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Old 03-20-2012, 08:47 PM   #41
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Of course sequels are coming for all of these films, but only Avatar can really claim 3D made a difference in box office.
Of course we can't say that 3D is the only reason that these films did well, but if all you care about is box office numbers, 3D films are here to stay.

List of top 10 highest-grossing films ever:
1 Avatar $2,782,275,172 2009 [# 1]
2 Titanic $1,843,201,268 1997 [# 2]
3 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 $1,328,111,219 2011 [# 3]
4 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,746,996 2011 [# 4]
5 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119,929,521 2003 [# 5]
6 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $1,066,179,725 2006 [# 6]
7 Toy Story 3 $1,063,171,911 2010 [# 7]
8 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides $1,043,871,802 2011 [# 8]

9 Alice in Wonderland $1,024,299,904 2010 [# 9]
10 Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace film currently playing $1,021,903,008 1999 [# 10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...grossing_films
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:27 AM   #42
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Respect amongst film makers is one thing... Making money is the most important thing.

And regarding you're examples... Avatar was one of those un-explainable events that comes around once every few years. - Transformers Dark of the Moon made $50 million less domestically than Rise of the Fallen with higher ticket prices. - Pirates 4? Worse gross of all four films domestically, and didn't even catch Deadman's Chest's number worldwide.

Of course sequels are coming for all of these films, but only Avatar can really claim 3D made a difference in box office.

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That's an extremely narrow point of view mate. I can't fathom why, but you're completely ignoring international numbers for starters.

Plus, look at the films themselves:

Pirates 4 was a**, pure and simple. Regardless of whether it matched the box office total of the previous films (domestically), if it wasn't in 3D, it would have made FAR less.

Dark Of The Moon didn't match the (again, domestic) box office of Revenge Of The Fallen... but do you recall the consumer backlash against that film? The fact that Dark Of The Moon made as much as it did, following the second instalment is a miracle in itself. Again, 3D definitely improved the numbers it would have attained otherwise.
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Old 03-21-2012, 05:47 AM   #43
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That's an extremely narrow point of view mate. I can't fathom why, but you're completely ignoring international numbers for starters.
I fully understand the international numbers... And I also understand the talk that is going on behind the scenes where studios are starting to evaluate it if is even worth the cost to shot films in 3D, since the new post-conversion films are tanking.

This time next year, you'll only be seeing animation and maybe 1-2 live action 3D film per studio. (And those will have be proven franchises, don't expect new films to be in 3D.)

All is not rosy in the 3D world...

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Old 03-21-2012, 02:54 PM   #44
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Lots of debate on this!

I was 12 when Jurassic Park made its debut - I saw it in the theater.. twice I think? And a couple times at a dollar cinema that was located near our house after it left the main screen. I am all in, cards on the table, fully backing that this will be a fun experience and I would LOVE to own JP3D, 2 and 3 were okay but could never live up to the excellence of the first film - this by far has me more excited than any other re-release currently announced.

As for the argument that we're missing out on a Jurassic Park 4 for another 3D re-release, just where exactly would this sequel go? Or take place? Neil, Dern, Goldblum - all of these actors are almost 20 years older - would this take place back on the islands? Been done. Dinosaurs on the main land? Done. How about another cheesy scene where Malcom's daughter will do gymnastics on scaffolding bars for 20 seconds while avoiding raptors? Thank goodness that is done and never needs to be spoken of again LOL. Hollywood will always have a way to manipulate an idea and push a script out for a quick buck but JP4 just doesn't sell with me - I would need convincing, the idea has been done and done well, why jump the shark? (IMO the franchise back-flipped over that MF'n shark with the sequels already, but that's another story....)

"Well isn't re-releasing in 3d jumping the shark, Jsmith82?"

Yes and no, simple matter of opinion there. Could this be construed as big business putting yet another converted classic out to empty the pockets of the general public for one last cash grab? Yes. Absolutely, and I will not deny that. However, this can also be viewed as a chance to share what we got to experience almost 2 decades ago with our kids, and a chance for us to "oooooh aaaaah" at the dinosaurs once again but in a new dimension. I speak having a son on the way, he's do in may. I can't wait to share this film with him once he is old enough and to do it in 3D is simply awesome - as a big fan of the first film, I couldn't be more excited!

It is unfortunate that in order to get older content that is truly converted into 3d it always seems to have to hit theaters first, but that's just eye for an eye. I want more content, JP is a movie I would love to see in 3D - if ol' Spiely needs to drop it in the theaters before it can land into my 3dBR collection so be it, doesn't bother me in this sense.

