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Old 04-03-2014, 03:56 PM   #41
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I get the U.S blu ray thanks.
Currently $16.96 on Amazon before shipping. Would be cheeky not to.
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Old 04-03-2014, 03:56 PM   #42
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Anyway, the original question was what is the UK getting compared to the US. The UK release has two cuts - our theatrical release which runs about 119 minutes (and is likely the same as the US theatrical, though there are rumours that a couple of alternative lines are used) and the Super-Size cut that runs 143m.

The US is getting three cuts - their 119m theatrical (again, likely the same as ours, possibly with a couple of softer line alterations), a 123m 'unrated' and the 143m Super-Sized cut.

Both have a commentary - ours on the theatrical cut, theirs on the Unrated cut. It's not known if our commentary has been edited to fit or if the US one is spaced out a bit.

If you want everything, go for the US version. It's clear that it's the definitive version.
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:06 PM   #43
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Yes, it is - sorry, your original point didn't make that clear. Also, my reply to your post is now a few posts up so none of this now makes sense
Yes, I am using some netbook-type device and I don't like to edit my posts for spelling errors, which are common on this infernal tiny keyboard.

Also, if you want to blow your mind, Japan has either cut the film, or is getting the PAL speed version of the PG-13 cut on DVD and Blu-ray...because their version runs 113 minutes, and, well...

118 * 0.96 = 113

Imagine a Japanese Blu-ray at 1080/50i...think of the complaints when Japanese viewers cannot watch it on their 60Hz equipment...

From Paramount Japan's web site listing:

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Specifications (3-disc set set)
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Audio: Original (English): 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio other (planned)

Subtitles: English / Japanese Other (planned)

16:9 LB (1080p/Hi-Def) / scope size (planned)

113 minutes Color ■ main volume (scheduled) ■ 2-layer disc (planned)
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Audio: Original (English): 5.1ch Surround (planned)

Subtitles: English / Japanese Other (planned)

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音声:オリジナル(英語):5.1chサラウンド(予定)

字幕:英語/日本語 他(予定)

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Old 04-03-2014, 05:48 PM   #44
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It is highly doubtful that the UK edition will feature the US discs, because Paramount often (if not always) localizes the language options on their new release films....
Exhibit 1.

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While I haven't yet seen the UK or US theatrical cuts, there is evidence to support the idea that footage which was cut from the US PG-13 version of the film did appear in the UK theatrical version (scroll down this link to read about it). And then, the commentary is still included. The listing on Amazon.co.uk, which clearly uses copy provided to them (almost certainly from Paramount UK) states there will be two versions of the film included:

So according to that information, the US PG-13 cut cannot be present, because that version does not have the audio commentary attached, and neither does the version with 763 new jokes. This means that the other version included on the UK edition must be the extended cut.
If the "UK theatrical version" features footage removed from the "US PG-13 version", then the UK theatrical version is a fourth cut of the film, because the UK theatrical version can in no way, shape, or form, be the Unrated/Extended Cut that's present on the US BD. This is NOT speculation, it is fact.

The UK theatrical version has a running time of 119 minutes; the US theatrical version has a running time of 119 minutes.

The Unrated/Extended Cut, which is present on the US BD, has a running time of 123 minutes.

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And Paramount would not be stupid enough to leave off another edition from its marketing, I'm sure if they wanted the US cut on the UK BD, they would be sure to advertise all three versions, just like they did for the US Blu-ray.
No, the people running Paramount's UK operation really are very stupid, and incorrect/incomplete information is given to retailers all the time - and all the studios are guilty of this btw, not just Paramount.


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Now, could Paramount have re-cut the commentary for the UK BD? Sure, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and it would be needlessly time-consuming. It makes more sense to me, that the UK theatrical cut, or at least the version being touted as the "original version" for the UK BD, is in fact the extended 123 minute cut from the US Blu-ray.
If the "UK theatrical cut" was "in fact the extended 123 minute cut from the US Blu-ray", which it isn't, then this UK theatrical cut that has your knickers in a twist is in fact present on the US BD, and has been all along, and this would negate everything you've said so far.

What would be even less time consuming for Paramount would be for them to provide the UK with the exact same discs that were used in the US, that way they wouldn't have to bother creating a special **** you disc for the UK, featuring one less cut of the film compared to the US release.

As exceptionally dim as the people running Paramount have shown themselves to be, however, one thing they've never done is taken a commentary track that was specifically conceived for one, and only one, official cut of one of their films, then switched it to another official cut of that film for the UK Home Video release.

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"Yes, the run time is listed as 119 minutes on Amazon, but this could clearly be the infamous PAL running time. The extended cut runs 123 minutes, and at 25 fps, that version runs just over 118 minutes. Lose some seconds, and voilà. The DVD even uses this 119 minute run time, and we know that will be PAL format, so one of the run times is off...the PAL DVD and Blu-ray can't both be 119 minutes, and I have seen a number of UK Blu-rays listed with their PAL DVD run times.
The UK theatrical cut has a running time of 119 minutes.

