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Old 03-06-2018, 05:17 AM   #561
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Sad, but completely unexpected, to see so much hate for The Lost World. I liken it to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom: a much-maligned first follow-up that tends to get the short end of the stick for a variety of reasons with no real consensus other than "it's inferior to the original." Some people complain about the script, some people complain about certain characters, some people bemoan Ian Malcolm returning as the lead rather than Alan Grant, some people hate the idea of a second island, some people hate that the movie is a loose adaptation of an already flawed novel, some people hate the San Diego ending, and many, many, MANY people hate the gymnastics scene, as if a few seconds out of a two hour movie sinks the whole thing (seriously, frog monsters that were genetically engineered with DNA that is millions of years old doesn't strike anyone as suspect, yet a girl kicking a damn animal out of a window does?)

For me, The Lost World (barring some amazing shift in quality with Fallen Kingdom or JW3) will always be the best sequel to the original film. Firstly, I appreciate that, like Temple of Doom, it had the audacity to be different. I love the dark tone and somewhat cynical atmosphere (some say it's a reflection of Malcolm being the lead rather than Grant); I love the inexplicable coniferous forest on a tropical island (no doubt another decision with the intent to make this film look different from its predecessor); I love the action scenes, many of which have gone on to become iconic (the roundup, the destruction of the trailers, the long grass, San Diego, etc.); I especially love the score by John Williams, the only JP sequel score thus far that has had the balls to not rely on the original themes like a crutch. TLW also contributes more to the overall mythology of the series than any of the other films have, save the original, which is probably why Malcolm once again returns in Fallen Kingdom and the images in the trailers seem to echo so much of the second film's iconography.

Again, The Lost World is an innately flawed film, but I'll be damned if I don't love it to death. It's unfortunate that time has not rehabilitated its reputation amongst fanboys like it has Temple of Doom (of course, the latter had quite a bit of help from the warm reception that Kingdom of the Crystal Skull garnered). (Side note: given that Indy and Jurassic share similar fanbases, it never ceases to amaze me that no one is bothered by the characters in ToD surviving a drop out of an airplane with nothing but a life raft, yet a teenager using gymnastics to kick an animal is "ridiculous.")

For me, Jurassic Park III is weak. It's entertaining, but it's such bare meat and potatoes that it feels overly calculated. I get the sense that Alan Grant was only included to add some interest to the threadbare broken family story, as he really isn't necessary for the plot. That he channels Malcolm's bitterness rather than the cheery, if awkward, paleontologist from the first film bothers me. There's also another lucky pack, as if the redundancies concerning the "character who visited Jurassic Park is now curmudgeonly about it" wasn't enough. JPIII is also where all of the franchise's continuity errors start cropping up, what with many of the dinosaurs featuring new designs, the foliage of Isla Sorna suddenly becoming tropical, and the Pteranodon's being locked in a cage rather than free like at the end of TLW. I'm fully aware of all of the fan theories that attempt to explain these discrepancies, but the fact that they needed to be explained to begin with is the problem.

Also, nobody's going to convince me that there's a single person who sat through the first film that wanted to see Alan and Ellie NOT continue on as a couple, nor is anyone going to convince me that anybody thought it worked out for the better in this film. Ellie's appearance is even more worthless than Alan's, and her having a husband other than Dr. Grant serves zero purpose. It would have been just as easy to have Alan and Ellie married in this film, yet the fans are deprived of that obvious story beat. Why?

Much has also been made of the Spinosaurus in the film. As depicted, the creature is such a cartoonish villain that the viral marketing for Fallen Kingdom has seen fit to retroactively explain its appearance in the third film. Whether any of that material actually makes it into the fifth film remains to be seen (and the more details I read, the less faith I have that it will actually come up in the final film, given that marketing of this nature is usually intended to fill in gaps that aren't covered by the film itself). The new raptors are also ridiculous. It's one thing to portray an animal as an otherworldly intelligence; it's another thing to portray that animal as having potential to "be the dominant species of the planet." Even ignoring the real-world version of the animal that claim is nonsense. The velociraptors aren't xenomorphs, they're dinosaurs. None of the creatures in JPIII behave like animals as in the first two films, they're just movie monsters, plain and simple. The third film is the only one of the four I'd call a B-movie, and to me Jurassic Park is better than that.

