UK Considering Ban On Plasma HDTVs

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by BlueFan01

Clean??? How many decades do you have to stay away from an area with Nuke contamination? And how much of our underghround water supply will be contaminated??? Clean? sure.... it is..

So far no one has every died in the US from a Nuclear power plant. Nuclear power plants in the US are very safe. Only around 18%-20% of power in the US comes from Nuclear power. Around 80% of Frances power comes from Nuclear power and they also have a nuclear waste recycling program where they are able to reuse a portion of the waste.
If the global warming theory is correct then over the next 50 to 100 years it would be ideal to convert to 100% clean air power sources like Nuclear energy or future clean air technologies that can power entire cities.
I agree that companies should make consumer electronic products that are more energy efficient if the quality can be maintained. Sometimes it can be very challenging to design products that use less power while producing the same brightness level.
If the global warming theory is correct then the last thing we want to do is shut down Nuclear power plants. Doing so will just burn more fossil fuels to keep up with the growing electricity demands.
For those that like science fiction movies about global warming and new ice ages then “The Day After Tomorrow” is a must own movie on BLU-RAY. I currently own this movie on 1080I D-VHS and it is a really awesome movie. Movie is coming out on BLU-RAY OCT 2nd.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Day-After-Tomorrow-Blu-ray/dp/B000VDDWE2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-3535039-2219162?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1189584116&sr=8-2

[jbuttler007]

I doubt that plasma tv's are a high percentage of any amount of CO2

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I am surprised that in a forum where people are into home theater setups there is plenty of talk about banning plasma screens which produce a better picture quality compared to LCD’s.

The better picture quality is a matter of opinion. Plasmas look soft and fuzzy to me compared to LCDs.

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

It makes more since long term to convert to a clean energy system that does not burn fossil fuels. Currently Nuclear Energy is clean for the air and generates plenty of power for everyone.

I read somewhere that if we replaced all our current fossil fuel usage with nuclear fission, we would run out of uranium within 100 years. I don't know if it's actually true or not.

[Hussla]

I drove in the vicinity of a Nuclear power station in the south of France on the way to Bordeuax, as far as I can tell I haven't developed any serious illnesses or mutations.

Looks like most of France is in the same boat, as far as im concerned they have more REAL problems in that country.

[Snowgod]

So far no one has every died in the US from a Nuclear power plant. Nuclear power plants

That is not entirely correct. IF you are to be truthful, people have died from nuke plants and even too much radiation. It is the nuclear energy association that uses your quote but they are not the only people that run nuke plants.

[CptGreedle]

Looks like this is a debate that does not really belong in a Blu-ray forum to me.
I am all for thoughtful debate like this, but does it belong here?

Yes most of us agree Nuclear plants are not as safe as the Nuclear industry makes them out to be, but they do work and continue to power large percentages of people. However there are better, safer, and cheaper alternative sources of power. If in the unfortunate event a radiation leak was to occur, it would take decades to clean up. People in Chernobyl are still suffering from the after-effects. Often they have to measure the radiation in their food to prevent over exposure, still. Any technology that CAN do these things SHOULD seriously be reconsidered. That is why so many governments do not want to use it, but due to the relatively cheap and effective power it makes, many countries, like Japan, use this as their main power source.
It may be time to reconsider nuclear energy as a power source and find something that is safer and cheaper to use. Using less energy is the first step to lowering emissions and lowering dependance on power sources such as nuclear power plants.

Still, this sounds like a topic for a different forum to me...

[Uxi]

Banning them sounds ridiculous, but then I imagine it would be about as effective as their gun ban (IOW, not at all).

[buckshot]

scrontium 90 (a byproduct of nuclear facilities) is a cancer causing agent that is found in the bones of people who live in close proximity to nuclear facilities. it is put there by the body because its molecular structure is so close to calcium that the body is fooled into using it. and it stays there emiting cancer causing radiation leading to cancer and leukemia. look up the tooth fairy project for some info. that's why more research and development of fusion power.

anarcho syndicalism is the answer. small agrarian based communities living peacefully with each other and working collectively for a common goal. people just need to stop breeding so much. that way there are less people to buy plasma tvs. but then america's social security system will fall apart. hmmmmmm.

