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Old 01-04-2024, 07:33 PM   #5241
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That's the worst shot in any version because it's a miniature background blended with the actors via green screen. They smoothed it out a bit more here probably to try and blend the elements together better and honestly I think it's the best the shot has ever looked.
Yeah I had a feeling that one stuck out previously as well.
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Old 01-04-2024, 09:07 PM   #5242
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Dude posted basically the same attack on 10 different movies in 10 different threads and all in about the space of an hour. I just assumed he was on a bender.
I don't pretend there isn't a teal push on some titles these days that wasn't on previous releases, and more newer films over the past 10 years have clearly gone in that direction as well. That's undeniable. But when he popped in here to claim Titanic is teal and orange now, that's when I'm calling nonsense. Titanic on UHD is not hit with the teal & orange trend. At all.

Aliens is indeed too teal imo, especially the blu-ray.
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Old 01-04-2024, 09:18 PM   #5243
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Like almost any debate in the modern world it's about nuance being ignored. There are absolutely some revisionist teal bombs out there, but a lot of people seem to think any teal is revisionist which is silly.
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Old 01-04-2024, 09:35 PM   #5244
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Been hanging onto this unopened 4K for about the past month as I continue wading through the back and forth comments in this thread. Now, the end of my return period is a little over a week away.

My initial impression (of the stream) was that it looks digitally harsh, but I picked up the disc anyway. The generally complimentary remarks for the PQ and Atmos mix from the 4K disc owners imply that it’s pretty good, or as in the case with most professional reviewers, reference. The problems seem to be much more prevalent in the streaming versions.

So, bring it back and get my $30 refund? Or, “Already bought it, so may as well just spin the damn thing and get it over with?” I’m leaning more toward the latter.
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Old 01-04-2024, 10:09 PM   #5245
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Finally HD numérique posted their (mixed) review! They also claim that the Europe disc is a 24-bit Atmos track whereas the US one is 16-bit only. Is that correct ?

https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers...y-titanic.html

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Old 01-05-2024, 01:13 AM   #5246
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Finally HD numérique posted their (mixed) review! They also claim that the Europe disc is a 24-bit Atmos track whereas the US one is 16-bit only. Is that correct ?

https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers...y-titanic.html

Titanic (1997) : 4K Ultra HD vs Blu-ray Comparison (+ ATMOS Preview 🎧) - YouTube
Some of the AI upscale shots are atrocious. I'm appalled.
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Old 01-05-2024, 01:29 AM   #5247
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Been hanging onto this unopened 4K for about the past month as I continue wading through the back and forth comments in this thread. Now, the end of my return period is a little over a week away.

My initial impression (of the stream) was that it looks digitally harsh, but I picked up the disc anyway. The generally complimentary remarks for the PQ and Atmos mix from the 4K disc owners imply that it’s pretty good, or as in the case with most professional reviewers, reference. The problems seem to be much more prevalent in the streaming versions.

So, bring it back and get my $30 refund? Or, “Already bought it, so may as well just spin the damn thing and get it over with?” I’m leaning more toward the latter.
What about option 3?

Buy it again for less ($23 shipped on ebay, for example, and even better if you can find an $18.99 copy at Best Buy) and return your $30 one. Then spin the disc and enjoy it a little bit more.
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Old 01-05-2024, 01:35 AM   #5248
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What about option 3?

Buy it again for less ($23 shipped on ebay, for example, and even better if you can find an $18.99 copy at Best Buy) and return your $30 one. Then spin the disc and enjoy it a little bit more.
Thought about that, but as it’s got a decent slipcover too, I’ll just hang onto it.

I actually bought it Best Buy, but since it’s completely out of stock I don’t think they’ll price match their $18.99.
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Old 01-05-2024, 01:42 AM   #5249
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They sold out the Collector's Edition???? Is it limited? Or they gonna reissue a 2nd batch with the digital code?

Is there a UK version of this Collector's Edition?
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Old 01-05-2024, 03:03 AM   #5250
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Finally HD numérique posted their (mixed) review! They also claim that the Europe disc is a 24-bit Atmos track whereas the US one is 16-bit only. Is that correct ?

https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers...y-titanic.html

Titanic (1997) : 4K Ultra HD vs Blu-ray Comparison (+ ATMOS Preview 🎧) - YouTube
This is an awesome review, I love how in-depth it is, far more than what we usually see. It really is worth reading in its entirety. I'll post below all the paragraphs that talk only about all the processing that Cameron did to the picture, but the whole review is worthy reading. Translated using Google Translate.

The 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray format is recognized for its exceptional ability to reproduce the original silver texture of films, provided that the scanning and cleaning processes of the original negatives are carried out carefully, and the grain management remains faithful to the original silver projections. In the case of this new edition of Titanic, we are in the presence of a totally different approach. Under the supervision of James Cameron, artificial intelligence technology developed by Park Road, a post-production company based in New Zealand, was used in the remastering of the film. The grain, naturally present on the original negative and clearly visible on the previous Blu-ray edition, has been reduced. This reduction, although not aggressive, is sufficiently marked for us to observe a fairly obvious reduction in the intensity of the filmic texture. And, on this "degrained" basis, an artificial improvement of the image definition was probably carried out on all the plans. With a digital reconstruction of information and a rather dazzling intensification of the degree of sharpness. And this intensification is so obvious that it clearly gave us the impression of a "sports treatment", with truly over-sharpened and razor-edge contours, more or less thick. This should please a lot of people (even those who reduce the 4K UHD format to just the degree of sharpness), a little less to those whose eyes have been trained and who are more vigilant in the face of James Cameron's new proposals. In any case, be aware that it is likely that a subtle digital grain has been added over this final reconstructed rendering. An attempt to veil the highly manipulated nature of the image and to attenuate certain recurring criticisms of the abusive DNR? We think so.