The Unrated/Extended Cut, which is present on the US BD, has a running time of 123 minutes.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:33 PM   #45
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First of all, Kuros, I said most new release Paramount Blu-ray titles have localized language options, which is correct. Eight of the ten examples you chose are not new release titles, but catalogue titles, which are handled very differently.

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If the "UK theatrical version" features footage removed from the "US PG-13 version", then the UK theatrical version is a fourth cut of the film, because the UK theatrical version can in no way, shape, or form, be the Unrated/Extended Cut that's present on the US BD. This is NOT speculation, it is fact.

The UK theatrical version has a running time of 119 minutes; the US theatrical version has a running time of 119 minutes.

The Unrated/Extended Cut, which is present on the US BD, has a running time of 123 minutes.
And no one is disputing any of this. What I am saying is that there is a strong possibility that the UK theatrical cut contains material that was not present in the US PG-13 cut, regardless of how long each version is. Sure, run times can provide clues, but it is entirely possible that both versions running 119 minutes is a coincidence. However, I do not believe the UK theatrical version is identical to the US PG-13 version.

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What would be even less time consuming for Paramount would be for them to provide the UK with the exact same discs that were used in the US, that way they wouldn't have to bother creating a special **** you disc for the UK, featuring one less cut of the film compared to the US release.

As exceptionally dim as the people running Paramount have shown themselves to be, however, one thing they've never done is taken a commentary track that was specifically conceived for one, and only one, official cut of one of their films, then switched it to another official cut of that film for the UK Home Video release.
Again, while this is possible (like your example of The Dictator, where the US, UK and Australia got the same disc), it's not likely. The Australian version of Anchorman 2 also claims two versions of the film are in their edition, for example, and it wouldn't make any sense for the Japanese or Nordic editions to bother with the PG-13 cut, either. The PG-13 cut is only relevant to North America, or other countries that received an identical version, and again, it is doubtful that the UK, Europe, Japan, or Australia received the PG-13 cut. That is unlike The Dictator, where the US R-rated version was shown worldwide, and the extended version was composed for home video release.

Further, if we accept what you posit, that the UK version is identical to the US, and Paramount have hid the 123 minute cut with the commentary from the press release, then the BBFC would have to classify this third version. Since they have already classified all of the VAM and audio commentary, I would be surprised to see another cut pop up on their site between now and release.

And one thing I don't recall, is seeing two separate non-US divisions of Paramount, fail to include news of a certain cut of a film that was clearly advertised on its US version, where said cut is relevant to all three divisions.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:37 AM   #46
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Well at least I could find out that all of the bonus features are present

I don't care about which cut of the movie is on the discs. I'm a bonus features freak

Disc 1: Bonus features (71m 41s)
Disc 2: Teasers/trailers (10m 0s)
Disc 2: Bonus features (158m 34s)
Disc 2: Auditions (6m 28s)
Disc 2: Menu (1m 38s)
Disc 1: Menu (2m 21s)

And that's about 4 hours of bonus features!
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Old 04-06-2014, 10:17 PM   #47
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So, to investigate this further, I went and got the US set, and I've just finished watching the PG-13 version and the extended 123-minute version, and then the commentary.

First of all, after reading the consumer advice, I feel comfortable saying that the PG-13 version is not the UK theatrical version.

Now, the 15 certificate is for "infrequent strong sex references and hard drug use".

The "strong sex references" are said to include "a scene in which a man graphically explains different types of condoms, and a scene in which a man explains in detail how to perform oral sex on a woman". The PG-13 version has some of the condom scene, but it is longer and more detailed in the extended version. And most importantly, there is no scene in the PG-13 version where a man explains how to perform oral sex on a woman--at all. BUT, this scene is in the extended version, with Brian, during the news team argument, right before the car chase reporting scene. This "explanation" is very obvious, and is the clearest indication that this is a different version of the film to the PG-13 cut.

Also, the "hard drug use" is said to have "a scene in which men are seen smoking crack, which is comically presented as part of a news investigation". Now, in the PG-13 version, this scene is shown, but there is no actual smoking of the crack shown. In the extended version,
[Show spoiler]Ron and Brian are heard smoking (it is seen from behind)
, and the scene is longer.

Secondly, in the PG-13 version, there are some terms that have been overdubbed. The most obvious is that Veronica tells Linda she will shoot her in the "cooch", which has been overdubbed to "cooter" in the PG-13 version. Also, as has been mentioned, the scene with multiple uses of the word "vagina" has had all but one use of the word altered, and Brian's use of the word "ejaculate" has been changed to "man fluid" in the PG-13 version (these are both referenced explicitly in the commentary as something the MPAA forced them to change).