[off topic rant] As for saying 3D is on its way out earlier in this topic, that's a pretty bold statement and though a huge percentage of bloggers out there love to boast not to let the door hit the format in the ass in 2013-14 or 2012, 11, 10 (been reading these same stories for years), I honestly don't get the back and forth over a format you can choose to view or not to view. With a dedicated audience and lots of films announced and / or on the horizon over the next 1-7 years, I don't see your argument other than you just don't like the format and like most people, if you don't like it - nobody should like it. "3d sucks, I hate it, despite its growth it's going to flop...". Don't watch it - I will. We've found peace.

3d Films Globally defined as "Feature Films" 2005 - 2011.

2005 - 5
2006 - 7
2007 - 10
2008 - 10
2009 - 20
2010 - 39
2011 - 55

3Dtv sales were predicted to plummet in 2011 however the home format grew 27% in its 3rd quarter with a larger predicted growth for fourth quarter overall though I could not find that figure, I'll keep looking. The funny here is in 2009, 3D was destined to fail in 2010 - it will not lift off at home. In 2010, sets sold but nobody will be able to afford these new sets coming out in 2011 and 3d is going to flop - don't fight it, it's not going to last. In 2011, it's still here. Well that's a fluke, sales will fall, wait, they didn't? They grew? Here we are 2012 - the format continues to grow and expand against the odds, new technology is being developed and introduced, and with so much currently invested, it's obviously here to stay for quite a while. [/end rant]

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Old 03-21-2012, 03:28 PM   #45
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I love Jurassic park its one of my all time favorite movies and I even like parts 2 and 3 and I must say I look forward to this 3D re release. I think Spielberg will do a good job at the conversion process and I will be buying a ticket for opening day and will purchase the 3D blu-ray if it ever gets a release. NOW as far as another sequel goes I would like to see one but at the same time I am not sure where they could take the film especially if they want the original cast involved. I think we should just wait and see where that goes
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Old 03-21-2012, 04:32 PM   #46
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This time next year, you'll only be seeing animation and maybe 1-2 live action 3D film per studio. (And those will have be proven franchises, don't expect new films to be in 3D.)
I don't think 3D is in quite as critical of a situation as you are making it out to be. There will be more non-documentary major live-action 3D features in 2012 than there were in 2011.

2011:
[Show spoiler]
  1. The Green Hornet (1/14/11)
  2. Sanctum (2/11/11)
  3. Drive Angry (2/25/11)
  4. Thor (5/6/11)
  5. Priest (5/13/11)
  6. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (5/20/11)
  7. Green Lantern (6/17/11)
  8. Transformers: Dark of the Moon (6/29/11)
  9. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (6/15/11)
  10. Captain America: The First Avenger (7/22/11)
  11. The Smurfs (7/29/11)
  12. Final Destination 5 (8/12/11)
  13. Conan the Barbarian (8/19/11)
  14. Fright Night (8/19/11)
  15. Spy Kids: All the Time in the World (8/19/11)
  16. Shark Night 3D (9/2/11)
  17. Dolphin Tale (9/23/11)
  18. The Three Musketeers (10/21/11)
  19. A Very Harold & Kumar 3D Christmas (11/4/11)
  20. Immortals (11/11/11)
  21. Hugo (11/23/11)
  22. The Darkest Hour (12/23/11)


2012 Confirmed:
[Show spoiler]
  1. Underworld: Awakening (1/20/12)
  2. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (2/10/12)
  3. Journey 2: The Mysterious Island (2/10/12)
  4. Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (2/17/12)
  5. John Carter (3/9/12)
  6. Wrath of the Titans (3/30/12)
  7. Titanic (4/4/12)
  8. The Avengers (5/4/12)
  9. Men in Black III (5/25/12)
  10. Piranha 3DD (6/1/12)
  11. Prometheus (6/8/12)
  12. Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter (6/22/12)
  13. The Amazing Spider-Man (7/3/12)
  14. Step Up 4 (7/27/12)
  15. Resident Evil: Retribution (9/14/12)
  16. Dredd (9/21/12)
  17. Leatherface (10/5/12)
  18. Static (11/1/12)
  19. 47 Ronin (11/21/12)
  20. Gravity (11/21/12)
  21. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (12/14/12)
  22. Life of Pi (12/21/12)
  23. The Great Gatsby (12/25/12)


