Apple cant hang with Microsoft?

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't mac's still the computer of choice for graphic design, photography, etc?

Not always, its basically users choice now. I personally use Adobe Audtition 3 over most music programs, and my DAW programs are all windows aps also. Photoshop is the premire photo ap, and Gimp is a great freeware ap. In video production - Final Cut is still the major one, but Adobe CS series is not far behind. We stopped using Macs when the hardware would break (no OS problems) and we needed exact duplicates to replace them with. It was easier to get a dedicated PC and be able to service our own machines. We now have 2 Macs that do nothing at all (with Final Cut Pro on them). We now use the Adobe suite (primary) with Ulead and Vegas as other options. We haven't looked back since.

[prerich]

P.S. Let me add this clause - many DJ's use Apples, but the software is not Apple unique. Like I said in my previous post - it's user preference.

[mikejet]

Apple:
Graphic design
Sound engineering/DJ/production
Movies

PC:
Networks
Office work
Games

That's how I break it down.

If you need and affordable computer to play games or do general tasks, get a Windows based PC.

If you want to do high end editing for graphics, photography, sound, or movies, get a Mac.

[Kyo28]

Originally Posted by fireman325

Yes I have noticed that. I get a kick out of it sometimes, but it seems like every computer I've seen in a TV show or movie for months now has been a Mac.

On second thought, I think there's one exception, and that's NCIS..

In a lot of cases, brands pay TV-show and movie creators to use their products in their TV-show or movie. It's called 'product placement'.

For example, every notebook you'll see in a Sony movie will be a Viao.

Personally, I don't think anything is wrong with that and I don't let it influence me as a consumer.

[Footloose301]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Yes but isn't fair to say that the reason these issues are more prevelant on PC is because of the fact that there are far more PC users out there than there are Mac users? Isn't safe to assume that if there were as many Mac users in the world as there are PC users, you would hear about more problems such as this with Mac?

True, there are more PC users out there. But Apple is gaining ground. We all know that the majority of movies out there feature Macs throughout, but I have personally noticed many more people adopting Apple. I work for Comcast(yeah, I know HA HA!), but in the last couple years I've noticed that nearly 1 out of every 5 homes has an Apple computer, compared to when I started with Comcast and probably 1 out of 20 homes had an Apple computer, and less shocking is that probably 4 out of 5 homes have an Apple device(iPod/iPhone/etc).

However, I think the reasoning behind more people having PCs than Macs is because of price. Not only that, but my highschool, years ago, had nothing but Dell computers because they were donated to the school by Dell. I don't believe Apple does a lot of donating and many schools get their computers this way. Also, for an office building it makes much more sense to buy mass quantities of PCs as it does Macs because of price.

Lastly, even though there are many more PCs than Apples, I honestly don't believe that has anything to do with the suggestion "People write viruses for PCs because there are more PC users than Macs". Those scumbags probably just find it to be an easier platform to hack.

[dadkins]

[dadkins]

Some of us have certain needs from our computers.
I am no exception.
For what I want/need my computer(s) to do, there are only a select few machines that can deliver - and none of them are Macs.

I need portable entertainment machines with certain abilities.
TV - most brands can deliver this, Macs included.
Games - PCs excel in this arena but Macs can deliver some.
DVD - any machine with a DVD drive can do this.
Blu-ray - PCs are it. *NO* Mac has ever come equipped with a BD drive let alone has the ability to playback a BD OTB from the factory.

When I go shopping for a new machine, price is irrelevant.
I look for HW/display/abilities
For the last 4 times I went shopping for a new machine, Macs were looked at... as were HP, Dell, Gateway, and Sony.

Seems it is either coincidence or fate, but Macs never live up to their PC counterparts.
After all things are considered, I choose the best available to me.
You can see two of them in my SIG(both are BD enabled machines).

Maybe... when I go looking for my next machine, Apple may come closer or even be considered.
As it stands, at this point in time, Apple cannot deliver what *I* need from a laptop.

As with most things, YMMV.

[toef]

Originally Posted by prerich

Well at $900.00 I could buy a better PC (and really build a better PC - with that budget I could go crazy!) than I could buy a Mac off the shelf. Especially when it comes down to using BD with a Mac, I would have to buy the Windows OS anyway because Mac doesn't have an offering that plays BD's without having Windows installed via Bootcamp. I actually like the commercials - alls fair in love and war. Even the nasty people that write viruses are starting to pay more attention to Mac's - I wonder if its because they say they are immune? If I was a hacker - nothing would inspire me more than to break something that says it can't be broken. Just my 2 cents

I'm not saying PC's are bad, I'm just saying the commercials are deceiving. I get that the point is that Macs are expensive, but by offering to buy a computer for the person, the commercials are nudging people into getting a PC, whether they'd prefer a Mac or not.

