Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[indravayu]

It seems like the DF Wrasslin' Show is now in syndication, because this is a repeat of THE HOUSE THAT VANISHED fiasco.

I really wanted the full version of THTV and was one of the first people to buy it when it went live - still pissed off about getting burned.

I'm glad I am not interested in LAST VICTIM/FORCED ENTRY, but feel bad for you guys who are into it and got duped.

[WillieMLF]

Originally Posted by Katatonia

How are you convinced it's the superior cut on the disc?

Ruined is just regurgitating his Carrier argument but changing the name. If you're a glutton for punishment, you can go back and dig up his Carrier talking points but I've summarized below:

Blah, blah, superior cut, blah, blah, director's preferred cut, blah, best version of the film on the disc that exists, blah, blah, excellent quality.

Go figure.

The whole 'removing the title from circulation' is also part of Ruined Investments grand strategy. Now instead of just The Carrier, being the sole base of the pyramid investment scheme, we now add Last Victim/ Forced Entry. He is building wealth as we speak, one recalled bru-lay at a time.

[whedon]

Imagine if a record label owner came out and said "we're releasing a special edition release of this long out of print album with a number of extra tracks and a whole new song order". They release details in relation to the number of tracks and the run time and then they spend a couple months hyping it, but then when you get your version of the album you find that 18.8% of the promised tracks are missing and the first thing that the shills do when people complain is come out and say, "well you got the artists prefered version". That is the same as what happened here, df advertised a product and lied about it. They promised a full uncut 88 minute version of a film and then didn't deliver that instead offering a film missing 16/12 minutes of it's runtime.

[babybreese]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Horse Shit?

OK Cow shit.

Or Horse Poo Poo maybe, seeing as infantile thoughts seem to process easier here.

Originally Posted by Ruined

The Last Victim cut of the Blu was literally made from the OCN provided by the director.

That's the horse shit part Ruined,
you silly shill,
there never was a 75 min cut.
Until now.

The only cut 75 min cut of the film is the Demon's scary work.

[babybreese]

Originally Posted by whedon

Imagine if a record label owner came out and said "we're releasing a special edition release of this long out of print album with a number of extra tracks and a whole new song order". They release details in relation to the number of tracks and the run time and then they spend a couple months hyping it, but then when you get your version of the album you find that 18.8% of the promised tracks are missing and the first thing that the shills do when people complain is come out and say, "well you got the artists prefered version". That is the same as what happened here, df advertised a product and lied about it. They promised a full uncut 88 minute version of a film and then didn't deliver that instead offering a film missing 16/12 minutes of it's runtime.

If,
and I really mean IF....

They Were

Well Oiled

Flexed Proficiently

Had Purple Hair

...I would be completely OK with it.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by babybreese

OK Cow shit.

Or Horse Poo Poo maybe, seeing as infantile thoughts seem to process easier here.



That's the horse shit part Ruined,
you silly shill,
there never was a 75 min cut.
Until now.

The only cut 75 min cut of the film is the Demon's scary work.

DF/CR stated BOTH cuts were provided by the director himself and neither are a "fan edit" as you incorrectly state.

So you should be taking it up with the director if you don't like his handiwork.

[TwiStedByDeSign86]

Sucks, just got mine in only but a few minutes ago and I'm far from excited to watch it now.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by TwiStedByDeSign86

Sucks, just got mine in only but a few minutes ago and I'm far from excited to watch it now.

Meh, there are some "usual suspects" that take glee in finding something they can crap on about every Dark Force release that comes out, every single time.

Don't worry about the haters and enjoy the film, knowing it was the filmmakers best effort to give you his ultimate vision.

[Braktastic]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

God, what a cluster****. So will I own a worthless disc?

Code Red/Dark Forces Motto:

"We don't QC, so you have to"!

It never pays to be an early adopter of Code Red or Dark Forces Blu-rays.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by ThatDeviantGuy

Has anyone done a comparison with the 88 minute version to see exactly what's missing? Over 10 minutes is quite a lot of time...

This 2012 blog entry gives you a rundown of the changes from the original film present in the 88min VHS FORCED ENTRY release some are opining about here:

http://hillplace.blogspot.com/2012/0...st-victim.html

Originally Posted by Hill Place

"The Last Victim" is also available on YouTube in an alternate version entitled "Forced Entry." This version was released on VHS in 1984, after Tanya Roberts and Nancy Allen, who has a small role as one of Carl's victims, had risen to prominence in the ensuing decade. (Several years ago, Code Red DVD had announced that they were releasing a special edition DVD of this film with both "The Last Victim" and the "Forced Entry" versions to allow the viewers to compare them side-by-side. Unfortunately, that DVD has still not seen the light of day.) "Forced Entry" is a heavily doctored version of "The Last Victim" that botches whatever virtues the original had in its favor....

Note there are some spoilers in the rest of the link...