It is important to emphasize that this particular remastering of Titanic does not present the symptoms of a totally excessive treatment based on the shortcomings of DNR à la Terminator 2. Today, and this is where we bring nuances to our observations, the optimization was carried out with temperance and discernment, contributing, with a sense of proportion, to the visual experience of the film and making this 4K edition an enticing experience that is not necessarily unpleasant to the eye. We should also be wary of comments from influencers on social networks who can, in just a few moments, spread exaggerated opinions of reality based on zoomed-in photos. These practices never do justice to the viewing experience carried out at a normal distance from the screens and tend to create buzz, without nuance.

Regarding the perception of definition and sharpness, the optimization process carried out remains rather effective on close-ups. It appears that the artificial intelligence has been finely tuned to detect and enhance the details of the faces, as evidenced by the close-ups of Rose which benefit from a subtle enhancement of the texture of the skin and eyes, evoking techniques of "Brow Lift" digital tools responsible for restructuring eyelashes and eyebrows. Similarly, discernible finesse is palpable through textures and clothing, where the protagonist's dresses demonstrate increased sophistication. Rich materials and intricate embellishments like embroidery, beading and lace are rendered with greater precision and finer intra-image contrast. Wide shots of the ship, whether docked, sailing or sinking, reveal the most dramatic digital enhancements. The increased sharpness highlights details like the steel hull's rivets, which stand out with truly renewed clarity. The Victorian-style furnishings in the cabins, including Rose's, as well as the valuables and decorative accessories also benefit from this definition reconstruction, adding an extra touch of clarity to this vast ensemble.

But some aspects of this new 4K UHD version of Titanic have flaws reminiscent of those seen in the 4K UHD edition of Avatar. These issues mainly manifest themselves in wide shots as well as shots showing characters at medium distance, where the technology used sometimes produces unwanted artifacts. Faces can appear sallow and lack natural texture, as is the case with Bill Paxton at 19:05, where the effects applied to his face are particularly unsightly. Similarly, at 1:53:33, when first class passengers are waiting to board the lifeboats, the image processing can give the impression of artificial sharpness, particularly for extras with faces that no longer have anything natural (and even less in x2 zoom). Another point of contention rests on the impact of the algorithm on shots with shallower depth of field. By accentuating background elements, which in the original shots were sometimes intended to remain blurred, the remastering disrupts the focus and balance of the compositions as imagined by the director of photography. Extras and other details in the background are certainly becoming sharper, but was all this really planned in the photographic design of the time?

These digital treatments thus give the images an appearance that could suggest filming with contemporary ultra-high definition digital cameras, rather than with Kodak photochemical emulsions typical of the 1990s and period lenses. And this impression of excessive “digitalization” takes away part of the charm linked to the aesthetic of Titanic. This is our opinion.
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Old 01-05-2024, 03:15 AM   #5251
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They sold out the Collector's Edition???? Is it limited? Or they gonna reissue a 2nd batch with the digital code?

Is there a UK version of this Collector's Edition?
Best Buy no longer sells physical media, so once they ran out, they'll no longer carry it. The Collector's Edition is still available through Amazon US. It doesn't look like the UK is getting the CE, though neither disc are region locked.
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Like almost any debate in the modern world it's about nuance being ignored. There are absolutely some revisionist teal bombs out there, but a lot of people seem to think any teal is revisionist which is silly.
Honestly, I think a lot of people are just tired of this sort of style and look.
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Old 01-05-2024, 03:30 AM   #5253
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Even posters are teal and orange.. coz scientifically speaking.. there's more chances that you will buy a ticket to a movie with a teal and orange poster.. lol
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A.I. redrawn 2K intermediates are the new Teal & Orange.
1) Yawn.
2) It's based on the 4K source, which should be clear for everyone who watched it.
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Oh.

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Old 01-05-2024, 08:24 AM   #5256
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As the french video remarked, the new UHD looks bizarre, with zero new information in highlights, and just taking the old Blu-ray, and running the boarding shot through Topaz, produce the near exact same result.
I believe it's native 4K, some details are too good to be simply created by AI (look at sequins on Rose's dress from the third class party sequence in the HD Numerique's article) and the comparisons between the full frame native 4K shots released back in 2012 and screenshots from UHD also show, in my opinion, that it's degrained and sharpened 4K source.
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Old 01-05-2024, 09:55 AM   #5257
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Anybody has the info of the US UHD disc ? It seems that the dolby atmos is encoded in 16bits contrary to the french disc which is in 24bits (according to HD Numerique's article)
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LOL yes. I'll be cautious of the 4K source affirmations though.
100% certain is they scanned the negative in 4K.
However as the 3D version was finished in 2K, it looks to me the regular version also had a 2K finish.
As the french video remarked, the new UHD looks bizarre, with zero new information in highlights, and just taking the old Blu-ray, and running the boarding shot through Topaz, produce the near exact same result.
No. This was finished out to 4K 2D and 2K 3D in 2012.
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Anybody has the info of the US UHD disc ? It seems that the dolby atmos is encoded in 16bits contrary to the french disc which is in 24bits (according to HD Numerique's article)
It's true : https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4657
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