But what about the plot? There's nothing to it; compared to the other three films, JPIII feels like an episode of some TV show where a group of people get lost on the island each week and have to find a way off. There's zero overall impact on the greater mythology of the JP universe in this film, save for a few of the new elements concerning certain dinosaurs. Let's compare influence: Fallen Kingdom is obviously cribbing from The Lost World, and Jurassic World even had a few homages to the film (the boat pan revealing the island, the central theme briefly appearing as Blue rushes to attack the Indominus Rex), whereas the only obvious reference to JPIII thus far in the new films is the Spinosaurus skeleton that's destroyed by Rexy. That about sums it up, I'd say.

Even then, I don't hate the film, and I'll give it points over the fourth for at least having some of its own personality. I like all of the films to an extent (the first two are my favorite films of all-time, while the latter two are entertaining distractions), but I tend to flip-flop on which is my least favorite. Jurassic World is too indebted to the original film to function as its own animal, and the cheap nostalgia only makes this reality more apparent. It has some great action, but it also has some dino-sized plot holes. So do the other films, in all fairness, but they're more glaring in a functional park context. The plot also doesn't flow particularly well from the end of the third film to the beginning of the fourth. Some flashbacks to the beginning of this new park would have helped a lot, methinks.

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Sorry for the ramble, I figured I'd just vomit out out a few of my opinions. I kind of like how no two people seem to share feelings on the sequels. It can make for some interesting debate.


I really like Lost World too and I could care less what anyone thinks. Taste is subjective and while we can all disagree, who cares? If I'm the only one in the world that likes it, I'll be that person 100%. When I grab this 4K set I'll be enjoying 1 & 2 back to back night one!
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Old 03-06-2018, 08:36 AM   #562
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I haven't seen Jurassic Park: Lost World since it first came out in the cinema here in the UK, but I absolu-frigging-lutely loved it, gymnastics girl and all. 1 and 2 are great.
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Old 03-06-2018, 08:49 AM   #563
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As someone who adores Temple of Doom, I hate this comparison with Lost World. Lost World is mediocre and silly at best. Temple of Doom is a great adventure, worthy of two other classic Indy movies.
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Old 03-06-2018, 09:06 AM   #564
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Big fan of Lost World myself. Unquestionably flawed but it has its own flavour and a tremendous score. The long grass and trailer over the cliff scenes always get the praise. Yet for me, the standout sequence was always Peter Stormare’s encounter with the compy dinosaurs - that’s a Spielberg classic.
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Old 03-06-2018, 10:49 AM   #565
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I'm a not a massive Indy fan (sorrynotsorry), but I like Temple of Doom a lot and think it's the best of the four.
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Old 03-06-2018, 10:56 AM   #566
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So i guess i might be the only person that loves all 4 jurassic park movies. Also hoping the 4k version gets the 2011 transfer or at leasts fix the 2013 coloring.
You're not the only one, we are many who love all four JP films.

Reading page after page after page about how someone just looooooooves Jurassic Park but couldn't give a toss about Lost World, or how only 1 and 4 are "real" JP movies.... It's like an argument between five year olds about who has got the biggest and coolest and most flashy toy car, only with slightly better and longer arguments

Hope they remaster the original, since that one suffers the most on blu-ray. And that we eventually will get individual releases.
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Old 03-06-2018, 10:57 AM   #567
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The Lost World is my least favorite of the first three, but it has a great main theme by Williams and some of the best sequences in the series (InGen's arrival, long grass, etc,).

And it's still miles better than Jurassic World too.
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Old 03-06-2018, 10:58 AM   #568
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You're not the only one, we are many who love all four JP films.