That's the only part of the commercial I think is bad. If MS wanted to make commercials about how expensive Macs are, I see nothing wrong with that.

Nobody ever said Macs are immune, so I doubt that's what's keeping the hackers at bay. The reason people don't waste their time writing Mac viruses is because it's still a very small % of computer users, and hackers would rather go after as many people/businesses as possible.

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by toefer

I'm not saying PC's are bad, I'm just saying the commercials are deceiving. I get that the point is that Macs are expensive, but by offering to buy a computer for the person, the commercials are nudging people into getting a PC, whether they'd prefer a Mac or not.

That's the only part of the commercial I think is bad. If MS wanted to make commercials about how expensive Macs are, I see nothing wrong with that.

Nobody ever said Macs are immune, so I doubt that's what's keeping the hackers at bay. The reason people don't waste their time writing Mac viruses is because it's still a very small % of computer users, and hackers would rather go after as many people/businesses as possible.

The commercials state that the person(s) are looking for certain things within a budget and if they can find it, they can keep it.
Since they are obvious Microsoft commercials, what do you expect to happen?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by toefer

Like other people, I actually have both (I have a Mac desktop, and a PC desktop and laptop).

I do have both. And unlike most of the Mac fanboys I actually develop software for both. Therefore, I view comps for more than just gaming.

Originally Posted by toefer

And who cares if the Mac OS is built off of Unix? Am I supposed to care?

Like I said, Apple's double standards, consequently Apple fans got the same. So, we should be all upset, or at least cae about Appl whining that Windows is copying their UI features here and there, but they copy whole OS, that's not really something U should care I personally don't give a damn, it is Apple zealots who keep constantly whining about that.

Originally Posted by toefer

And no, I don't have any spyware issues on the Mac.

Good for you! I've been mainly PC since 1989 and never hada single virus. Does that make PCs virus free?

Originally Posted by toefer

And no, I don't have Apple pushing updates down on me. Something tells me you haven't used a Mac in years, but you still hate it for some reason, as if it stole your lunch money.

Well, that thing of yours is telling U wrong. Sadly, I work on it(Mac) pretty much daily for more than a year.
And updates are coming at least every 2-3 day. I dunno what exactly do you mean U don't get them.

And I do hate Apple policies. Starting from the fact that just to view the online documentation I have to log on to Apple dev site.

[brettallica]

Yeah, but which is better — plasma or LCD?

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by brettallica

Yeah, but which is better — plasma or LCD?

Direct Retina Insertion!

[toef]

Originally Posted by dadkins

The commercials state that the person(s) are looking for certain things within a budget and if they can find it, they can keep it.
Since they are obvious Microsoft commercials, what do you expect to happen?

