(BOOK SPOILERS) Game of Thrones Series Discussion for Book Readers

[kernel_thai]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

On that note, I've heard the question asked elsewhere - why is it necessary to have Sansa be the carrier of the poison? Would Lady Olenna herself not have been able to carry the stone on her person?

my guess...The only reason would be if the Tyrells had been led to believe Sansa would blamed and then be caught with more of the poison on her. It is possible LF led them down the garden path even tho he was always intending for Sansa to escape. I could see the Tyrells be just as interested in assuring the Stark/Lannister union didnt produce an heir which worked out anyway.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by kernel_thai

my guess...The only reason would be if the Tyrells had been led to believe Sansa would blamed and then be caught with more of the poison on her. It is possible LF led them down the garden path even tho he was always intending for Sansa to escape. I could see the Tyrells be just as interested in assuring the Stark/Lannister union didnt produce an heir which worked out anyway.

If that's so...that certainly makes the Queen of Thorns even more cold hearted than I once thought.

[kernel_thai]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

If that's so...that certainly makes the Queen of Thorns even more cold hearted than I once thought.

Well its a little different in the books because their only interest in Sansa was to marry Willis...in the show they decided to pal up to her more. If I remember right, after her secret wedding to Tyrion, the Tyrells have nothing to do with her.

[jayembee]

Here's an amusing piece that my wife came across.

[The Lizard King]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Here's an amusing piece that my wife came across.

TLK

[Edword]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Here's an amusing piece that my wife came across.

Sounds like all the people who refuse to read this until it's aired.

[jokerzwild]

I have been needing a lore fix and have been browsing the awoiaf.westeros wiki, some good stuff in there. Alot of connections I have forgotten or missed in my readings.

[djkest]

If you are ever looking to kill some time, read the page on Robert's Rebellion and branch out from there. It's really a fascinating story.

Which almost makes me think they could do a half season or so of "flashbacks" or a prequel season or something. How epic would that be?

[frogmort]

I just found this kind of weird and kind of funny gif: Edit: I just realized it was part of three gifs:

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[kernel_thai]

Originally Posted by djkest

If you are ever looking to kill some time, read the page on Robert's Rebellion and branch out from there. It's really a fascinating story.

Which almost makes me think they could do a half season or so of "flashbacks" or a prequel season or something. How epic would that be?

And it makes u wonder how the show is going to fill in this important information that they have mostly avoided so far.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by kernel_thai

And it makes u wonder how the show is going to fill in this important information that they have mostly avoided so far.

If it becomes necessary, the most obvious option seems to be Bran's visions.

[kernel_thai]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

If it becomes necessary, the most obvious option seems to be Bran's visions.

Im not really sure why that would be the preferred method over flashback tho u may be correct. Speaking of Bran's visions I see they repeated the vision Dany had of snow falling on the iron throne. I guess if I wanted to be cryptic u say it's an image of Snow on the iron throne

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I'm not a book purist by any means, but that was a pretty big difference in the Jaime/Cersei sept scene...

Seems counterproductive to his redemption arc, no?

Edit: On further reflection, maybe I'm recalling Jaime's book arc with rose tinted glasses. Though the sept scene doesn't quite unfold like this in the book, Jaime himself is not exactly Mr. Good Guy. It's just that we start to see him from his own perspective. The show, by contrast, has portrayed him as more honorable (particularly in S3). The scene tonight effectively demonstrates that this is still the guy who pushed Bran out the window.

Regardless, really creepy and disturbing stuff.

[Kevinicus]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

I'm not a book purist by any means, but that was a pretty big difference in the Jaime/Cersei sept scene...

Seems counterproductive to his redemption arc, no?

I did think it made it almost seem like he was raping her.

[kernel_thai]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

I'm not a book purist by any means, but that was a pretty big difference in the Jaime/Cersei sept scene...

Seems counterproductive to his redemption arc, no?

No body likes an easy redemption

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by kernel_thai

No body likes an easy redemption

Yeah, I edited my post to add more thoughts. This is the guy who through Bran out the window, after all.

[kernel_thai]

They seemed to have improved the black cells since Ned was down there.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

On further reflection, maybe I'm recalling Jaime's book arc with rose tinted glasses. Though the sept scene doesn't quite unfold like this in the book, Jaime himself is not exactly Mr. Good Guy. It's just that we start to see him from his own perspective. The show, by contrast, has portrayed him as more honorable (particularly in S3). The scene tonight effectively demonstrates that this is still the guy who pushed Bran out the window.

I think they're making it easier for him to side with Tyrion against Cersei and Tywin.

[Witch King of Angmar]

One of my favorite characters in the series is a rapist now.

[Edword]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

I'm not a book purist by any means, but that was a pretty big difference in the Jaime/Cersei sept scene...

Seems counterproductive to his redemption arc, no?

Edit: On further reflection, maybe I'm recalling Jaime's book arc with rose tinted glasses. Though the sept scene doesn't quite unfold like this in the book, Jaime himself is not exactly Mr. Good Guy. It's just that we start to see him from his own perspective. The show, by contrast, has portrayed him as more honorable (particularly in S3). The scene tonight effectively demonstrates that this is still the guy who pushed Bran out the window.

Regardless, really creepy and disturbing stuff.

Didn't that scene happen after Tywin's death in the book? I knew it happened after a death, but couldn't remember which one.

Originally Posted by kernel_thai

They seemed to have improved the black cells since Ned was down there.

There's even light down there!

And they are really dragging out Daenery's story here. (I get why, but still) If you're only going to show her for a few minutes, why bother. Seemed silly on how much screen time she got considering the title of the episode seemed to be related to her.