'John Carter 2'

[Batman1980]

I hope whoever bumped the thread knows how disappointed fans of the original are.

[BluBonnet]

Yeah these days Disney is throwing crazy money everywhere.

Wouldn't be surprised if they launched the Carter Cinematic Universe

[drb999]

I really liked the movie. Too bad it failed.

[Zivouhr]

The box office flop The Lone Ranger (2013) certainly didn’t help matters, but John Carter’s failure was the moment Disney became the servant of sure bets, and Hollywood realized star power was truly gone.
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A recent 2022 article about how Disney became much less daring with big budget films in relation to John Carter of 2012. 6 months after John Carter tanked in theaters compared to the insane $350 million budget, Disney bought Lucasfilm and Star Wars.



The 3D in John Carter of Mars (as it should've been titled instead of just John Carter, which is generic as heck), was medium to high medium layering at times, very nice but with some early conversion errors for that time, like the hair looking like blocks instead of fine hairs on the side of Lynn Collins face.

I was a fan of this film, and really hoped for a sequel, but after I saw opening weekend, I think I remember that Disney proclaimed what a huge box office disappointment John Carter was to them, forget any chance of a sequel immediately.

What is with Disney anyway? They did the same thing for Tron Legacy. Make this big announcement on opening weekend (probably for their investors) that the film underperformed in theaters and would be considered a loss. Even if it's true, don't tell that story until it's out of theaters. No better way to tell people not to go see a movie than the film's direct distributor to say it's a disappointment financially. They did that with Legend of Lone Ranger too.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

A recent 2022 article about how Disney became much less daring with big budget films in relation to John Carter of 2012. 6 months after John Carter tanked in theaters compared to the insane $350 million budget, Disney bought Lucasfilm and Star Wars.



The 3D in John Carter of Mars (as it should've been titled instead of just John Carter, which is generic as heck), was medium to high medium layering at times, very nice but with some early conversion errors for that time, like the hair looking like blocks instead of fine hairs on the side of Lynn Collins face.

I was a fan of this film, and really hoped for a sequel, but after I saw opening weekend, I think I remember that Disney proclaimed what a huge box office disappointment John Carter was to them, forget any chance of a sequel immediately.

What is with Disney anyway? They did the same thing for Tron Legacy. Make this big announcement on opening weekend (probably for their investors) that the film underperformed in theaters and would be considered a loss. Even if it's true, don't tell that story until it's out of theaters. No better way to tell people not to go see a movie than the film's direct distributor to say it's a disappointment financially. They did that with Legend of Lone Ranger too.

Do films whose title is just a character's name tend to do well? The only ones that come to mind offhand did not.

Seems to me that when you start seeing a $350 million price tag looming for your film, you call up Roger Corman for some cost cutting tips.

The casting of Edgar Rice Burrows in this was a pretty bad decision, down there with casting a Mark Zuckerberg doppleganger as Percy Jackson. I'm not saying that killed the film, but it did strike me as an "unforced error".

Even beyond the blase title, what I believe killed the film were the awful ads for it. The CGI and action looked so hokey, far below how the actual film looked. Who cut those commercials?

With Netflix spending tens and hundreds of millions on films nowadays, I'd love to see a strong 3D sequel of this.

Now that VFX studios are buckling under demand, costs could be saved by switching to practical effects (and native 3D). The lore would have to be compromised a tad as Netflix would mandate a rathwr comically racially-diverse Barsoom, but some Netflix directors have been able to work the diversity quota into the story so that it actually works "organically", so it would hopefully be just a small hurdle for Andrew Stanton and his team to do likewise.

[BloodshotUSA]

I'm surprised that Disney hasn't tried to reboot this as a Disney+ series. Or maybe some other streamer if Disney doesn't have the rights to it. I think John Carter is like an 11 book series. They could have quite a long running show that kind of source material.