[haushausman]

Rear-Projection for LIFE!!!

More bang for your buck IMO.

[aristotles]

Buyer beware when looking at Plasmas.

I was in Futureshop today to buy a Shaw Digital HD Cable PVR/receiver and I noticed that not only were they selling those 1024X768 (stretched) HD ready plasmas but also some Plasmas that were being advertised as 1080p/HD ready with a native resolution of 1280X1080 (stretched).

Be sure to read the specs very carefully before you commit to a purchase.

There were some 1920X1080 plasmas as well but I find this trend to be disconcerting.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by aristotles

Buyer beware when looking at Plasmas.

I was in Futureshop today to buy a Shaw Digital HD Cable PVR/receiver and I noticed that not only were they selling those 1024X768 (stretched) HD ready plasmas but also some Plasmas that were being advertised as 1080p/HD ready with a native resolution of 1280X1080 (stretched).

Be sure to read the specs very carefully before you commit to a purchase.

There were some 1920X1080 plasmas as well but I find this trend to be disconcerting.

Yeah, I notice this trend as well. There is a link to a CNET review of the top 10 Plasmas or whatever. Not one of them is 1920x1080. All were 13XX something. Insane for the price they wanted for them.

[U4K61]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I was shocked to hear that the UK may force all retail stores and mail order stores from selling Plasma screens in an effort to reduce UK household CO2 emissions. I hope this Plasma ban does not happen in the United States or for people in the UK.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/ukplasma091007.htm

According to an article by Alan Hedge at Cornell University, LCDs use less power and save more energy than comparable CRT displays. When comparing a 15" LCD monitor with a 17" CRT monitor (which has an equal amount of viewing area), the LCD monitor used 55 watts less when operational (25 vs. 80) and 2 watts less when in standby (3 vs. 5). LCD screens also consume less power when returning from standby mode than CRTs.

"Modern society currently uses around 500 exajoules (1 EJ = 1018 J) of primary energy, 85% of which comes from fossil fuels." (Rembrandt, TOD)
Plasma TVs use more power then LCD. A CRT uses about 3x per square meter over LCD. However, a plasma or LCD TV is likely to be larger, so power consumption will still be higher.

TV Power Consumption per square inch
Microdisplay RP - 0.11 to 0.15
LCD - 0.16 to 0.41
CRT - 0.25 to 0.40
Plasma - 0.30 to 0.39
Average plasma - 338
Average LCD - 176
Data: MP3.com

The PS3 used 120-plus watts when we watched the movie... and though that’s less than the 150-watt draw generated during game play... A standard Sony Blu-ray player uses five times less power than the PS3. (New York Times, 5 November 2010)

A Sony PlayStation 3 or Microsoft Xbox 360 left on 24 hours per day, seven days per week will chew through as much electricity annually as two new refrigerators...introducing more user-friendly power management features, approximately 11 billion kWh of electricity could be saved per year. These features could also avoid over 7 million tons of CO2 emissions each year (Green Living Tips)


Game Console Power Consumption:
Wii - 16
Xbox 360 - 119
PS3 slim - 96
PS3 - 197
Data: cnet - The basice of TV power

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How much juce does it use? Get an AC clamp current meter with volt meter.
In the meantime, have we all changed to the new bulbs?

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Glossery

Joule: J = (Kg x M²)s² = N·m = W·s
J = the energy expended or work done in applying a force of 1 N through a distance of 1 m (1N·m).
J/3.6 million = kWh;
J/1055 = BTU or 9.48×10−4 BTU; J/1.356 = ft·lb;
1 MJ ≈ 0.28 kWh ≈ 0.37 HPh;


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[WickyWoo]

The CRT is virtually dead at retail

[clyon]

Originally Posted by Craig Ruchman

It would be intresting to know how much power a CRT uses per square meter over LCD. I think it is 3x as much. If they are going to attack plasma, what about the tube? I can't help but notice all the heat it throws off!!

