Damn X-Men 3 is Grainy. most scenes looks stunning but the grainy scenes damn

[CasualKiller]

Originally Posted by dgator783

People still dont understand....

We understand just fine, natural grain is a great thing, not this fabricated artificial crap they smear all over movies....

[Travis]

Originally Posted by tbizzle

damn I just watched this the other day, I didn't really even notice the grain

Me too.

[Dotpattern]

Hey, this was a reply on your other thread. This will help you out a lot!

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...34#post2054734

The THX calibration tool can be found on a ton of DVDs including all 6 Star Wars and all 3 Indiana Jones DVDs. Basically on any THX certified DVD, and I think they're included on those movies regardless of region.

I'm not sure about the regions on Ratatouille, Cars and A Bug's Life, but there is a calibration tool on each of those Blu-rays as well. I think all 3 of those movies have been released worldwide.

Oh, and no, once you calibrate your TV, you don't have to calibrate it for each movie. I calibrated mine using the Ratatouille Blu-ray, and haven't had to mess with it since.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by greatfoxmusic

Do you seriously think grain is noise? Educate yourself man.

"Film grain
The grain of photographic film is a signal-dependent noise, related to shot noise.[11] That is, if film grains are uniformly distributed (equal number per area), and if each grain has an equal and independent probability of developing to a dark silver grain after absorbing photons, then the number of such dark grains in an area will be random with a binomial distribution; in areas where the probability is low, this distribution will be close to the classic Poisson distribution of shot noise; nevertheless a simple Gaussian distribution is often used as an accurate enough model.[7]

Film grain is usually regarded as a nearly isotropic (non-oriented) noise source, and is made worse by the distribution of silver halide grains in the film also being random." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_noise

I know wikipedia is not a definitive source, but I believe many people feel grain is noise that is part of film. Grain has been discussed to death, it is up their with religion and politics now. Everyone seems to have very different views, like grain, hate grain, or don't care about graion, like believers, atheists, agnostics. Heavy Metal is noise to some people too, it's music to others. Can't account for taste.

Telling someone to educate themselves on what the find visually appealing or appalling is getting a little rude. I can take grain but I don't like it, I know what is it, but I still don't like it.

[mredman]

sadly ratatouille has only been released in the states and its locked. But i can see Cars has been released overseas. hopefully it will have the calibration tool on the overseas blu also and is it located on the main menu or something like that

By the way i got indy and this movie looks teriffic but i don't see a calibration tool on that one anywhere. Kind of weird that you have to calibrate your tv i thought you just had to pop the movies in and everything was pwerfect i guess not for some Blus

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by mredman

Where is this so called PS3 noise remove located?

also here is a pic i found. if this is not grainy i don't know what is. And there is also many reviewers saying it is really grainy so either some people doesn't mind the grain or a going a little blind
http://media.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray...hot-lrg-07.png
http://media.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray...hot-lrg-11.png

A grain riddled screencap can still look great in motion.

After all, these are motion pictures we are talking about here.

But even then, those caps aren't that bad.

Originally Posted by mredman

But are you really supossed to change the setting everytime for different movies i find that hard to believe

No, your sharpness setting should always be set to off, especially when viewing 1080p material.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by mredman

sadly ratatouille has only been released in the states and its locked. But i can see Cars has been released overseas. hopefully it will have the calibration tool on the overseas blu also and is it located on the main menu or something like that

By the way i got indy and this movie looks teriffic but i don't see a calibration tool on that one anywhere. Kind of weird that you have to calibrate your tv i thought you just had to pop the movies in and everything was pwerfect i guess not for some Blus

my bad ratatouille has been released overseas

[RiseDarthVader]

I'm glad that you've come around and learned from other users information. Just found it odd that your an Expert Member yet didn't know about film grain. Anyway read this page: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html

[MarekM]

Originally Posted by mredman

sadly ratatouille has only been released in the states and its locked. But i can see Cars has been released overseas. hopefully it will have the calibration tool on the overseas blu also and is it located on the main menu or something like that

By the way i got indy and this movie looks teriffic but i don't see a calibration tool on that one anywhere. Kind of weird that you have to calibrate your tv i thought you just had to pop the movies in and everything was pwerfect i guess not for some Blus

Weird ?, TV is set with some basic factory setttings, and each TV have to be calibrated, or do you thing that you will get perfectly calibrated TV out of box ??? come on.......

I have european edition of INDY DVD trilogy, and there is a THX calibration on disc. same as on STAR WARS dvd's

Mare

[SlmShdy1]

Some TV's do come calibrated out of the box (but not for your room).

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

OH my God!!

Somebody give me mod status already...can we please start screening the new guys!!!

I prefer we let anyone in, and then try to help them solve their problems and/or educate them about what grain is (as opposed to telling them their opinion about disliking grain "is wrong").

