Frogmort's HT Pad

[frogmort]

The Low Frequency Effect (.1) channel shouldn't even have an option to adjust a Low Pass Filter. It should be locked at 120hz. If you adjust it any lower than 120hz, the information above that cutoff is thrown away.It's a useless and detrimental option. Ask Big Daddy or Chris Kyriakakis.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/subwoofers...nt-part-i.html

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/230307-lfe-setting

Edit: Bass management is a completely seperate thing from Low Frequency Effect. If you cut a speaker off at 80hz, everything below that gets redirected to the sub(s). That's bass management.

The Low Frequency Effect channel is the discreet .1 information that covers a range of up to 120hz, and is specifically mixed exclusively for the subwoofer output.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by spaceape

No i never lower my crossover.

"Never over that" was referring too the measured/recommend audessey settings.. I always tweak these a little by raising them after ex. 40hz->80hz.

But my big revelation were that the speakers and sub should match the way you mentioned. How do you know this? Is it by personal experience or did you read it somewere?

Reading and experience. 80hz is recommended, if you have great speaker and they sound good with the lower hz then a person should test to see if they like the overall sound.

If a person speakers doesn't do well on the low-end, then they should be raised until they like how well that speaker handle the low-end, and then let the subwoofer handle anything lower.

So the test is, how low can a speaker go that is not distorted, and the sound is fine to you? Whatever that number is, then the sub should take over anything lower.

When you look at the specs of a speaker, and they posted as 40hz is the lowest, you really should raise them to 50hz(I believe 10hz is a good number to go above the printed specs and test) and give an over listen to see how you like.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by frogmort

The Low Frequency Effect (.1) channel shouldn't even have an option to adjust a Low Pass Filter. It should be locked at 120hz. If you adjust it any lower than 120hz, the information above that cutoff is thrown away.It's a useless and detrimental option. Ask Big Daddy or Chris Kyriakakis.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/subwoofers...nt-part-i.html

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/230307-lfe-setting

Edit: Bass management is a completely seperate thing from Low Frequency Effect. If you cut a speaker off at 80hz, everything below that gets redirected to the sub(s). That's bass management.

The Low Frequency Effect channel is the discreet .1 information that covers a range of up to 120hz, and is specifically mixed exclusively for the subwoofer output.

I'm confused on what your getting at. Are you saying, never ever make any adjustments, and everyone should have the same settings, not matter the make and model of a speaker or subwoofer?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I'm confused on what your getting at. Are you saying, never ever make any adjustments, and everyone should have the same settings, not matter the make and model of a speaker or subwoofer?

From what I've been told, the LFE channel (before adding any bass managed speaker information) is a discrete channel, like any other channel, but contains only information from 120hz and lower. That's apparently an industry standard. Most of the bass information is usually much lower than that point, but there could occasionally be a little something there.

If you have all of your speakers cutoff at 80hz in bass management, then that is just 'layered' over the original LFE sound, so in that case, the only thing you would hear between 80hz and 120hz would be the discrete LFE information, if their was anything there.

Edit: I originally learned of this from Big Daddy. My old Sony receiver didn't even have an option to adjust a LPF on the LFE, but my new Onkyo does.

[Travis]

You have gad some time to get used to the AVR and get it calibrated. How is it now?

[frogmort]

If you set all of your speakers to large, there would be no bass management happening, right? The sound coming from the subs would only be the discrete .1 channel, which contains information up to 120hz. If you cutoff the LFE channel lower than 120hz, that information is discarded.

I'm not trying to be a jackass, I'm just trying to be helpful, plus I'm a little high on life right now.

As many receivers as there are that have this option, and as confusing as it seems to be, I think a Big Daddy sticky wouldn't be a bad idea.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by frogmort

If you set all of your speakers to large, there would be no bass management happening, right? The sound coming from the subs would only be the discrete .1 channel, which contains information up to 120hz. If you cutoff the LFE channel lower than 120hz, that information is discarded.

