Titanic 4K UHD (1997)

[stvn1974]

"I'm King Of The...."

Some of you are really picky. You either have to get all of the dialogue but with A.I. weirdness or you get a great picture but with missing lines. Some of you just complain and complain some more. Jeezus.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No, just the regular UK UHD. Was the first to report that the "this way!" missing line is actually there on the 2.0

And yes, I think the UHD is verr naice. The AI has its troubles with trying to define anything when presented with typical 24fps/180 degree shutter motion blur, but apart from that it's just stunningly detailed. Helps that the source was shot to within an inch of its life to begin with and was then remastered in 4K, all things that give the AI something to latch on to, and it's got a thin layer of noise relaid over which helps to break it up and stop it looking too waxy. Only the barest shred of extra highlight information vs the SDR as far as the "HDR" is concerned, but with a nice little boost of brightness pushed through it the image still "pops" (ugh) without looking too nuked.

Is "This way" missing on the Atmos track? Because it's there on my UK copy.

Can't remember where, but I read something years ago from either a director or cinematographer who commented that he was amazed at how Cameron was able to get such high-quality theatrical prints from Super 35 material. I guess it just goes to show that he and his team knew what they were doing on the technical side of things.

And of course this makes me wonder why he felt the need to use this AI processing on material where the information needed for a proper 4K presentation was already there. I get using it on the first Avatar, as that was an actual upscale, but for the others... seems a bit unnecesary.

[Bolty]

I bought the standard version of the USA release.

The "let's go, Rose"and the "this way" are both missing from the Atmos and 2.0 tracks. The "let's go.", Rose is in the captions the other line is not because the captions are favoring the dialog from the minister giving last rites.

The two missing lines ARE in the Spanish and French soundtracks and on the 5.1 English descriptive soundtrack.

They got lost when remixing for Atmos in the USA release. Maybe they caught it before it went to the worldwide release.

How about the Deluxe set.....does the deluxe set with disc art have the lines?

[stvn1974]

Has anyone who redeemed the digital copy from the UHD checked to see if the missing lines are there?

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Bolty

I'll be annoyed if the Deluxe set has those lines.

I joked a while back that I was angered about the deluxe set having disc art and that to get back at them I was going to... order the deluxe set, swap discs out and return the deluxe set.
Some folks gave me a thumbs up for the idea!
Now if the deluxe set discs include the missing lines -- I'm going to wish I actually did it!

$h!+, I just noticed the UK standard edition has the version with disc art! So maybe, the versions that have the disc art are a different batch that is not missing the dialog...

Someone with the USA Deluxe version with disc art should check their disc and see if only the standard black discs are missing the dialog -- or if all USA discs are defective.

Are we looking at a replacement program?

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Bolty

I don't think enough folks are up in arms and I don't think it would be an easy sell to Fox/paramount.

"There are 5268 lines of dialog in the movie -- two missing lines do not constitute a defect." LOL.

Sad, but true.

That actually reminded me of Beauty and the Beast (1991). We’ll never have a non-3D corrected disc.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Just checked on paramount plus -- both lines are clear as day!

That's right folks, you want the best, most accurate experience -- watch it on a stream! -- you know, where they fix a defect with the push of a button.

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Just checked on paramount plus -- both lines are clear as day!

That's right folks, you want the best, most accurate experience -- watch it on a stream! -- you know, where they fix a defect with the push of a button.

I’d rather live with the defect, thank you so much.

Won’t be easy, of course, but I’ll cope.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by BNex99

Is "This way" missing on the Atmos track? Because it's there on my UK copy.

Can't remember where, but I read something years ago from either a director or cinematographer who commented that he was amazed at how Cameron was able to get such high-quality theatrical prints from Super 35 material. I guess it just goes to show that he and his team knew what they were doing on the technical side of things.

And of course this makes me wonder why he felt the need to use this AI processing on material where the information needed for a proper 4K presentation was already there. I get using it on the first Avatar, as that was an actual upscale, but for the others... seems a bit unnecesary.