Now, in the 123-minute extended version on the US BD, there are up to four uses of the word "f**k, the first being
[Show spoiler]"f**kstick" in the beginning, during a montage of Ron's bad moments at WBC, the second is the"f**k you" that Ron whispers to Gary, Veronica's lover, which is also in the PG-13 version (and also cited in the commentary as "the underplayed 'f**k you'" and that you "get one 'f**k you' in a PG-13 movie"). The third and fourth, which are debatable, is a small extension, where Ron suggests, and Jack Lime subsequently calls himself, "Dick Phuk" as an alternative to the "Jack Lame" name. The name is also shown on screen right after he says it. Also, in the news readers fight scene, Tina Fey says "c**t-punt"
. Since the consumer advice is very clear that there is "one use of strong language ('f**k')" in the UK cinema version (and because of the run time difference), the UK version cannot be the extended version, either.

So, it is pretty clear that the UK cinema version is indeed a fourth version of the film, which is not the US PG-13 version, or the 123-minute extended version, and clearly not the super-sized 143-minute version.

Now, on the US BD, the audio commentary is only on the 123-minute extended version, but there are a few dead spots where the film audio comes through, and the commentary never references anything onscreen that is in the extended version, but not included in the BBFC 15 version, such as the additional uses of "f**k" or the use of
[Show spoiler]"c**t-punt"
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At the end of the credits, there is also a passing reference: "should we do a third one?", and someone interjects with "third commentary?" as if they have already done two audio commentaries. It might be nothing, but it's useful to note. I don't think it means they actually sat down and recorded two different commentaries that would appear on different releases, but you never know...

So, if everything is accurate, I would say that the UK BD includes:

The UK cinema version (with the commentary as advertised, and some/all dead air edited out)

The Super-Sized R-rated version

The US BD extras

I may of course, be wrong. It all seems very complicated. But, it does at least appear that the UK cinema version is not identical to the US PG-13 version. Whether that version will be included on the UK BD, and whether the audio commentary will be intact (or indeed the same), is the more perplexing question.

EDIT: Bah, it seems the UK may have been shafted.

Something didn't sit right about the consumer advice for the super-sized version. I went back and confirmed that according to the BBFC: "this version of the film contains five uses of strong language (four uses of 'f**k' and one use of 'motherf**ker')." In order for the super-sized version to contain all of the content from the 123-minute version, it would have to include
[Show spoiler]Tina Fey's use of "c**t-punt"
, which would usually be noted in consumer advice. I went back and checked the super-sized version on the US BD, and lo and behold, the line is not there.

So, it does seem that the UK misses out on some unique content that is only in the 123-minute version, even if that content is brief. I'm sure there are other differences, but I just watched this movie three times, and I'm not about to watch the longer, more tedious version of it again.

For all I know, the UK version could have content that is not in any of the US versions...

All the versions of this movie make my head spin.

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Here are the covers of the Australian BD, which also has two cuts of the film. This is the largest size I can provide here, but it shows clearly that there is a theatrical version, and the super-sized version. No mention is made of a third version, but the commentary is specified on the theatrical version.

I wouldn't be surprised if the UK gets this exact edition:

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Old 04-07-2014, 07:27 PM   #49
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So judging from the similar run times and the references on the commentary and elsewhere about the differences between the US and UK cuts, it seems the UK cut is the intended theatrical cut and the US ones had a handful of trims and substitutions for bits that couldn't get passed the MPAA at PG-13.

Shame we're missing out on a few minutes of extra scenes by not getting the unrated cut(even then we might get them included in our deleted scenes, though probably not) but at least we're getting the version of the film that was intended by the filmmakers.
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So judging from the similar run times and the references on the commentary and elsewhere about the differences between the US and UK cuts, it seems the UK cut is the intended theatrical cut and the US ones had a handful of trims and substitutions for bits that couldn't get passed the MPAA at PG-13.
I think this is exactly what happened.
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so us version is the definite version to go for then? and its region free?


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Honestly,does anyone really give a toss?
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Honestly,does anyone really give a toss?
Well, it would be nice to have a complete package, I suppose.
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US release is $12.99 (£12.09) on Amazon right now. And ordered.
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many thanks for that info - £12.09 including delivery

i just took advantage of it thanks again
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And bought,should arrive before the UK release and cheaper than it too
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£12.09? Now THAT price would be rude to refuse. Ordered.
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US release is $12.99 (£12.09) on Amazon right now. And ordered.
Thanks for the head's up - another one ordered! Had the UK one on pre-order for £12.50 so this is even better.
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Thanks for the head's up - another one ordered! Had the UK one on pre-order for £12.50 so this is even better.
Have now cancelled my UK release and ordered from America. Thank you!
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Cheers everyone for posting this info. Ordered US £12.11. This is why I come on here for this sort of info to get the best release.
Thanks again!
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