In the meantime, have we all changed to the new bulbs?

Well just check mine.
Sony WD HD CRT 30" 220watts
Samsung WD HD LCD 32" 182watts

[Hussla]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Yeah, I notice this trend as well. There is a link to a CNET review of the top 10 Plasmas or whatever. Not one of them is 1920x1080. All were 13XX something. Insane for the price they wanted for them.

Resolution doesnt always guarantee a better picture.

I had a 1080p 42" LG LCD up against a Pioneer 42" which has a native res of 1024x768p

I was feeding both TV's 1080p24 from the same source...and guess which had the sharper more detailed picture? .... the Pioneer.

Resolution is only one thing but it isn't be all end all. The fact is after a certain distance the human eye has trouble distinguishing between 720 and 1080. It's only when you move into larger sizes and projection that the importance of high pixel counts cant be stressed.

At the end i'll still take a 1366x768 plasma over MANY of the LCD offerings any day, simple because the LCD's still seriously lack in many areas.

Plus with the new 1080p plasmas coming out the resolution argument is moot. I saw the new 1080p hitachi at a trade night a couple of months back, very impressive.

[U4K61]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The CRT is virtually dead at retail

The sooner the better. We have 4 HDTV's where I live - all DLP and LCD's. however, only 1 in 5 americans own an HDTV (so they say), the boob tube is still king for now because of all the old sets sold years ago. Admit it, how many of you still have the old clunker in a room or two?

[kotton247]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The CRT is virtually dead at retail

Your mean Thats what I could afford last summer and I enjoy my HD picture. However, In the next few months I will be upgrading to at least 60 inches of LCD viewing pleasure.

[WickyWoo]

I'm running a gorgeous 21" CRT monitor right now. Top of the line

There's nothing wrong with the picture here

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Hussla

Resolution doesnt always guarantee a better picture.

I had a 1080p 42" LG LCD up against a Pioneer 42" which has a native res of 1024x768p

I was feeding both TV's 1080p24 from the same source...and guess which had the sharper more detailed picture? .... the Pioneer.

Resolution is only one thing but it isn't be all end all. The fact is after a certain distance the human eye has trouble distinguishing between 720 and 1080. It's only when you move into larger sizes and projection that the importance of high pixel counts cant be stressed.

At the end i'll still take a 1366x768 plasma over MANY of the LCD offerings any day, simple because the LCD's still seriously lack in many areas.

Plus with the new 1080p plasmas coming out the resolution argument is moot. I saw the new 1080p hitachi at a trade night a couple of months back, very impressive.

I think a number of us with properly calibrated Sony LCD panel Bravias would disagree with you. I could easily tell the difference in a well lit store between full 1080p panels and the 1280X1080 Plasmas give that they were all being fed the same source. In fact, the obvious difference is what caused me to to look at the spec sheet to see why it looked so bad compared to the others. A harsh brightly lit environment is where you want to compare displays because not only will you see how bright they really are in less than ideal conditions but it will expose any display artifacts you might not see in a "theater" demo room.

An LG LCD is hardly a fair comparison with any plasma as they are notorious for poor colour reproduction. Take a look at the most recent Full 1080p LCD panels from the Sharp Aquos or the Sony Bravia line and you will see that the gap between plasma and LCD displays colour and black reproduction has all but disappeared.

My Display for example can adjust not only the contrast and brightness but also the black panel brightness. It also includes a number of dynamic colour processing filters to closely approximate what you might expect from a Plasma.

Resolution does matter and I can tell the difference between 1024X768 and 1280X786.

[kotton247]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

I'm running a gorgeous 21" CRT monitor right now. Top of the line

There's nothing wrong with the picture here

good to hear! Naw man CC had one on sale before I got my PS3 at launch. I wanted to have an HDTV for it and they had a 30 inch philips for $500 so I paid cash and got it. However, that took away my PS3 fund. So I traded in all my ps2 games and dvds. Got $900 credit for them and got my PS3, and 4 games on launch after all.