Are you running an actual Atmos setup? I don't, and I aks because I can get the "this way!" line from the DD 5.1 embed on the UK UHD but not from the lossless 7.1 track (mixed down into 5.1 PCM).

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Bolty

I've got my own little conspiracy theory.
They pressed the discs with the black artwork and discovered the soundtrack error and then pressed the corrected discs with art and put those in the deluxe sets -- leaving the defective discs to go into the standard sets.

There are 458 owners on this site with the deluxe set who can prove my theory wrong -- anybody want to check it out?

They saved the better discs for the cardboard edition, so they’ll get scratched easier.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Bernardo A.

They saved the better discs for the cardboard edition, so they’ll get scratched easier.

I know you are joking but there is some idiot on the studio board making millions of dollars to come to that decision.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bolty

I've got my own little conspiracy theory.
They pressed the discs with the black artwork and discovered the soundtrack error and then pressed the corrected discs with art and put those in the deluxe sets -- leaving the defective discs to go into the standard sets.

There are 458 owners on this site with the deluxe set who can prove my theory wrong -- anybody want to check it out?



I am. But also no sound from the 2.0. Is the 2.0 a fold down of the Atmos?

We're talking about the UK UHD Bolty, not the US Paramount one. But yes, the 2.0 is just a downmix of the Atmos, hence the lines being missing from both tracks on the US UHD.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Are you running an actual Atmos setup? I don't, and I aks because I can get the "this way!" line from the DD 5.1 embed on the UK UHD but not from the lossless 7.1 track (mixed down into 5.1 PCM).

Not Atmos, but I'm able to read the lossless 7.1.

I can also switch to secondary audio and get the 5.1 embed. The line is there on both.

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I know you are joking but there is some idiot on the studio board making millions of dollars to come to that decision.

Whenever I buy a cardboard edition, I also buy a regular one for good measure (cardboards should be banned, but that’s a subject for another thread).

If that’s the case, I’ll swap the discs when I get the standard edition. Just waiting for a sweet deal, not willing to pay an inflated price for Titanic again (the gift-set is nice but way overpriced at 130 USD).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by BNex99

Not Atmos, but I'm able to read the lossless 7.1.

I can also switch to secondary audio and get the 5.1 embed. The line is there on both.

The line is gone on my UK copy when decoding the lossless 7.1. Weird huh?

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The line is gone on my UK copy when decoding the lossless 7.1. Weird huh?

Weird indeed. But I just checked it again, and it's definitely there on mine.

[samuelkhan999]

Originally Posted by Bernardo A.

Sad, but true.

That actually reminded me of Beauty and the Beast (1991). We’ll never have a non-3D corrected disc.

What was the issue with BaTB?

[Count Orlok]

On the audio issues, Bill Hunt has mentioned it to Paramount. He's waiting on their response.



They should fix the Swedish subtitles in the Southampton scenes while they're at it. The player generated captions just aren't the same.
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[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by samuelkhan999

What was the issue with BaTB?

The shot at the end of "Something There" (when Mrs. Potts says "I'll tell you when you're older.") originally had Belle and the Beast by the fireplace in the background.

For the so-called Special Edition, that shot and the one right before it were flipped around, so the characters were on opposite sides of the frame, and the background of the wide shot was now the hallway, with Lumiere closing the door.

On both Blu-rays, whether you play the theatrical film or the "Special Edition", it plays the Theatrical of the first shot, and the Special Edition version of the second. Somehow, the Special Edition shot got baked into whatever master Disney uses for distribution of the Theatrical Version, as it's like that on TV broadcasts and digital versions. On the UHD, which has only the theatrical version, the mistake has been kept. The 3D version has the correct shot. So, all non-3D Blu-ray versions have been affected.

Small thing, but pretty easy to notice and fix.

Maybe if the Special Edition hadn't been made back in 2002 in the first place, the error would not have occurred at all.

[moviebuff75]

Are you all talking about the same lines I am? When the bust through the gate, Leo is supposed to say "Ok, Let's Go!" And then the shot changes and he says, "Let's Go, Rose" and the other guy punches the guard. These are the missing lines.
Is the U.K. version corrected?
How about the streaming?