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Old 01-28-2014, 08:57 PM   #41
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received 2 copies of this film today ... neither came in a slipbox, which is surprising being this is a ultimate edition. Just a standard blu case.
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Figured I'd post this since it seems to shed a little more light on the lesser quality footage that pops up near the beginning and near the middle of the film. This footage was apparently missing altogether from Kino's previous DVD release of the film, though it was available on the 1999 Image/Blackhawk Films release.

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A previously-released DVD edition, prepared for home video by David Shepard’s Film Preservation Associates, was released in 1999 through Image Entertainment. Our first agenda item was to compare this Kino edition to the Image edition.

First, there is greater image detail in the Kino edition, the result of a new video transfer from a 35mm release print. We have been told that Shepard’s edition was transferred from a 16mm reduction print. We cannot confirm this and think that the Shepard source material was either an older 35mm dupe positive or a Blackhawk Films 16mm reduction print. The Shepard edition is slightly windowboxed where the Kino edition is full-frame video transfer, making the images slightly larger on-screen. The Kino edition shows slightly more of the top of the image frame, while it reveals slightly less information on the sides and bottom of the picture than the Shepard edition on some televisions.

We think that both the Kino and Shepard editions initially derived from the same original 35mm source material as some print flaws appear to be the same in both editions. The 35mm source print of the Kino edition is flecked with moderate speckling, a fine patina of scuffing, scratches, other damage, and the beginnings of light filmstock decomposition. Overall, the print is in very-good condition and is quite watchable.

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However, there is greater apparent image detail, than that of the Shepard edition, when the Kino edition picture is in full motion due to the greater detail of the 35mm source material. Shadow details are clearer in the Kino edition, particularly in later shots of Jekyll’s dark laboratory where more background information can be seen. If you don't look too closely the Kino edition features a far more detailed and pleasing image than that of the Shepard edition.

The Kino edition is missing footage that is in the Shepard edition; that being directly after the intertitle introducing Brandon Hurst as Sir George Carew. In the Shepard edition, the footage begins with a shot of Carew reading a gossip newspaper followed by an inset shot of the newspaper item beginning, “What has hapened to the eyesight of the elderly Duke of X —?,” which then returns to the shot of Carew. A medium-long shot follows showing Martha Mansfield coming down the stairs in the background and into the foyer. An intertitle introduces Mansfield as Millicent, followed by an establishing close-up of her. Carew turns his attention back to his paper, while Millicent talks to a butler. She then enters the parlor where Carew has risen from his paper. She asks him about her dress and he points to her bouquet she holds. An intertitle reads, “These are from Dr. Jekyll,” followed by a reaction shot and they turn, obviously hearing the arrival of guests. An intertitle introduces J. Malcolm Dunn as John Utterson, and is followed by a shot of the standing butler and Utterson entering the parlor. Utterson greets Millicent and Carew. He excuses himself and Millicent and Utterson sit. A close-up shows Carew’s hand placing the gossip newspaper in a desk drawer, followed by a return to the two-shot. An intertitle reads, “Have you seen anything of Dr. Jekyll lately?” Utterson shakes his head and an intertitle reads, “Between his laboratory and his poor, Jekyll hasn’t much time for his friends.” Millicent begins speaking and an intertitle reads, “But isn’t it wonderful of him to devote so much of his life to other people?” Millicent looks at her flowers and they continue talking until a jump cut to a shot of Jekyll caring for a boy with bandages on his arm and foot, whom he carries into his treatment room. Jekyll sits and begins writing notes at his desk. A close-up of the boy patient looking around the room is followed by a close-up of the nurse tending to instruments. The boy looks around again and back to the busy nurse and back around the room. A close-up of Jekyll at his desk shows him wrapping a note to be delivered by a waiting boy. An intertitle reads, “Take this at once to Sir George Carew.” The delivery boy leaves and Jekyll turns. The little patient is seen again in close-up. Jekyll offers the boy a treat, which he takes and puts in his mouth. Jekyll begins removing bandages from the boy’s arm and the shot fades to black. The entire sequence lasts from 6:21 through 10:21. Later, the Shepard edition leaves in a second (redundant) intertitle introducing Mansfield (again).

More missing footage begins as Gina the dancer tells Hyde the story of the poison ring. In the Shepard edition we see: Fade up on a medium shot of four people seated at a table in a large room in mediaeval Italy. Cut to a two-shot of a young couple obviously in love. He touches her arm. Cut to a two-shot of the other two men at the table, watching the young lovers. An irised close-up shows the poison ring on the older man’s hand, which he pulls off his finger. Back to the two-shot as he hands the ring to the other stern-looking man. Cut to the two-shot of the couple and back again to the two men. The stern-looking man takes the ring, opens its compartment, and pours poison into a glass of wine. A brief shot of the couple shows a hand taking a wine glass out of frame. Cut back to the conspirators. The stern-looking man offers the poisoned wine to the young suitor, who accepts it and raises it in toast to his love. Cut to a reaction shot of the conspirators who raise their glasses as well. Cut back to the two-shot of the lovers and the suitor drinks the wine. Cut to a medium shot of the whole table as all the men drink their toast. The young suitor reacts almost immediately to the poison and turns his head toward the conspirators. Here is where the footage is taken up by the Kino edition. The Shepard sequence lasts from 36:08 through 37:24. The upshot is that the story of the ring in the Kino edition is reduced to the dying young suitor looking at his poisoners and collapsing; end of story.