Originally Posted by whedon

Imagine if a record label owner came out and said "we're releasing a special edition release of this long out of print album with a number of extra tracks and a whole new song order". They release details in relation to the number of tracks and the run time and then they spend a couple months hyping it, but then when you get your version of the album you find that 18.8% of the promised tracks are missing and the first thing that the shills do when people complain is come out and say, "well you got the artists prefered version". That is the same as what happened here, df advertised a product and lied about it. They promised a full uncut 88 minute version of a film and then didn't deliver that instead offering a film missing 16/12 minutes of it's runtime.

Again, see above link - the 88min version is not the "uncut" version of the film, its an inferior re-cut of the original film. Read the below synopsis of the changes (that are for the worse) in the 88min VHS version people are talking about.

[cloudnine]

Originally Posted by Ruined

What I said was factually accurate, I apologize if it counters the outrage of the day. Forced Entry was a cash-in re-release due to new fame of the actresses in The Last Victim ~10yr later, padded out with more violence edited in and other nonsense. Look it up.

The Last Victim on this Blu-ray is from the OCN of the original film and what the director himself here provided as his ideal version.

Again, I do understand that some people are upset DF advertised an 88min cut and this cut is not on the disc - but again in the big picture of things, we got the director's preferred cut of an obscure film (the shorter cut being the one you admitted is superior yourself) and this is really the most important takeaway.

Ruined, even though you're NOT a shill, how do you have all this time on your hands to constantly post replies all day?

[indravayu]

Start the countdown to when Ruined declares the LAST VICTIM blu will become a super valuable collector's item, a la CARRIER.

[dawnofthediscs]

Originally Posted by indravayu

Start the countdown to when Ruined declares the LAST VICTIM blu will become a super valuable collector's item, a la CARRIER.

Sincerely can’t wait. Funny how history repeats itself

[kraven]

Imagine if Arrow did this!

[kraven]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Arrow has botched more releases than Dark Force, if you are considering this a botch.

Arrow's percentage is better, and yes this is a botch.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by kraven

Imagine if Arrow did this!

Arrow has botched more releases, if you consider this a botch.

Originally Posted by kraven

Arrow's percentage is better, and yes this is a botch.

Arrow is a bigger label, their percentage should be better. But they have botched far more well known releases that have plenty of existing releases and reference points.


You can consider it a botch by the director of the film if you'd like, they are his cuts provided to CR/DF. The only thing DF did wrong was misreport the running time of what the director was providing, there is nothing wrong with the encoding or mastering of the disc. Personally, I am happy to have the best versions of the film which were created by the director. The 88min VHS version sounds terrible based on the above link that details the changes (the link actually describes the 88min version as "botched" btw).

[El_Fez]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Re: store being closed, title was available for like a week and sold out half of it's run. There was plenty of time to buy, should subscribe to this thread or DF Facebook for notifications if you visit that infrequently.

Or, and this is a crazy idea but hear me out, have the storefront open 24 hours a day like Amazon or Diabolik or Deep Discount DVD or Bullmoose or Family Video or Grindhouse Video or Vinegar Syndrome or 88 Films or 101 films or Ronin Flix or CDJapan or Shout! Factory or Best Buy or Screen Archives or Right Stuff Anime or . . . .

[WillieMLF]

Originally Posted by El_Fez

Or, and this is a crazy idea but hear me out, have the storefront open 24 hours a day like Amazon or Diabolik or Deep Discount DVD or Bullmoose or Family Video or Grindhouse Video or Vinegar Syndrome or 88 Films or 101 films or Ronin Flix or CDJapan or Shout! Factory or Best Buy or Screen Archives or Right Stuff Anime or . . . .

He'll argue that none of these slacker websites have to deal with everyone piling on for no other reason than it's fashionable to bash DF. To Ruined, everyone is getting all hot and bothered over silliness like misrepresenting a product one is selling.

Glad I held off buying it. Hopefully 88 will put it out.

[NossB]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Arrow is a bigger label, their percentage should be better. But they have botched far more well known releases that have plenty of existing releases and reference points.

For the most part, Arrow and companies like Arrow have a replacement program in place when they botch a release like this.

On the other hand, CR and DF have a history of throwing the toys out of the pram when confronted with a botched release.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by NossB

For the most part, Arrow and companies like Arrow have a replacement program in place when they botch a release like this.

On the other hand, CR and DF have a history of throwing the toys out of the pram when confronted with a botched release.

Shout Factory is good with replacement programs, Arrow US not so much. Of the 10-12 releases Arrow US botched they only had replacement programs on 2 or 3.

Regarding this release of The Last Victim, these versions on the Blu ray are reportedly the cuts of the film the director himself put together. There is nothing wrong with encoding or mastering of the disc The 88min VHS cut is also an abomination re-cut of the film from reports I have read such as one I linked previously. So what exactly do you expect CR/DF to do in a replacement? Add the re-cut 88min VHS quality rip even though it sucks both in PQ and as a movie? Who would actually watch that?