Reading page after page after page about how someone just looooooooves Jurassic Park but couldn't give a toss about Lost World, or how only 1 and 4 are "real" JP movies.... It's like an argument between five year olds about who has got the biggest and coolest and most flashy toy car, only with slightly better and longer arguments

Hope they remaster the original, since that one suffers the most on blu-ray. And that we eventually will get individual releases.
Hey, I'm still buying 'em all so that gives me enough wiggle room to bitterly complain about how shit Lost World is
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Old 03-06-2018, 11:45 AM   #569
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All this talk about TOD vs. TLW reminds me that I've always wanted to see an Indy flick with a "lost world" type setting, involving dinosaurs and other prehistoric beasties. Could be mucho fun.

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The Lost World is my least favorite of the first three, but it has a great main theme by Williams and some of the best sequences in the series (InGen's arrival, long grass, etc,).

And it's still miles better than Jurassic World too.
I love the entire score in its tribal, percussive glory. It would have been so easy for Williams to get away with just rehashing his work on JP, but he went in a very different direction, with the iconic theme from the first film being used sparingly. I appreciate that.
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I like The Lost World well enough. I liked it a lot more as a kid, but I still like it for what it is.

As much as I hate to say it, reading the Lost World book a few years ago made me like it a bit less (and I’m one of those people who hates “well it wasn’t exactly like the book!” as a complaint). The thing is... it’s pretty much completely different from the book.

Why did they go to the trouble of asking Crichton to write a sequel so they could make a movie out of it, if they were just going to completely change most of it?

On the flip-side, reading the books made me appreciate JPIII more because a lot of things from the books made it into that movie, so I thought that was pretty cool.
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I wish the US was getting such beautiful cover art, but it's unlikely because studios don't trust the audience.
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I wish the US was getting such beautiful cover art, but it's unlikely because studios don't trust the audience.


What does trust of the audience have to do with which cover art is used?
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Back on topic of Jurassic. I enjoyed lost world until the Rex escaped into California. It felt very over the top and added on for sake of it.

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I wish the US was getting such beautiful cover art, but it's unlikely because studios don't trust the audience.
I know art is subjective but how can anyone prefer these new logos over the original logos for the films, including the Spinosaur logo for JP3?
There is no greater disrespect to the original creators of a product than retroactively altering that piece of art. As an artist myself, I cannot accept these modified logos at all. But that's probably just me.
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People can complain about Lost World all they want but it has the best scene of the entire series: the one where the trailer goes off the cliff.

The second best being the velociraptor hide and seek game in the first movie.
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The scene with the cracking glass is a classic for sure.
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People can complain about Lost World all they want but it has the best scene of the entire series: the one where the trailer goes off the cliff.

The second best being the velociraptor hide and seek game in the first movie.
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All this talk about TOD vs. TLW reminds me that I've always wanted to see an Indy flick with a "lost world" type setting, involving dinosaurs and other prehistoric beasties. Could be mucho fun.
Supposedly one of the original ideas during ToD's development was Indy finding a lost valley with dinosaurs in it or something to that effect. And the similarities between ToD and TLW keep on rolling in

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As someone who adores Temple of Doom, I hate this comparison with Lost World. Lost World is mediocre and silly at best. Temple of Doom is a great adventure, worthy of two other classic Indy movies.
As someone who adores The Lost World, I hate that there's post after post crapping all over the film. But it doesn't OFFEND me, it's simply opinions of other movie buffs. It's a bit silly to me that anyone would clutch their pearls at an assertion that two films have a lot in common (and ToD and TLW do have a lot in common). To me and many other JP fans, The Lost World is a great adventure and worthy of the first classic film. Forgive me if I just don't see the problem with drawing parallels between two adventure films that I find to be similar. It's not like the quality (or perceived lack thereof) of one detracts from the other when they're in proximity.
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As someone who adores The Lost World, I hate that there's post after post crapping all over the film. But it doesn't OFFEND me, it's simply opinions of other movie buffs. It's a bit silly to me that anyone would clutch their pearls at an assertion that two films have a lot in common (and ToD and TLW do have a lot in common). To me and many other JP fans, The Lost World is a great adventure and worthy of the first classic film. Forgive me if I just don't see the problem with drawing parallels between two adventure films that I find to be similar. It's not like the quality (or perceived lack thereof) of one detracts from the other when they're in proximity.
oh emm jee everyone is soOOoo offended that you like TLW.
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