Valve

[Hedchekr]

Originally Posted by pBLU-RAYs3

Soooooooo, when will valve games going to show up on the ps3, like 2012, 6 years after ps3's launch. Maybe 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017?

I can't believe left 4 dead 2 will appear a year later. If you think 10 hours is short, try 3-4 on co-op than games ends abruptly,No thanks, I've learned my lesson. I'll wait until this sequel hits $20 used. It was fun the 1st time I played through with AI as here is where you can take your time but the AI was severly flawed but the moment you go online than........

You assault my eyes and my brain with your bad grammar.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper

yes we do. but, we dont need Valve...

No we don't. The market is oversarurated.

[Hedchekr]

Originally Posted by gamma626

No we don't. The market is oversarurated.

While its true there is alot of FPSs not all of them are good. L4D is a awesome game and I would like to see it come to the PS3. I would probaly still own it on the 360 but, I know alot of people here would enjoy it.

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by Hedchekr

You assault my eyes and my brain with your bad grammar.

Mikey

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by kotsedriver

I'm just saying that Valve did their part on reshaping the genre, by giving us revolutionary shooters such as HL2 and Portal. Yes, I'd give credit to those who have built the foundations of the FPS, since Doom and Wolfenstein 3D actually paved the road and then passed the torch to Free Radical (Now Crytek UK, maker of GoldenEye) and Valve to continue paving the road for the genre to survive.

Goldeneye was made by Rareware, long before CryTek was a glimmer in the Yerli's eyes.

HL2 (including its Ep 1 & 2) is a good game, but isn't really what I'd call "revolutionary". It does some neat things with in-game storytelling and a fairly capable engine but not very much beyond that. Valve did try very hard to make it so - they pushed their Source engine as middleware for the next generation of FPS games, but the industry did not bite, and instead moved on to Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3.

Portal, Team Fortress 2, and Left 4 Dead are all excellent products in their own right, and I've nothing bad to say about any of them, but the level of innovation isn't really any higher than other good FPS developers (Bungie, Epic, id, etc.)

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by Icemage

Goldeneye was made by Rareware, long before CryTek was a glimmer in the Yerli's eyes.

HL2 (including its Ep 1 & 2) is a good game, but isn't really what I'd call "revolutionary". It does some neat things with in-game storytelling and a fairly capable engine but not very much beyond that. Valve did try very hard to make it so - they pushed their Source engine as middleware for the next generation of FPS games, but the industry did not bite, and instead moved on to Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3.

Portal, Team Fortress 2, and Left 4 Dead are all excellent products in their own right, and I've nothing bad to say about any of them, but the level of innovation isn't really any higher than other good FPS developers (Bungie, Epic, id, etc.)

Well, in Half-Life 2, the gameplay shows you that you can fully interact with the objects around you; pick them up, throw it at one of the Combine soldiers, or just use them as projectiles with the gravity gun. That's called innovation and interactivity, and that's smart thinking for Valve.

Mikey

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by kotsedriver

Well, in Half-Life 2, the gameplay shows you that you can fully interact with the objects around you; pick them up, throw it at one of the Combine soldiers, or just use them as projectiles with the gravity gun. That's called innovation and interactivity, and that's smart thinking for Valve.

Mikey

Oh, the Gravity Gun is a neat toy and a fascinating mechanic. But there's not exactly a preponderance of games out there that suddenly have gravity guns (the closest rivals being the telekinesis power in Star Wars: The Force Unleashed), so again - great and interesting games, yes. Trend-setting, no.

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by Icemage

Oh, the Gravity Gun is a neat toy and a fascinating mechanic. But there's not exactly a preponderance of games out there that suddenly have gravity guns (the closest rivals being the telekinesis power in Star Wars: The Force Unleashed), so again - great and interesting games, yes. Trend-setting, no.

We're talking about first-person shooters here, not third-person action games. Until Half-Life 2, you can't pick up objects and use them as projectiles in FPS's. That's why it's revolutionary.

Mikey

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Hedchekr

You assault my eyes and my brain with your bad grammar.