2012 (or possibly 2013) Expected:
[Show spoiler]
  1. Universal Soldier: A New Dimension (5/12)
  2. Nurse 3-D (12/12)
  3. House of the Damned 3-D
  4. Silent Hill: Revelation
  5. The Ghost Experiment
  6. The Return of Captain Nemo
  7. Top Gun


Additionally, there's already several 3D features scheduled for 2013, including at least two new franchises early next year.
  1. Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters (1/11/13)
  2. Jack the Giant Killer (3/22/13)
  3. Star Trek 2 (5/17/13)
  4. Jurassic Park (7/19/13)
  5. Dirty Dancing (7/26/13)
  6. The Smurfs 2 (8/2/13)
  7. Thor 2 (11/15/13)
  8. The Hobbit: There and Back Again (12/13/13)

2013 Expected:
  1. The Legend of William Tell
  2. Silence
  3. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Cones

2013 Potential 3D Films:
[Show spoiler]
  1. Man of Steel (6/14/13) (Potential conversion)
  2. 17 Days of Winter
  3. Baywatch
  4. The Birds
  5. Briar Lake Liers
  6. Cobra: The Space Pirate
  7. The Day of the Triffids
  8. The Forever War
  9. Jeepers Creepers 3: Cathedral
  10. The Killer
  11. Pompeii
  12. Shady Talez
  13. X-Treme Mission

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Old 03-21-2012, 08:00 PM   #47
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Additionally, there's already several 3D features scheduled for 2013, including at least two new franchises early next year.[LIST=1][*]Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters (1/11/13)[*]Jack the Giant Killer (3/22/13)
Those "new franchises" are non-starters, which we're postponed from this summer.

Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters was "officially" postponed to take full advantage of Jeremy Renner increasing popularity, which is expected after The Avengers and The Bourne Legacy. - "Un-officially"/realisticallly if you move a film to January, you're dumping it.

Jack and the Giant Killer? - Honestly, aside from the first two X-Men movies, does Bryan Singer really scream potential franchise? While I liked Superman Returns, he essentially drove that series back into the ground with the average viewer.

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Old 03-21-2012, 08:45 PM   #48
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By "new franchise," I actually meant "new intellectual property" or a film that's not a sequel, remake, or spinoff--a riskier story that's new and won't automatically attract an existing fanbase. I did not mean to imply that Hansel & Gretel or Jack the Giant Killer will get multiple sequels.

Just trying to make the point that live-action 3D will not be on life support by next year just because John Carter, Conan the Barbarian, and Green Lantern flopped. Time will tell, but I do not believe that filmmakers will cease green-lighting new unproven films in 3D just because a few recent conversions underperformed their budgets.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:52 PM   #49
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This time next year, you'll only be seeing animation and maybe 1-2 live action 3D film per studio. (And those will have be proven franchises, don't expect new films to be in 3D.)
If you're correct then one would expect a tapering off of new 3D movies towards the end of the year. Let's see if that holds up:

June- 4
July- 3
August- 3
September- 3
October- 3
November- 4
December- 3

(list here)

Apparently not. It's too early to start counting up 2013 3D movies, but there's no sign of them letting up.

Honestly I don't understand why haters hate on 3D so much, there seems to be some strange desire there to see the technology fail. If it does then so be it, but those of us that love it will enjoy the ride as long as we can. And it's still a relatively new technology that hasn't filtered into most homes yet, this time next year it could actually be more popular than ever. Time will tell.
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TWright: "Honestly I don't understand why haters hate on 3D so much, there seems to be some strange desire there to see the technology fail. If it does then so be it, but those of us that love it will enjoy the ride as long as we can. And it's still a relatively new technology that hasn't filtered into most homes yet, this time next year it could actually be more popular than ever. Time will tell."


I agree TW. It's one of the wierdest things to me also. I would call it pure evil. I don't like to post on Facebook or send text messages but I don't hate that technology or desire to see it go away. It's like 3D broke into their house and stole the family jewels and raped the women or something.

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The Man of Steel, There and Back Again, Dreamworks animated films, The Little Mermaid, Monsters Inc, Monsters Inc prequel, and Star Trek are all 3D in 2013. Robopocalypse might be filmed in 3D. Most films haven't been announced yet for 2013 yet alone 2014 and beyond.