The footage missing from the Kino edition accounts for more than five minutes of the six-minute difference in the two editions’ running times.
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An examination of the video transfer on this Image disc first reveals an open image framing, allowing generous space around intertitles and the tops of heads. The moderately speckled print utilized for the transfer appears to be a duplicate 35mm copy print (most likely prepared for Blackhawk Films), as it is soft of image detail throughout, and the picture exposure from frame to frame fluctuates from time to time. We have been told that a 16mm reduction print was utilized for this edition. While we can’t confirm this, the print is for the most part a little too contrasty, with backgrounds at times too dark to the point of being entirely plugged-up — all characteristics of 16mm prints. Some shots are overexposed to the point where highlights are lost. Occasional faint signs of print decomposition are also seen.
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Old 02-22-2014, 04:09 PM   #44
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George Eastman House and Museum of Modern Art have 35mm copies of Jekyll and Hyde. I'm sure the condition on the films varies due to environmental conditions they were exposed to prior to professional archiving. I am also aware of an unusual 8mm reduction positive but don't know who holds it. As someone stated, The new version is from a superior master with missing footage supplemented from another lesser quality master.
Barrymore is brilliant in the film but I have also begun to appreciate the subtlety in direction of the film. Having begun my exposure to this film through a silent B&W fuzzy 8mm copy, I am delighted that this is now available in a closer to archival presentation with tints and a symphonic score. I am also glad Kino is not digitally scrubbing everything so that we have a chance to see what these archival treasures really look like as they exist today. I am glad to get the film this way rather than in no way....
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Old 04-19-2014, 07:42 PM   #45
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Does this release come with slipcover?
Just got mine today, and no slipcover either, surprised since all my other kino blus do... gives it the class they deserve.
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Would anyone who owns this blu recommend it? It seems its remastered, and NOT restored.
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Would anyone who owns this blu recommend it? It seems its remastered, and NOT restored.
If you don't have the DVD, by all means get the Blu-ray. If you've got the old Kino DVD, the Kino Blu-ray has scenes missing from that version but with lower quality than the rest of the film . If you've got the old Image DVD, it's got the missing scenes but is not as sharp as Kino's old DVD. Someone else has reposted detailed info about the DVD differences above.

Here's part of what I wrote on another site when Kino's Blu-ray came out...

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The Blu-ray is an upgrade from the DVD, most noticeably in the lack of compression artifacts, but is slightly softer than I was expecting. Whether that's a Digital Noise Reduction problem in the original scan or a minor focus problem with the print, I'm not sure. I'm wondering if the old 2001 DVD was made from an HD transfer and this is now just putting that same HD transfer onto a Blu-ray (HD transfers have improved dramatically in 13 years). It is a 24p file, but any motion-jerk artifacts are minimal to none compared to the NOSFERATU transfer, so something has improved in that regard. In any case the Blu-ray of JEKYLL & HYDE does include the missing footage that had not been on Kino's DVD but was on Image's DVD. The two missing scenes (Millicent's entrance and the flashback of the poison ring history) appear to be sourced from SD material and upscaled, as well as windowboxed so it's obvious what is the new material. They extend the running time by roughly two minutes from the old DVD (from almost 78 minutes on the DVD [erroneously listed as 73 minutes on the DVD box] to almost 80 minutes on the Blu-ray [it says 79 minutes on the box but is actually over 79 1/2 minutes]).

The color tints are also different from the DVD. The bulk of the film is now straight black and white, but the night scenes are again blue (though a slightly different shade, and a couple of very brief shots did not get the blue put in for some reason - the blowing out the lamp before going outside at one point, and a brief outdoor shot during a cross-cutting section at another point) and a new color has been added for certain scenes. I miss not having the tasteful sepiatone that was on much of Kino's DVD, but the new blue tints seem more authentic in their hue and there's now a magenta tint used for the nightclub scenes that is authentic-looking and appropriate. The Blu-ray shows a very tiny extra bit of image around the edges compared to the DVD, and also seems to be just a touch darker than the DVD and have the gamma dialed back a bit, revealing more detail in many scenes but not having quite the "pop" in contrast that is on the DVD, yet in a very few shots there are some highlights that appear to be peaking out for some reason.