True, but don't you find it odd that the commercial is about computers, even though MS doesn't make computers? In one commercial, the girl chose a PC over a MacBook, because the MacBook only had 2gb of RAM. Really? Whether it's a PC or Mac, RAM shouldn't be a selling point, because it's one of the few things you can easily upgrade on a laptop, and it's incredibly cheap.

~~~

Sometimes it's better to control everything, and sometimes its not.

When Sony got touchy about licensing out the Beta technology, the system failed. But with Apple not licensing out the iPhone OS, they can ensure that it will likely never be matched by another phone, because people can develop things around a single phone. Android is going to be a pain to develop for if it's run on 1,000 different kinds of phones (with different screen sizes, button layouts, etc).

I'd say computers are somewhere in the middle.

I agree that Macs are expensive, but I also think you get what you pay for (all Macs come bundled with software, so that at least explains some of the difference). I also agree that Apple can be a bit smug at times, like when Steve Jobs said "We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk, and our DNA won't let us ship that." Even though it's true, it rubs people the wrong way. When you add in economies of scale, and the insane amount of money Apple spends on R&D, you realize there's a reason behind the prices, and it's not because Apple wants to charge a premium for "perceived coolness".

[BRu-LAy]

Don't forget......Macs are good for when you want to cool using it Starbucks

I'm not stereotyping.....I'm just calling it like it I see people

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by toefer

...and the insane amount of money Apple spends on R&D,

Despite of all that money, even today, something as simple as "maximize window" button on Mac OS doesn't work as its name suggests, in some apps it does maximize a window, in others it does make it some unspecified size. Inconsistent to say the least, illogical to me, but I've had arguments with Mac fans who seriously believe, or try to convince others that it is debatable whether or not "Maximize button" should actually maximize!?!
So, what's next, close button shouldn't actually close the window, but do something funny?
That and inability to resize window from any side. Jeezzz... I have to move mouse over to right bottom corner exactly to resize it. Talk about convenient UI... Especially when UR on the laptop.

Originally Posted by toefer

you realize there's a reason behind the prices, and it's not because Apple wants to charge a premium for "perceived coolness".

Yes, I do realize the reason behind those prices, and Steve Jobs openly said that they(apple) don't want to support the product with less than 20% profit margin or even more. So, please, don't try to portray them as charity and R&D driven company. They're in it for money (nothing wrong with that), just greedier than others and whatever they do isn't helping much overall progress of comp. industry.

So, yeah, I really don't mind apple charging more for the same hardware. It's the user's choice after all. If Apple can convince their fanboys that intel CPUs works faster and more reliably when stuffed in the box with Apple logo on it, more power to them
I do have problems with their policies, problems the create for developers and overall smugness.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

I love to read it when mac and pc people tell everyone that theirs is the best...

[prerich]

Originally Posted by toefer

I'm not saying PC's are bad, I'm just saying the commercials are deceiving. I get that the point is that Macs are expensive, but by offering to buy a computer for the person, the commercials are nudging people into getting a PC, whether they'd prefer a Mac or not.

That's the only part of the commercial I think is bad. If MS wanted to make commercials about how expensive Macs are, I see nothing wrong with that.

Nobody ever said Macs are immune, so I doubt that's what's keeping the hackers at bay. The reason people don't waste their time writing Mac viruses is because it's still a very small % of computer users, and hackers would rather go after as many people/businesses as possible.

I see what you are saying - I wonder if they give them the option of buying a Mac instead?

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by toefer

I agree that Macs are expensive, but I also think you get what you pay for (all Macs come bundled with software, so that at least explains some of the difference). I also agree that Apple can be a bit smug at times, like when Steve Jobs said "We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk, and our DNA won't let us ship that." Even though it's true, it rubs people the wrong way. When you add in economies of scale, and the insane amount of money Apple spends on R&D, you realize there's a reason behind the prices, and it's not because Apple wants to charge a premium for "perceived coolness".

Yeah, when I asked for one based on friends reviews I was skeptical going in knowing I could have gotten the 2950 or what ever or the mac for christmas but now spending time with the OS and how the net runs on them I feel like its worth the price * not sure if the less expensive macs run the same but from what I can tell if you just don't want to deal with vista and in some cases XP, then macs are well worth the price.

Simply put if you have the income to get the mac it really works flawlessly, My alienware pc (and those are WAY overpriced ) will spank it and a mac desktop hard in spec's but it all comes down to what you need in a computer blu-ray/ gaming power, or best specs for your money buy PC, just flawless easy as pie interface mac.

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by toefer

True, but don't you find it odd that the commercial is about computers, even though MS doesn't make computers? In one commercial, the girl chose a PC over a MacBook, because the MacBook only had 2gb of RAM. Really? Whether it's a PC or Mac, RAM shouldn't be a selling point, because it's one of the few things you can easily upgrade on a laptop, and it's incredibly cheap.

If you were to rewatch that commercial, regardless of what amount of ram it had, it still was not what she was looking for.
Most people, unlike you or I, just want what they want and are not inclined to remove a screw or two to upgrade - anything.

Even though I can easily replace SODIMMs, when looking at a new computer on display, all things HAVE TO be considered and factored into the bottom line(Out The Door Price).

Questions for you:
How many different manufacturers make - Macs?
How many different manufacturers make - PCs?

Yes, technically a Mac is a PC, but you should get the point here...

Now, what are the prices of the different machines?
Ok, now... of those PCs, what OS comes pre-installed on them?

When all is said and done, PCs give you more "Bang-For-Buck".
Plus, so far, every machine in these commercials has been a laptop.
When comparing spec for spec vs price, the PC is the choice most people will make.

Looking at getting a new laptop myself(yes ANOTHER laptop!).
Macs are - lacking - for what *I* want out of a machine.
So, do you really expect me to buy a Mac when it cannot deliver what *I* want from a machine?
... and pay more for it?

Not going to happen!
This same scenario applies to most people that are shopping for a new laptop.

[Bigdog]

Originally Posted by dadkins

The commercials state that the person(s) are looking for certain things within a budget and if they can find it, they can keep it.
Since they are obvious Microsoft commercials, what do you expect to happen?

Actually what makes it obvious is they give them a 1,000 dollar limit, unless your buying a iphone or ipod your not buying anything else apple with a grand. Their 1,000 dollar laptops are jokes, comparable to a 300 dollar net surfer you would get with a pc.

Really the only difference between a apple and a pc these days is the o/s. The new windows closes the gap almost completely, apple knows this which is why they are crying at this time!