Never mind the doomsdayers. With some of The top filmmakers alive today committed to making all of their films in 3D, 3D distribution in place and growing, 3D is showing no signs of going away.
Great, can't wait. Just hope the prices come down a bit. I'm getting tired of paying high bucks for 3D blus. High prices give me the blus... ()
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Old 03-22-2012, 02:51 PM   #52
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TWright: "Honestly I don't understand why haters hate on 3D so much, there seems to be some strange desire there to see the technology fail. If it does then so be it, but those of us that love it will enjoy the ride as long as we can. And it's still a relatively new technology that hasn't filtered into most homes yet, this time next year it could actually be more popular than ever. Time will tell."


I agree TW. It's one of the wierdest things to me also. I would call it pure evil. I don't like to post on Facebook or send text messages but I don't hate that technology or desire to see it go away. It's like 3D broke into their house and stole the family jewels and raped the women or something.
I agree with both of you. The harshness in some of the anti-3D posts is really surprising. Debating is one thing but it seems like fallacies are thrown left and right just to discourage people from 3D. This is starting to bring back memories from the days of the Bluray vs HDDVD war. I kinda miss those days for some reason.
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Did you hate your mother? Well, did you? Your mother is in 3D. Hell fire, we "all" live in a 3D world. Could you imagine living in a 2D world? I think most of you think we do live in a 2D world. Well, here's a news flash for you... WE LIVE IN A 3D WORLD! So why cry, moan, complaint and feel (blu)e () about having 3D blu rays on the market? Why hate the movie industry for making 3D movies? If you like 2D movies, that is great... so do I, but I am one of those weirdos that likes 3D movies.

So, I say, live long and live high on 3D blus!

3D haters, we that love 3D movies don't hate you. We just love 3D movies more than you hate 3D blus. That's why 3Ds will never die. 3Ds may lay down to sleep awhile (history dictates), but will NEVER die.

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I agree with both of you. The harshness in some of the anti-3D posts is really surprising. Debating is one thing but it seems like fallacies are thrown left and right just to discourage people from 3D. This is starting to bring back memories from the days of the Bluray vs HDDVD war. I kinda miss those days for some reason.
Blu-Ray vs HDDVD, now that was a war that cost a lot of money for the people that lost. It was easy to see which format was going to win. After all blus had the capicity to hold up to 50GB of data where as the most a HDDVD could only hold up to 25GB. It was easy to see that you'll get more "umph" for your money when buying a blu, rather than a HDDVD.

BTW, I had lots and lots of friends that lost that war. I believed in blu long before that war ended, just like so many more.
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2012 3D movies

47 Ronin
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
The Amazing Spider-Man
Brave
Dorothy of Oz
Dr. Seuss' The Lorax
Dredd
Frankenweenie
The Great Gatsby
The Hobbit
Hotel Transylvania
Ice Age: Continental Drift
Jack the Giant Killer
Journey 2: The Mysterious Island
Life of Pi
Madagascar 3
ParaNorman
Piranha 3DD
Pirates! Band of Misfits
Prometheus
Resident Evil: Damnation
Resident Evil: Retribution
Rise of the Guardians
Silent Hill: Revelation 3D
Step Up 4
StreetDance 2
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D
Underworld Awakening
Wreck-It Ralph
Looks pretty good to me. So long as the 3D looks great in all future 3D productions I don't really mind if there aren't so many of them.

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Looks pretty good to me. So long as the 3D looks great in all future 3D productions I don't really mind if there aren't so many of them.

Gae
... so many of them "whats"? That one flew over my head. You talking 3D movies or 3D haters? Or what is it that you're talking about... there is no reference in what you mean...
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... so many of them "whats"? That one flew over my head. You talking 3D movies or 3D haters? Or what is it that you're talking about... there is no reference in what you mean...
Just showing that 3D movies are still around in 2012 and in a reasonably healthy state...not dying out as was implied higher up in the thread.

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I don't hate 3D but I don't like it either.
I have a 3D TV and I've watched maybe 4 hours worth of 3D content total.
Mostly, I watch it just to see what it looks like for sports or documentary's etc.

I don't like having to wear glasses over my own glasses (very annoying).
Also, I just don't get that 'wow' factor that big 3D enthusiasts seem to get.

My main gripe with 3D is that more and more movies are only being shown in 3D when they release in cinema's. I want to have the choice of seeing it in the cinema in 2D or 3D. I don't like having to pay extra ticket prices and money for glasses because there's only a 3D option for a film I would like to see.
This will only increase.