It's generally a very good transfer overall (except for the inserted new scenes, which are so-so looking -- softer and grainier with a thick windowbox around them). Sitting one screen-width away from the image as I like to do for 1.33:1 films, the overall picture softness is obvious compared with some other silent Blu-rays (Kino's SEVEN CHANCES, for example, is one of the best currently available). Sitting two or more screen-widths away from the picture, the image really looks quite pleasing. The movie could probably look substantially better with a brand new state-of-the-art HD scan and some minimal digital repair with extra care taken to avoid softening the grain, but this is certainly a respectable HD edition.
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Would anyone who owns this blu recommend it? It seems its remastered, and NOT restored.
As other posters have said, but in simple terms the Blu-ray is a combination of two versions to create the most complete version in the best available print quality.

Like many films, this is in dire need of a full restoration but that's difficult when the only surviving materials are prints like these. A full restoration would be costly (way outside if Kino's Blu-ray budget!) and require a worldwide search for materials.
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If you don't have the DVD, by all means get the Blu-ray. If you've got the old Kino DVD, the Kino Blu-ray has scenes missing from that version but with lower quality than the rest of the film . If you've got the old Image DVD, it's got the missing scenes but is not as sharp as Kino's old DVD. Someone else has reposted detailed info about the DVD differences above.

Here's part of what I wrote on another site when Kino's Blu-ray came out...
Thanks I found the review really helpful.

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As other posters have said, but in simple terms the Blu-ray is a combination of two versions to create the most complete version in the best available print quality.

Like many films, this is in dire need of a full restoration but that's difficult when the only surviving materials are prints like these. A full restoration would be costly (way outside if Kino's Blu-ray budget!) and require a worldwide search for materials.
That's a shame. I own this film on one those, "50 horror movie packs" and being public domain, it was pretty awful and I never did finish watching it. I'm definitly going to get the blu ray now. Thanks!
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Does anyone else experience some audio distortion on the music track of this blu? I notice it right away at the beginning of the movie; when the music hits some slightly louder and more aggressive notes, I notice a bit of crinkly distortion. It also occurs on the main menu, which features the same music as the opening titles.

I dug out the older Kino DVD which features the same recording, albeit in DD rather than PCM, and it sounds.clean.
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...does anyone here have any idea why Warner are taking so long to release the classic 1932 and 1941 versions on blu-ray...they released them on one dvd in 2004....when one considers that they have released many lesser known titles on blu-ray , one wonders what the problem is...

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...does anyone here have any idea why Warner are taking so long to release the classic 1932 and 1941 versions on blu-ray...they released them on one dvd in 2004....when one considers that they have released many lesser known titles on blu-ray , one wonders what the problem is...
Looking for better elements for the 1932 version.
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I really hope someone can give the Barrymore version a full-blown restoration in HD.
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And hopefully the complete 1941 version as well.
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Does anyone else experience some audio distortion on the music track of this blu? I notice it right away at the beginning of the movie; when the music hits some slightly louder and more aggressive notes, I notice a bit of crinkly distortion. It also occurs on the main menu, which features the same music as the opening titles.

I dug out the older Kino DVD which features the same recording, albeit in DD rather than PCM, and it sounds.clean.
I experienced the same thing. It’s mostly in the opening and then a few more times in the left channel. It’s always in a louder musical passage on the high end.

That and the windowboxed lesser footage sourced for the two segments are the only downsides of this release. The latter is understandable if that’s all there is though I don’t understand why damaged or substituted footage in silent films is so often windowboxed.
The sprocket holes that pop up on the right side are definitely in your face but oddly they don’t bother one all that much.

This is easily the best I’ve ever seen the 1920 version regardless and until some major work is put into it this disc is the best there is.
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I’m sticking with my old Image DVD because it doesn’t suffer from the jerky-motion artifacting of the 1080p Kino Blu. They should have made it 1080i as the film speed is slower than 24fps.

This really needs a proper full-blown restoration of all the extant footage. The upscaled SD bits in the Blu look worse than they do in the Image DVD.
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I’m sticking with my old Image DVD because it doesn’t suffer from the jerky-motion artifacting of the 1080p Kino Blu. They should have made it 1080i as the film speed is slower than 24fps.

This really needs a proper full-blown restoration of all the extant footage. The upscaled SD bits in the Blu look worse than they do in the Image DVD.
While I do have the Kino blu, I'm holding onto the Image DVD for the Gaylord Carter score.
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While I do have the Kino blu, I'm holding onto the Image DVD for the Gaylord Carter score.
Yeah, that too. That score is a classic. I never bought the Kino Blu because a buddy brought it over and we watched it and I decided I preferred the DVD. Can’t remember much about the new score.
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I compared the Kino BD to my 1998 Image LD from the Blackhawk films version and the old disc holds up rather well. It seems to be the origin of their DVD and likely the same picture master. The tinting isn't as nuanced as the Kino BD but due to the source the old master looks pretty good.
The explanation of the ring is in B&W and not windowboxed like the Kino. However the old master is a tiny bit windowboxed on all sides. Also while the score is very good is has some baked in distortion.
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