited me and i went out and bought a v10. i know the v 10 is rated very well and has cool features but man i really miss the deep deep dark blacks of the pioneer.

How old was your set? It seems that the final run of the Pioneers have a higher rate of issues. I saw a 151FD with 4 stuck pixels, and a 6020 with 2 stuck pixels at BB Magnolia. They were only 5 months old.

[dtowntke]

well the tech said he has never seen a problem like it, but the best way to describe it was.... it looked like a greasy thumb print on the in side of the glass. it really only could be seen in white or light colored scenes, in all actuality i probably could have kept it but when you pay that kind of money you would like it to be blemish free

[dtowntke]

the set was two weeks old but i noticed the spot the second day out of the box

[dtowntke]

i am sorry not sure how long ago it was manufactured i had it a total of two weeks

[wafi]

Originally Posted by dtowntke

i am sorry not sure how long ago it was manufactured i had it a total of two weeks

Sorry to hear that bud. Couldnt they have replaced it with another 5020 or did you not want to risk it?

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by dtowntke

well the tech said he has never seen a problem like it, but the best way to describe it was.... it looked like a greasy thumb print on the in side of the glass. it really only could be seen in white or light colored scenes, in all actuality i probably could have kept it but when you pay that kind of money you would like it to be blemish free

Sounds like someone forgot their glove! Are you saying there is a smudge on the inside of the glass?

[dtowntke]

well i bought it from american tv and they didn't have anymore left at any of their stores, and pioneer would only credit american for the set they wouldn't send a new one. it wasn't actually a smudge thats just what it looked like it was a grey circle. when watching the stanley cup finals i would get confused as to what was the puck because the "thumb print" looked like a fast moving puck when the camera would pan

[sarge1976]

damn, I'm thinking about buying a Kuro, I hope the one I get is going to be ok , I don't want to shell out $4300 for a tv and have it be junk,that would really piss me off,and then after all that you can't even get the same set , that F-ing sucks man

[dtowntke]

yes i was pretty pissed and i settled for what is reviewed as the second best tv on the market but it dose not compare. don't get me wrong the v10 has a nice picture but its no kuro..

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

damn, I'm thinking about buying a Kuro, I hope the one I get is going to be ok , I don't want to shell out $4300 for a tv and have it be junk,that would really piss me off,and then after all that you can't even get the same set , that F-ing sucks man

Don't piss your pants yet, you have better odds of winning the lotto then getting a "bad" Kuro. Well it's close anyway... nothings perfect but the kuro is close. It's the last display made in Japan and assembled in the U.S. which equals top quality. It's a shame their done...

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Tru2theBlu

How old was your set? It seems that the final run of the Pioneers have a higher rate of issues. I saw a 151FD with 4 stuck pixels, and a 6020 with 2 stuck pixels at BB Magnolia. They were only 5 months old.

I have been watching a PRO-141FD for several months now with no problems. The Kuro's are engineered in Japan and the US models are assembled in the United States using both US and imported parts. The stands are made in China. I just examined two PRO-101FD's that arrived from the same mail order place on Friday using all kinds of pixel screen tests. The PRO-101FD that arrived on Friday that was assembled in the US in December 2008 is the exact same quality as the PRO-141FD that was assembled in the US in November 2008 (perfect pixels). The problem is the other PRO-101FD that I received on Friday that was assembled in the US in Feb 2009 has one pixel that sometimes gets stuck. I tried using some software that claims to be able to fix some stuck pixels but it did not work. The stuck pixel is not always stuck it only occurs when viewing a completely blue pixel color test screen or once in a while during normal TV viewing. During normal viewing of program material if I am between 2-4 feet from the screen I notice a very small blue pixel that gets stuck for a few seconds and disappears and reappears. I was hoping the intermittent stuck pixel would go away but it might be something I might have to live with. The Elite Signature Series are hand checked and Inspected to the highest standards and maybe 1 intermittent stuck pixel is normal. I might live with the issue, not sure if Pioneer will cover warranty issues on one intermittent stuck pixel. The entire panel might have to be replaced to fix the issue.

The Pioneer manual on page 82 for the Elite Signature series says:

"In rare cases, some pixels can be permanently switched off, or on, resulting in either a black or colored pixel permanently fixed on the screen. This effect is common to all plasma displays because it is a consequence of the
technology."

[sarge1976]

man that sucks, paying all that $ and getting a set with a stuck pixel. could u return it for another one if u wanted to? or are u stuck with it? also, u guys have my mind set on getting a Kuro this summer when I get my refund check from school ,what do you think is a better tv? the 6020 or the 151-FD and why? these are the 2 tv's I narrowed down to buying

[BLUTRIG]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

damn, I'm thinking about buying a Kuro, I hope the one I get is going to be ok , I don't want to shell out $4300 for a tv and have it be junk,that would really piss me off,and then after all that you can't even get the same set , that F-ing sucks man

you have a nice collection of Blu-ray discs,I have a Pionner Elite PRO-151FD G9 , it was made in Japan in 11/08 had no problem,i did 150 hour burn-in disc,look &. run great.I have some picture of it in my HT Gallery

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

man that sucks, paying all that $ and getting a set with a stuck pixel. could u return it for another one if u wanted to? or are u stuck with it? also, u guys have my mind set on getting a Kuro this summer when I get my refund check from school ,what do you think is a better tv? the 6020 or the 151-FD and why? these are the 2 tv's I narrowed down to buying

I will have to see, some of the mail order companies have polices against minor issues like pixels. The PRO-101FD model was never carried at Best Buy or most retail stores so mail order was the only option for that model. Best Buy in my state was out of brand new PRO-141FD's so mail order was the only option on that model also. The good thing is the PRO-141FD assembled in Nov 2008 and PRO-101FD assembled in Dec 2008 are working perfectly. Its just that one PRO-101FD assembled in Feb 2009 that I have 1 intermittent stuck pixel. It produces a very small blue stuck pixel once and a while. I guess it could have been ok coming out of the factory and just got slightly messed up in shipping somewhere. Cosmetically box and display has no visible damage.

The PDP-6020 ($5,500 list price) and PRO-151FD ($6,500 list price) are both really good displays. The PRO-151FD is an Elite that comes with a two year warranty instead of 1 year that the PDP-6020 has. The Elite has a improved color filter, is ISFccc Calibration ready for the best possible picture, has more video processing technology, and better sounding stereo speakers.
Here is a review on the PDP-6020FD
Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

There was never a professional review published on the PRO-151FD but the PRO-111FD 50 inch model is exactly the same as the 60 inch PRO-151FD accept for size, weight, and dimensions.

Here is some links to download 3 color PDF reviews on the PRO-111FD. This display has so many good reviews and received 2008 product of the year award from at least two different magazines.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1628404&postcount=703[/font]

[Sonny]

My 5020FD was assembled in September 2008 & so was my 111FD. My 151FD was assembled in July 2008, I think... I'll have to double check. I have ZERO defects of any kind with my displays, their all absolutely Japanese perfection.

Now we can say, "they just don't make them like they used too..."