I'm not trying to be a jackass, I'm just trying to be helpful, plus I'm a little high on life right now.

As many receivers as there are that have this option, and as confusing as it seems to be, I think a Big Daddy sticky wouldn't be a bad idea.

huh? Where in the heck you get that from?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Travis

You have had(sic) some time to get used to the AVR and get it calibrated. How is it now?

I had to update the firmware in my receiver in order to pass 24p through it, but now that's fixed.

Tonight I fired it up, and after a while I noticed the bass didn't seem loud enough. I checked my subs, and one was turned off! I turned it on. A few minutes later, the bass still didn't seem right. The one that I just turned on stopped working again! I started checking the connections, and found out it was shorting out where it was plugged into the receiver!

It was just a bad sub cable.

I can't even begin to describe how much better it sounds, but I'll try.

It's so much cleaner, dynamic, dimensional, and balanced. Not a trace of distortion like I got from my Sony, that's the best thing. It also has a built-in SPL meter for matching the gain on the subs. Having my subs at exactly the same level is so much more balanced than me 'earballing' them. That combined with what Audyssey did to the subs is amazing. My subs are more balanced and deep than I thought possible, and also seem to 'point' to themselves a lot less than they used to. The room seems to sound bigger too.

In summation,

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by HAMP

huh? Where in the heck you get that from?

I just thought I should've used more emoticons.

[spaceape]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I had to update the firmware in my receiver in order to pass 24p through it, but now that's fixed.

Tonight I fired it up, and after a while I noticed the bass didn't seem loud enough. I checked my subs, and one was turned off! I turned it on. A few minutes later, the bass still didn't seem right. The one that I just turned on stopped working again! I started checking the connections, and found out it was shorting out where it was plugged into the receiver!

It was just a bad sub cable.

I can't even begin to describe how much better it sounds, but I'll try.

It's so much cleaner, dynamic, dimensional, and balanced. Not a trace of distortion like I got from my Sony, that's the best thing. It also has a built-in SPL meter for matching the gain on the subs. Having my subs at exactly the same level is so much more balanced than me 'earballing' them. That combined with what Audyssey did to the subs is amazing. My subs are more balanced and deep than I thought possible, and also seem to 'point' to themselves a lot less than they used to. The room seems to sound bigger too.

In summation,

[DangeRuss]

Good Morning AKA RIBBIT !!!

How's everything on your pad now ?

[HAMP]

Got a vid for you, but if you have a weak stomach, don't watch it. Actually, I'm a little surprised this kind of video was on that site.

http://www.keepbusy.net/play.php?id=...explodes-early

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by spaceape

That's hilarious, the Kool-Aid Man is going to kill everyone!

Originally Posted by DangeRuss

Good Morning AKA RIBBIT !!!

How's everything on your pad now ?

Good Afternoon Russ.

It took me two days to get my setup working right, but now everything is great. Last night I started off with Stanley Clarke and Friends - Live at the Greek CD. I played around with the different modes like Pure, Stereo, and some surround modes too. Then I watched Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense, David Gilmour - Remember That Night, and Rush - Time Machine.

Last night was concert night, so tonight will be movie night. I'm going to finish off the last two episodes of Band of Brothers(really great show so far), then probably an action or sci-fi movie or two. Something with great sound for sure. I might even throw on the train crash scene from Super 8.

The only thing I've changed after running Audyssey is raising the crossovers of the front and center speakers from 40hz to 70hz. I will probably compare 70hz to 80hz tonight to see which sounds better. I'm really amazed at the clarity, and the overall soundfield seems much more three-dimensional and engulfing. At one point last night, I turned it up to reference level for just about 30 seconds, and it still sounded completely clean and clear with no harshness, clipping, compression, or distortion like I would get from my Sony at that level, but damn was it loud! From the three concert BDs I watched last night, it seems like -12db~-14db is a nice robust but comfortable level.