Translation:

Valve won't release anything on PS3 for the next 3 to 8 years minimum.
If you think 10hours of gameplay is short, L4D was a staggering 3-4 hours.
It is therefore not worth the price of a full game, and he will wait that the sequel hits the $20 bargain bin before making the same mistake (aka buying it).

I happen to share his opinion btw.

HL1 was revolutionary.

HL 2 was a logic step forward, and Portal a very refreshing surprise.

L4D is a scam, with good multiplayer, and L4D 2 is likely to follow in the same vein.
Only worth it on PC at discounted price imo, waiting for a decent -full- game aka a HL3 or so (not HL2 episode 3, which is content for HL2. Waiting for it impatiently this being said -on pc-).

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by kotsedriver

We're talking about first-person shooters here, not third-person action games. Until Half-Life 2, you can't pick up objects and use them as projectiles in FPS's. That's why it's revolutionary.

Mikey

Unless you know of another game that features the same mechanic, then it remains the only game where you can do so. Hence why I said it's not trend-setting.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by Icemage

Unless you know of another game that features the same mechanic, then it remains the only game where you can do so. Hence why I said it's not trend-setting.

Telekinesis from Bioshock?

[BillCable]

The Force Unleashed, you could toss all sorts of stuff around...

[Terjyn]

It's hard to claim that any similar power in the star wars universe came from Valve though, as the movies had the power 20 years before Half-Life 2 did.

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

Telekinesis from Bioshock?

Bioshock was released three years after Half-Life 2 was released, so that doesn't count.

Mikey

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by kotsedriver

Bioshock was released three years after Half-Life 2 was released, so that doesn't count.

Mikey

Uhh, I was using Bioshock as an example game that came *after* Half-Life 2.

[BillCable]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

It's hard to claim that any similar power in the star wars universe came from Valve though, as the movies had the power 20 years before Half-Life 2 did.

Yeah, but the games didn't. Not that I recall, anyway. I know in Dark Forces II you could electrocute people, but I can't remember if you could lift and throw objects at them.

[Hedchekr]

You had the telekinesis powers in Dead Space as well.

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Translation:

Valve won't release anything on PS3 for the next 3 to 8 years minimum.
If you think 10hours of gameplay is short, L4D was a staggering 3-4 hours.
It is therefore not worth the price of a full game, and he will wait that the sequel hits the $20 bargain bin before making the same mistake (aka buying it).

I happen to share his opinion btw.

HL1 was revolutionary.

HL 2 was a logic step forward, and Portal a very refreshing surprise.

L4D is a scam, with good multiplayer, and L4D 2 is likely to follow in the same vein.
Only worth it on PC at discounted price imo, waiting for a decent -full- game aka a HL3 or so (not HL2 episode 3, which is content for HL2. Waiting for it impatiently this being said -on pc-).

First off nice translation. Second Left 4 Dead is a online multiplayer co-op game first, single player second. It can be said that it is short and a scam, but it pretty much has limitless replayability.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by BillCable

Yeah, but the games didn't. Not that I recall, anyway. I know in Dark Forces II you could electrocute people, but I can't remember if you could lift and throw objects at them.

The Star Wars Jedi Knight games had "Pull" and "Throw" as Jedi Powers, which are the same concept if held back technically. /shrug

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by Hedchekr

Second Left 4 Dead is a online multiplayer co-op game first, single player second. It can be said that it is short and a scam, but it pretty much has limitless replayability.

Speaking for myself I got bored very quickly with online play. Versus could have saved it but I never found a game where people were playing "Legit" and not doing blatantly broken things. By the time Valve released a patch that fixed most of it I was disinterested in going back to try it again, so it may be better now.

I do feel Left 4 Dead 2 shouldn't exist, it should be one of the patches Valve promised for L4D1 which never actually showed up.

[pBLU-RAYs3]

The problem with L4D are:
1) lack of teamwork
2) lack of mic usage
3) more lack of teamwork

Your experience goes to abysmal when playing random online, teamwork is the glue that holds your life in the balance or you can enjoy the game over screen.