Get a young actor like Lucas Till or Brenton Thwaites to play Carter.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Do films whose title is just a character's name tend to do well? The only ones that come to mind offhand did not.

Seems to me that when you start seeing a $350 million price tag looming for your film, you call up Roger Corman for some cost cutting tips.

The casting of Edgar Rice Burrows in this was a pretty bad decision, down there with casting a Mark Zuckerberg doppleganger as Percy Jackson. I'm not saying that killed the film, but it did strike me as an "unforced error".

Even beyond the blase title, what I believe killed the film were the awful ads for it. The CGI and action looked so hokey, far below how the actual film looked. Who cut those commercials?

With Netflix spending tens and hundreds of millions on films nowadays, I'd love to see a strong 3D sequel of this.

Now that VFX studios are buckling under demand, costs could be saved by switching to practical effects (and native 3D). The lore would have to be compromised a tad as Netflix would mandate a rathwr comically racially-diverse Barsoom, but some Netflix directors have been able to work the diversity quota into the story so that it actually works "organically", so it would hopefully be just a small hurdle for Andrew Stanton and his team to do likewise.

Even with a popular name like Indiana Jones, they first went with "Raiders of the Lost Ark", and only after the character was established, went with "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". If John Carter was a famous guy in history, that would be a different story, like "Abraham Lincoln", but John Carter of Mars would've at least been immediately more descriptive and exciting, agreed.

I do remember thinking that the first advertisements were mostly about the action, when it was the story that could've drawn in a lot more people. Only later do I remember the intricate story was highlighted better in later trailers, but by then it was already in theaters I think.

Netflix, I think they're allergic to any concept of 3D sadly.

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

I'm surprised that Disney hasn't tried to reboot this as a Disney+ series. Or maybe some other streamer if Disney doesn't have the rights to it. I think John Carter is like an 11 book series. They could have quite a long running show that kind of source material.

Get a young actor like Lucas Till or Brenton Thwaites to play Carter.

A TV series could be good, if they make it a lot more exciting than some of the low pulse Disney- shows they've been cranking out IMO.

[trekky76]

This is still a great movie and one of Disney's best IMO. But the last decade has shown, people just wanna go and rewatch the same characters in the same movies over and over again. This year alone is one big joke. Just the same old stories redone to death. It's Matrix, Scream, Thor, god knows which instalment of the Batman etc. I remember in my youth there was tons of diversity in the cinema any given year. Now it's just representation.
Anyway, I had hopes for a anniversary 4K release but they truly wanna bury this title for good it seems.

[Zivouhr]

I can imagine in the distant future, 50 years from now, someone with the rights will reboot the entire John Carter series written by Edgar Rice Burroughs, who inspired George Lucas with Star Wars in a few ways. Then again, maybe not. It's been awhile and the author had some controversy about his beliefs.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

I can imagine in the distant future, 50 years from now, someone with the rights will reboot the entire John Carter series written by Edgar Rice Burroughs, who inspired George Lucas with Star Wars in a few ways. Then again, maybe not. It's been awhile and the author had some controversy about his beliefs.

(When HP Lovecraft works get adapted, and Fantastic Beasts 3 got greenlit, I get the impression that Hollywood isn't really broken up over the beliefs of authors. )

I remember thar being flogged as a chief reason why JCarter bombed, because audiences saw it as ironically "derivative" of Star Wars and Avatar. That still doesn't seem like a reason to me as people love, or at least back then still loved, Star Wars and Avatar was a runaway hit. Even if JCarter were derivative of these movies it would still be different enough, and competently made, to slake the thirst for more SW and Avatar?

Would this have benefitted from one of those vintage "In a world..." type trailers? That could have gotten everyone up on the premise, without spoiling the plot.

Shoot, just marketing it as "The Outlaw Josey Wales...in spaaaaace" seems like it would have crushed the sad ad campaign that the movie had. A Clint Eastwood cameo would have been tight

[KubrickKurasawa]

John Carter back when Disney made Classics still.....Disney's last classic...