With my old Sony receiver, I had my BA sub gain set at about 1:00 and my AA sub set at about 2:30. When I ran the sub level balancing test, it had me set them both around 9:00 to achieve 72db from each, so I was expecting them to be much, much quieter, but they really don't seem to be, for some reason. They blend so much better with each other, and with the other speakers than before, and their overall response is so incredibly smooth and deep. It honestly sounds like I upgraded my subwoofers.

So far, the two major improvements that I've noticed is the overall clarity all around, but especially in the center channel, and the smoothness and depth of my subs. I can also feel them a lot more now than I did before.

[spaceape]

Im so glad on your behalf Joe.

Remember too check out the blurays titles you're about too see here on the site. This way you can be sure to get reference source quality.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by HAMP

Got a vid for you, but if you have a weak stomach, don't watch it. Actually, I'm a little surprised this kind of video was on that site.

http://www.keepbusy.net/play.php?id=...explodes-early

Nah, I could watch a surgery while eating. It takes a hell of a lot to gross me out!


Wow, that is pretty hard core though. Poor little dumbass.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by spaceape

Im so glad on your behalf Joe.

Remember too check out the blurays titles you're about too see here on the site. This way you can be sure to get reference source quality.

Thanks buddy.

Over the last couple of years, I've read practically every review on this site, and I'm very familiar with the crazy good ones. From my collection, I would say some of my favorites for audio quality are:

The Dark Knight
Fight Club(mid-air collision)
Hellboy II
Hot Fuzz
How to Train Your Dragon
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man I & II
The Lord of the Rings: Extended Edition
Master and Commander
Pirates of the Caribbean(all)
Saving Private Ryan
Serenity
Star Trek('09)
Star Wars: Episodes I & II (I know, I know)
Sunshine
Super 8
Terminator Salvation
Toy Story II(intro)
Tron Legacy
U-571
War of the Worlds
X2: X-Men United(the others are very good too)

In order to keep that list from getting way too long, I actually left quite a few other choices out. If I had to pick the absolute best two, I would say War of the Worlds and Saving Private Ryan(both Spielberg films).

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Nah, I could watch a surgery while eating. It takes a hell of a lot to gross me out!


Wow, that is pretty hard core though. Poor little dumbass.

I figured something like that, but I had to put in that disclaimer. You gotta admit, that scream was a little disturbing.

I thought it might have been fake, but did you notice, he almost blew off his knees also?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I figured something like that, but I had to put in that disclaimer. You gotta admit, that scream was a little disturbing.

I thought it might have been fake, but did you notice, he almost blew off his knees also?

I just watched it again a couple of times, full screen this time. I didn't notice his knees the first time, but I did now. His hand reminds me of this:

[Show spoiler]

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I just watched it again a couple of times, full screen this time. I didn't notice his knees the first time, but I did now. His hand reminds me of this:

[Show spoiler]

I need to be smacked, because I laughed..

[darkpoet25]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Thanks buddy.

Over the last couple of years, I've read practically every review on this site, and I'm very familiar with the crazy good ones. From my collection, I would say some of my favorites for audio quality are:

The Dark Knight
Fight Club(mid-air collision)
Hellboy II
Hot Fuzz
How to Train Your Dragon
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man I & II
The Lord of the Rings: Extended Edition
Master and Commander
Pirates of the Caribbean(all)
Saving Private Ryan
Serenity
Star Trek('09)
Star Wars: Episodes I & II (I know, I know)
Sunshine
Super 8
Terminator Salvation
Toy Story II(intro)
Tron Legacy
U-571
War of the Worlds
X2: X-Men United(the others are very good too)

In order to keep that list from getting way too long, I actually left quite a few other choices out. If I had to pick the absolute best two, I would say War of the Worlds and Saving Private Ryan(both Spielberg films).

Another Spielberg film you can't go wrong with is Close Encounters. The bass when the ships start appearing is awesome. Another good scene is in Hanna, where they arrive at the house and the Chemical Brothers' music is playing. Lol I thought my Velodyne was going to bite the big one.