A secondary gripe would be the post conversion films. They're are truly awful with Clash of the Titans being a prime example.
This is the clearest example for me that shows film studio's are just out for a quick buck and don't care about quality.
Surely, when they post converted CotT, they realised it was garbage but they released it anyway.

Its the same with Stars Wars. Lucas is just after a quick buck. So is Cameron with Titanic (really???) and I'm sorry but Mr Spielberg is doing the exact same thing with JP. I'm sure they each got a friendly poke from Universal (or whoever released the film) to convert it and milk it a little more.

I mean, who amongst us has ever said to themselves..."man, Titanic would look awesome in 3D. I would love to see that". Nobody, except for Cameron and the studio.
It's the same case with JP. Yeah, once it was announced, some people were like, "f-uck yeah, JP3D. I can't wait".
However, if they had never decided to post convert it, would anyone give a crap???
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I don't hate 3D but I don't like it either.
I have a 3D TV and I've watched maybe 4 hours worth of 3D content total.
Mostly, I watch it just to see what it looks like for sports or documentary's etc.

I don't like having to wear glasses over my own glasses (very annoying).
Also, I just don't get that 'wow' factor that big 3D enthusiasts seem to get.

My main gripe with 3D is that more and more movies are only being shown in 3D when they release in cinema's. I want to have the choice of seeing it in the cinema in 2D or 3D. I don't like having to pay extra ticket prices and money for glasses because there's only a 3D option for a film I would like to see.
This will only increase.

A secondary gripe would be the post conversion films. They're are truly awful with Clash of the Titans being a prime example.
This is the clearest example for me that shows film studio's are just out for a quick buck and don't care about quality.
Surely, when they post converted CotT, they realised it was garbage but they released it anyway.

Its the same with Stars Wars. Lucas is just after a quick buck. So is Cameron with Titanic (really???) and I'm sorry but Mr Spielberg is doing the exact same thing with JP. I'm sure they each got a friendly poke from Universal (or whoever released the film) to convert it and milk it a little more.

I mean, who amongst us has ever said to themselves..."man, Titanic would look awesome in 3D. I would love to see that". Nobody, except for Cameron and the studio.
It's the same case with JP. Yeah, once it was announced, some people were like, "f-uck yeah, JP3D. I can't wait".
However, if they had never decided to post convert it, would anyone give a crap???

Have a look at the first few 3D demos on this page of my blog. If you still don't get the "wow" factor then obviously 3D is not meant for you.

YT3D demos



With regards conversions, I'm with you. I wish they would stop converting new films and shoot in native 3D.

With regards Titanic in 3D...no-one is forcing anyone to go and watch it. We have plenty of other choices of how to fill our time up in life. If I don't like something then I just don't bother with it.

Gae

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Old 03-23-2012, 08:27 PM   #60
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I don't hate 3D but I don't like it either.
I have a 3D TV and I've watched maybe 4 hours worth of 3D content total.
Mostly, I watch it just to see what it looks like for sports or documentary's etc.

I don't like having to wear glasses over my own glasses (very annoying).
Also, I just don't get that 'wow' factor that big 3D enthusiasts seem to get.

My main gripe with 3D is that more and more movies are only being shown in 3D when they release in cinema's. I want to have the choice of seeing it in the cinema in 2D or 3D. I don't like having to pay extra ticket prices and money for glasses because there's only a 3D option for a film I would like to see.
This will only increase.

A secondary gripe would be the post conversion films. They're are truly awful with Clash of the Titans being a prime example.
This is the clearest example for me that shows film studio's are just out for a quick buck and don't care about quality.
Surely, when they post converted CotT, they realised it was garbage but they released it anyway.

Its the same with Stars Wars. Lucas is just after a quick buck. So is Cameron with Titanic (really???) and I'm sorry but Mr Spielberg is doing the exact same thing with JP. I'm sure they each got a friendly poke from Universal (or whoever released the film) to convert it and milk it a little more.

I mean, who amongst us has ever said to themselves..."man, Titanic would look awesome in 3D. I would love to see that". Nobody, except for Cameron and the studio.
It's the same case with JP. Yeah, once it was announced, some people were like, "f-uck yeah, JP3D. I can't wait".
However, if they had never decided to post convert it, would anyone give a crap???
I can't tell the difference between your "don't hate but don't like it" It seems you hate it more than don't like it. Now lie down on the couch and let 's go over this from the begining.

Three hours later.

We've made good progress Andy. It appears you are a hater that keeps it inside but wants to come out. It's getting late but make an appointment on the way out so we can tackle the core of this problem on your next visit.

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