Originally Posted by trekky76

This is still a great movie and one of Disney's best IMO. But the last decade has shown, people just wanna go and rewatch the same characters in the same movies over and over again. This year alone is one big joke. Just the same old stories redone to death. It's Matrix, Scream, Thor, god knows which instalment of the Batman etc. I remember in my youth there was tons of diversity in the cinema any given year. Now it's just representation.
Anyway, I had hopes for a anniversary 4K release but they truly wanna bury this title for good it seems.

Yep don't forget Halloween, Chucky Season, and maybe another F&F? Maybe James Camerons Avatars? haha who cares!

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by trekky76

Anyway, I had hopes for a anniversary 4K release but they truly wanna bury this title for good it seems.

Same here. I would love to have this on 4K but it will probably never happen.

[levcore]

John Carter is one of my favourite sci fi adventure movies, I watch it in 3D several times a year, I love it. A 4K release would be fantastic.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

(When HP Lovecraft works get adapted, and Fantastic Beasts 3 got greenlit, I get the impression that Hollywood isn't really broken up over the beliefs of authors. )

I remember thar being flogged as a chief reason why JCarter bombed, because audiences saw it as ironically "derivative" of Star Wars and Avatar. That still doesn't seem like a reason to me as people love, or at least back then still loved, Star Wars and Avatar was a runaway hit. Even if JCarter were derivative of these movies it would still be different enough, and competently made, to slake the thirst for more SW and Avatar?

Would this have benefitted from one of those vintage "In a world..." type trailers? That could have gotten everyone up on the premise, without spoiling the plot.

Shoot, just marketing it as "The Outlaw Josey Wales...in spaaaaace" seems like it would have crushed the sad ad campaign that the movie had. A Clint Eastwood cameo would have been tight

Showcasing the story above the action could've helped, I agree. Better marketing makes a difference.

Originally Posted by levcore

John Carter is one of my favourite sci fi adventure movies, I watch it in 3D several times a year, I love it. A 4K release would be fantastic.

It's a fun movie and there are still real stakes if John doesn't succeed in his quest. Lynn Collins was hoping there would be another film, but audiences didn't connect enough with the trailer marketing back in 2012.

I saw it in theaters opening weekend in 3D and was glad to see it hit blu ray 3D back then. These days, Disney totally bailed out on blu ray 3D, yet still release 3D films in theaters sometimes.

[Gretiem]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I hope whoever bumped the thread knows how disappointed fans of the original are.

yup

[BloodshotUSA]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

A TV series could be good, if they make it a lot more exciting than some of the low pulse Disney- shows they've been cranking out IMO.

Yeah, I'd rather Disney not be the ones to do it but I'm not sure who owns The Princess of Mars series rights. Maybe its in the public domain?

Amazon or maybe even Apple would be better options for it. As long as they got someone who respected and was interested in the material like Stanton was.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

Yeah, I'd rather Disney not be the ones to do it but I'm not sure who owns The Princess of Mars series rights. Maybe its in the public domain?

Amazon or maybe even Apple would be better options for it. As long as they got someone who respected and was interested in the material like Stanton was.

Thanks BloodshotUSA. Hopefully a non D- daring distributor/studio will consider a John Carter series in the next few years to 10+ years more likely.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

Yeah, I'd rather Disney not be the ones to do it but I'm not sure who owns The Princess of Mars series rights. Maybe its in the public domain?

Amazon or maybe even Apple would be better options for it. As long as they got someone who respected and was interested in the material like Stanton was.

A Princess of Mars is Public Domain. John Carter is not.

[Underworld54]

One of the biggest box-office bombs in history and people are saying they got their hopes up after the thread gets bumped? My god!

[Underworld54]

It bombed partly because of the name, the name 'John Carter' has no hook. It mostly bombed though because it was boring.