Crazy, I know.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

OH my God!!

Somebody give me mod status already...can we please start screening the new guys!!!

Amen to that.

[Valkyr47]

I have a sony bravia, which came shipped with the sharpness setting on 15 out of 20

i have it on 12 right now

ive noticed that if i drop it down to 0, it DOES blur out the fine details like pores, stubble, etc

so i would have to agree with the person who asked what the point of buying an hdtv/blu-ray player is if your going to blur out all the fine details

[Spiderbri]

man, why is it that people that like/love grain have the brass ____s to think they know better?

Just because it's inherent to certain recording film doens't mean it's great. It's just there. if you like it fine, if you don't fine. I personally hate grain. I can ignore it in most scenes. I only seem to notice it when one color is predominant in the scene. like shots with 50% sky or a solid colored wall. Then I see the little squiggles more than in a standard scene.

But I've never said people that like it are stupid or uneducated. you can tell me all the crap about "artistic choice" and 35mm film till your Blu ( ) in the face I'm still not going to like it. your "education" means nothing because it's really just opinion. and opinions aren't not right or wrong. so seriously ease up on people, specificly new posters, who don't like it. your not better than them.

annoyed rant over

[Valkyr47]

another thing that strikes me as odd is the level of grain in such a bright scene (i havent personally watched x3)

most movies i watch, i notice the grain really intensifies during night time scenes or scenes with low/difficult lighting

perfect example - Taken

looks ridiculously amazing during daytime shots, but the parts at night (like when he is talking to prostitute outside) are pretty grainy

grain doesnt bother me though, it did at first because i wasnt used to HD, now that i know its how its supposed to look, i accept it

but ill admit i do rewatch pixar and digitally shot blu-rays a lot when having people over, i find most people are more impressed by the setup when a non grainy film is on display (pixar movies, sin city, condemned, etc)

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Spiderbri

man, why is it that people that like/love grain have the brass ____s to think they know better?

Comes across as very snobbish, doesn't it? They forget that, at one time, they were just like others here: they weren't "educated" about grain, either. No one comes out of the womb knowing everything about film.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by dgator783

People still dont understand....

i think its because people are so use to dvds lack of detail[grain],the detail in blu-ray including grain,well they don't know what to think.i'll say it again grain is part of film and any film based movie will show grain with blu-ray.you can't remove it all with dnr or you start to lose detail in faces and back ground etc.

i think the studios should give us bds as they are [raw] where grain is present.id rather have grain with lots of detail then a movie like patton with to much dnr.btw for you grain haters if you don't like grain your tv has a dnr setting, go there and pick high,med or low and enjoy,but for people that don't mind grain get off the grain kick or get another hobby.just think if they go 2060p and maybe mpeg6 what do you think is going to happen with pq.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Comes across as very snobbish, doesn't it? They forget that, at one time, they were just like others here: they weren't "educated" about grain, either. No one comes out of the womb knowing everything about film.

but for awhile the studios were listening to grain haters and it shows with patton and other titles.thanks to bill hunt and others its going the other way.i think in the future we may see less grain because of digital cameras and hd cameras will become common in hollywood.but even with hd you can add grain in post production.

[tvine2000]

the thing is i never hear grain haters that saw a movie in the local movie house complain about grain,what up with that?

the other thing is you can't have detail with grain removed,they both have to be there. as a another poster said you have to get use to hd its a different animal.

[Spiderbri]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

but for awhile the studios were listening to grain haters and it shows with patton and other titles.thanks to bill hunt and others its going the other way.i think in the future we may see less grain because of digital cameras and hd cameras will become common in hollywood.but even with hd you can add grain in post production.

and therein lies the problem. If grain can be added later that is what us grain haters...well hate. If it's natural to the medium being used thats one thing. I still don't like it but it's part of certain film stock. fine.

But when they add it thats when I get upset. if it's not in there then don't put it in. yeah, yeah it's "the directors vision" and all that crap. but seriously I've said it before, grain on a wild west movie doesn't make it more enjoyable or more authentic. It just makes it more grainy. but once again it's all just opinion the directors OPINION that it looks better. it doesn't mean it does look better.

I think a lot of grain lovers are falling for the old "emperors new cloths" thing. They say they love it because they think it makes them look more cultured or smarter since the all powerful director put it in. What about the writer? what was his/her vision when they wrote it? Maybe they never imagined it looking grainy for effect. I would think the writers opinion is more valid than the directors.

anyway whatever. I just think all the "educated reasons" behind grain are still largly opinion. I don't know. I'd just like to see more tolerance on these forums for different opinions. Like I said I don't agree but I've never considered someone that like grain stupid because of it. (they may be stupid but it has nothing to do with grain )

heh later.