"Pixar is Socially Conservative" What do you think?

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

Gotcha, I thought it was something else.

lol I do confuse people. sorry about that.

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by Lord_Stewie

lol I do confuse people. sorry about that.

Sometimes I see red, where I shouldn't have.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

Sometimes I see red, where I shouldn't have.

I re read what I wrote then realized how you could perceive it as a negative. I am just glad I cleared it out.

[Q?]

Originally Posted by Lord_Stewie

lol I do confuse people. sorry about that.

Damn troublemaker!

[Briscogun]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

I can assure you that a Pixar film about a single-parent raccoon struggling to raise her gender-confused pup while hiding from her abusive possum ex would NOT do well at the box office.

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Wasnt she from a mixed marriage? I'd see it.

I've got movie titles for this epic running through my head already:

Bandit Barriers
Breaking Badgers (get it?)

I know there are some pretty creative folks in here...

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Q!

Damn troublemaker!

is that your new favorite smiley for now.

[wallendo]

Originally Posted by Erik E. Erik

Bugs Life is not very conservative: its themes of unity for the greater good ... Plus, Ratatoulie is based in France, and conservatives hate anything French (it started WAY before Freedom Fries).

Actually Bug's Life is about a revolt against taxation.

In Ratatouille, the rats are the good guys and the French are the bad guys, although the French do surrender to the rat in the end.

Apolitical films can be spun in many directions.

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by Briscogun

I've got movie titles for this epic running through my head already:

Bandit Barriers
Breaking Badgers (get it?)

I know there are some pretty creative folks in here...

Originally Posted by wallendo

Actually Bug's Life is about a revolt against taxation.

In Ratatouille, the rats are the good guys and the French are the bad guys, although the French do surrender to the rat in the end.

Apolitical films can be spun in many directions.

Don't the French always surrender

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Briscogun

I've got movie titles for this epic running through my head already:

Bandit Barriers
Breaking Badgers (get it?)

I know there are some pretty creative folks in here...

Brokeback Badgers?

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by wallendo

Actually Bug's Life is about a revolt against taxation.

In Ratatouille, the rats are the good guys and the French are the bad guys, although the French do surrender to the rat in the end.

Apolitical films can be spun in many directions.

Arent they French rats though?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by wallendo

Apolitical films can be spun in many directions.

Given what we know about John Lasseter, think Pixar just does whatever it darn well pleases.
Would that Dreamworks had as much personal self-esteem.

(And sheesh, practically forgot about all those "Is Incredibles really Ayn Rand?" nonsense that was all over the websites back when columnists wanted to leech off the movie when it was still in theaters...
No telling HOW far back some columnists will dig.

[jono_0101]

Originally Posted by Lord_Stewie

He isn't and thats not what I understood. But he is opening the door to head toward that direction. This is what I am concerned about from his comment:


I do see his point of view but with the highlighted part its where I am concerned about.

Anyways, everyone's opinion is always welcome as long as its positive.

thats really the phrase i was referring to as well, thats not really an opinion about the movie, thats a political stereotype and it was moving towards being over the line, i think this is a good topic for conversation, and i dont want to see it locked prematurely by a mod erring on the side of caution (being conservative, maybe? )

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by jono_0101

thats really the phrase i was referring to as well, thats not really an opinion about the movie, thats a political stereotype and it was moving towards being over the line, i think this is a good topic for conversation, and i dont want to see it locked prematurely by a mod erring on the side of caution (being conservative, maybe? )

Thats what I thought you were talking about.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

I haven't seen all of this film, just caught bits and pieces on TV. So the movie has a family who wants to stick together? It's a family movie, it's no big surprise that it does well with families from the obvious character relations.

Preserving the family unit is not the "conservative" element in The Incredibles. One of the movie's themes is the repression of the talented individual in order to fit in with rest of the unwashed masses. Bob is a superman, but must resist the urge to use his special powers to help mankind, and work as a typical office drone. However, he can't stand to live this way, and it puts him at odds with his wife, who adapts to "normal" life much easier. This is where the comparison to Ayn Rand's Objectivism is made. (I really can't explain her philosophy too well, so I included a Wikipedia link.)

Ayn Rand wrote about such a talented individual in her novel "The Fountainhead," and the hero of that book encounters the same problems and has difficulty fitting in. Rand also believed that living your life according to your own self-interests was the only way to go; that the individual was more important than the group as a whole.

[Adhamhnon]

Objectivism is hardly conservatism. There are some aspects of objectivism I agree with and support, while in many aspects, conservatism is just as damaging to objectivism as liberalism is.

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

I'd refer to their mindset/output as wholesome.

I agree. Call it whatever you may, Pixar makes wholesome entertainment that can be enjoyed by all ages.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by Adhamhnon

Objectivism is hardly conservatism. There are some aspects of objectivism I agree with and support, while in many aspects, conservatism is just as damaging to objectivism as liberalism is.

I wasn't saying it was. I was just pointing out the reasons some critics think The Incredibles espouses the Objectivist viewpoint.

[Darkhawk9587]

Before I read the first post to the thread, I was a little confused. But, after reading the explanation and seeing what type of conservatism he is talking about, yes, I can see it in Pixar's films.