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Anyway, the original question was what is the UK getting compared to the US. The UK release has two cuts - our theatrical release which runs about 119 minutes (and is likely the same as the US theatrical, though there are rumours that a couple of alternative lines are used) and the Super-Size cut that runs 143m.
The US is getting three cuts - their 119m theatrical (again, likely the same as ours, possibly with a couple of softer line alterations), a 123m 'unrated' and the 143m Super-Sized cut. Both have a commentary - ours on the theatrical cut, theirs on the Unrated cut. It's not known if our commentary has been edited to fit or if the US one is spaced out a bit. If you want everything, go for the US version. It's clear that it's the definitive version. |
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![]() Also, if you want to blow your mind, Japan has either cut the film, or is getting the PAL speed version of the PG-13 cut on DVD and Blu-ray...because their version runs 113 minutes, and, well... 118 * 0.96 = 113 Imagine a Japanese Blu-ray at 1080/50i...think of the complaints when Japanese viewers cannot watch it on their 60Hz equipment... From Paramount Japan's web site listing: Quote:
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Exhibit 2. Exhibit 3. Exhibit 4. Exhibit 5. Exhibit 6. Exhibit 7. Exhibit 8. Exhibit 9. Exhibit 10. Quote:
The UK theatrical version has a running time of 119 minutes; the US theatrical version has a running time of 119 minutes. The Unrated/Extended Cut, which is present on the US BD, has a running time of 123 minutes. Quote:
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What would be even less time consuming for Paramount would be for them to provide the UK with the exact same discs that were used in the US, that way they wouldn't have to bother creating a special **** you disc for the UK, featuring one less cut of the film compared to the US release. As exceptionally dim as the people running Paramount have shown themselves to be, however, one thing they've never done is taken a commentary track that was specifically conceived for one, and only one, official cut of one of their films, then switched it to another official cut of that film for the UK Home Video release. Quote:
The Unrated/Extended Cut, which is present on the US BD, has a running time of 123 minutes. |
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![]() First of all, Kuros, I said most new release Paramount Blu-ray titles have localized language options, which is correct. Eight of the ten examples you chose are not new release titles, but catalogue titles, which are handled very differently. Quote:
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Further, if we accept what you posit, that the UK version is identical to the US, and Paramount have hid the 123 minute cut with the commentary from the press release, then the BBFC would have to classify this third version. Since they have already classified all of the VAM and audio commentary, I would be surprised to see another cut pop up on their site between now and release. And one thing I don't recall, is seeing two separate non-US divisions of Paramount, fail to include news of a certain cut of a film that was clearly advertised on its US version, where said cut is relevant to all three divisions. |
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#46 |
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Well at least I could find out that all of the bonus features are present
![]() I don't care about which cut of the movie is on the discs. I'm a bonus features freak ![]() Disc 1: Bonus features (71m 41s) Disc 2: Teasers/trailers (10m 0s) Disc 2: Bonus features (158m 34s) Disc 2: Auditions (6m 28s) Disc 2: Menu (1m 38s) Disc 1: Menu (2m 21s) And that's about 4 hours of bonus features! ![]() |
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So, to investigate this further, I went and got the US set, and I've just finished watching the PG-13 version and the extended 123-minute version, and then the commentary.
First of all, after reading the consumer advice, I feel comfortable saying that the PG-13 version is not the UK theatrical version. Now, the 15 certificate is for "infrequent strong sex references and hard drug use". The "strong sex references" are said to include "a scene in which a man graphically explains different types of condoms, and a scene in which a man explains in detail how to perform oral sex on a woman". The PG-13 version has some of the condom scene, but it is longer and more detailed in the extended version. And most importantly, there is no scene in the PG-13 version where a man explains how to perform oral sex on a woman--at all. BUT, this scene is in the extended version, with Brian, during the news team argument, right before the car chase reporting scene. This "explanation" is very obvious, and is the clearest indication that this is a different version of the film to the PG-13 cut. Also, the "hard drug use" is said to have "a scene in which men are seen smoking crack, which is comically presented as part of a news investigation". Now, in the PG-13 version, this scene is shown, but there is no actual smoking of the crack shown. In the extended version, [Show spoiler] , and the scene is longer.Secondly, in the PG-13 version, there are some terms that have been overdubbed. The most obvious is that Veronica tells Linda she will shoot her in the "cooch", which has been overdubbed to "cooter" in the PG-13 version. Also, as has been mentioned, the scene with multiple uses of the word "vagina" has had all but one use of the word altered, and Brian's use of the word "ejaculate" has been changed to "man fluid" in the PG-13 version (these are both referenced explicitly in the commentary as something the MPAA forced them to change). Now, in the 123-minute extended version on the US BD, there are up to four uses of the word "f**k, the first being [Show spoiler] . Since the consumer advice is very clear that there is "one use of strong language ('f**k')" in the UK cinema version (and because of the run time difference), the UK version cannot be the extended version, either.So, it is pretty clear that the UK cinema version is indeed a fourth version of the film, which is not the US PG-13 version, or the 123-minute extended version, and clearly not the super-sized 143-minute version. Now, on the US BD, the audio commentary is only on the 123-minute extended version, but there are a few dead spots where the film audio comes through, and the commentary never references anything onscreen that is in the extended version, but not included in the BBFC 15 version, such as the additional uses of "f**k" or the use of [Show spoiler] .At the end of the credits, there is also a passing reference: "should we do a third one?", and someone interjects with "third commentary?" as if they have already done two audio commentaries. It might be nothing, but it's useful to note. I don't think it means they actually sat down and recorded two different commentaries that would appear on different releases, but you never know... So, if everything is accurate, I would say that the UK BD includes: The UK cinema version (with the commentary as advertised, and some/all dead air edited out) The Super-Sized R-rated version The US BD extras I may of course, be wrong. It all seems very complicated. But, it does at least appear that the UK cinema version is not identical to the US PG-13 version. Whether that version will be included on the UK BD, and whether the audio commentary will be intact (or indeed the same), is the more perplexing question. EDIT: Bah, it seems the UK may have been shafted. Something didn't sit right about the consumer advice for the super-sized version. I went back and confirmed that according to the BBFC: "this version of the film contains five uses of strong language (four uses of 'f**k' and one use of 'motherf**ker')." In order for the super-sized version to contain all of the content from the 123-minute version, it would have to include [Show spoiler] , which would usually be noted in consumer advice. I went back and checked the super-sized version on the US BD, and lo and behold, the line is not there. So, it does seem that the UK misses out on some unique content that is only in the 123-minute version, even if that content is brief. I'm sure there are other differences, but I just watched this movie three times, and I'm not about to watch the longer, more tedious version of it again. For all I know, the UK version could have content that is not in any of the US versions... All the versions of this movie make my head spin. ![]() Last edited by McCrutchy; 04-06-2014 at 11:14 PM. |
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Here are the covers of the Australian BD, which also has two cuts of the film. This is the largest size I can provide here, but it shows clearly that there is a theatrical version, and the super-sized version. No mention is made of a third version, but the commentary is specified on the theatrical version.
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#49 |
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So judging from the similar run times and the references on the commentary and elsewhere about the differences between the US and UK cuts, it seems the UK cut is the intended theatrical cut and the US ones had a handful of trims and substitutions for bits that couldn't get passed the MPAA at PG-13.
Shame we're missing out on a few minutes of extra scenes by not getting the unrated cut(even then we might get them included in our deleted scenes, though probably not) but at least we're getting the version of the film that was intended by the filmmakers. |
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Honestly,does anyone really give a toss?
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#56 |
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And bought,should arrive before the UK release and cheaper than it too
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