BD/HD DVD attach rate - Blu-ray Forum

w_tanoto · 11-12-2007, 05:10 PM

released by HD DVD promo group. guess what? I think it includes PS3 (although not stated) they are always annoying as they refused to count PS3 as player, but they count ps3 as player to calculate the attach rate.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...released.phtml

duglambier · 11-12-2007, 05:17 PM

This is not relevant.

HD-DVD is almost non-existent in some european countries.

There are almost 1,5 million PS3 in Europe alone. 0,6 attach rate means approximately 850 000 BR sold.

I am not sure Toshiba sold more than 200,000 HD-DVD standalone players accross Europe

JAGUAR1977 · 11-12-2007, 05:22 PM

The fact they're still spewing out this regurgitated rubbish shows how little they can boast about.

Beta-guy · 11-12-2007, 05:27 PM

I've said it b4 and I'll say it again, what's better having 1 unit that sells 1 million discs per unit or 800,000 units that sells 3 discs per unit, yeah the attach rate is lower but I'm not about to side with the side with only 1 unit because the attach rate is higher :P

the only reason they mention attach rates is because they are afraid to mention real sales... you the thing that actually means more money!

w_tanoto · 11-12-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I've said it b4 and I'll say it again, what's better having 1 unit that sells 1 million discs per unit or 800,000 units that sells 3 discs per unit, yeah the attach rate is lower but I'm not about to side with the side with only 1 unit because the attach rate is higher :P

the only reason they mention attach rates is because they are afraid to mention real sales... you the thing that actually means more money!

BDA should counter this as soon as possible, with real figure, and explain why the attach rate is low (PS3 - as HD DVD fans said, are not used as BD player)

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 11-12-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

BDA should counter this as soon as possible, with real figure, and explain why the attach rate is low (PS3 - as HD DVD fans said, are not used as BD player)

No, they should counter it by saying that if the PS3 is not a real player as they claim then the true attach rate is X. Belive me X is about 4X HD-DVDs attach rate.

JAGUAR1977 · 11-12-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

BDA should counter this as soon as possible, with real figure, and explain why the attach rate is low (PS3 - as HD DVD fans said, are not used as BD player)

There's no need to counter, it's for Europe, were HD-DVD is dead.

Those who have the format buy most of their movies from the US.

MatrixS2000 · 11-12-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

The fact they're still spewing out this regurgitated rubbish shows how little they can boast about.

I agree, they are just hoping some poor souls actually believe this stuff. All it takes is a little research to see what they are doing....

Include the PS3 in the attachment rate number, but don't include it in the player count. Too bad we are all onto this little deception...

Spankey · 11-12-2007, 07:30 PM

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Include the PS3 in the attachment rate number, but don't include it in the player count. Too bad we are all onto this little deception...

Then what would those player sales numbers be? HMMMM?

MatrixS2000 · 11-12-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spankey

Include the PS3 in the attachment rate number, but don't include it in the player count. Too bad we are all onto this little deception...

Then what would those player sales numbers be? HMMMM?

They don't want to say...or else THEIR attach rate numbers would not look so good for them.

Caladriusse · 11-12-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by duglambier

This is not relevant.

HD-DVD is almost non-existent in some european countries.

There are almost 1,5 million PS3 in Europe alone. 0,6 attach rate means approximately 850 000 BR sold.

I am not sure Toshiba sold more than 200,000 HD-DVD standalone players accross Europe

Well there have been 55,000 of the 360 add-ons so I'm predicting about another 30,000 of the Toshiba HD-DVD players. I have yet to see another HD-DVD player other than "that Toshiba one". In comparision there are two main Blu-ray players out here! The Sony one and the Samsung one. I don't think they're selling very well.....

SDG · 11-12-2007, 05:50 PM

I hope Tosh does not think about all of the 360's that died. The people that bought a add on, cant watch movies. That raises their atach rate.
Tosh news, 33,000 people were not able to watch or buy hd dvd movies cause their add on would not work. Our new atach rate is 20:1.
They can make up what ever news they want to. The people that buy into it are weak.

TO quote ICP, I think. Insain in the Membrain

Porscheman · 11-12-2007, 05:56 PM

not ICP..

Cypress Hill!

sphdle1 · 11-12-2007, 06:10 PM

The attach rate doesn't mean anything to the big studios. Just the sales of BD vs HD titles. The HDDVD guys have to find something to hold onto as they sink, so I think this thread should be renamed, "HD DVD Grasp at Straws rate"

SDG · 11-12-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Porscheman

not ICP..

Cypress Hill!

Thats rite. Been a while.

darinp2 · 11-12-2007, 05:55 PM

I wonder if once Toshiba has a bunch more laptops out there that can play HD DVDs, they will do attach rate calculations by counting the PS3s, but not the laptops. Toshiba knows that lowering their attach rates won't be a problem, or they wouldn't be putting out laptops with those drives or even selling players for $98 (which are likely to have a little bit lower attach rates overall than $299 players).

--Darin

Iron Man · 11-12-2007, 05:21 PM

Jesus christ, they just never stop......

What good is an attach-rate when the number of movies sold is much lower than Blu-ray.

In Denmark HD-DVD's from Universal and Paramount doesn't even have a danish cover and they are more expensive than Blu-ray because of low demand

DetroitSportsFan · 11-12-2007, 05:24 PM

They are clearly including PS3s in the attach rate figures.

I thought PS3s didn't count in total player numbers? I wish they could make up their little minds over in HD-Dead land.

Spankey · 11-12-2007, 05:29 PM

Attach Rate?! Are they still trying to baffle with this BS. If they sell 10 players and 10 movies per player, they have a 100% attach rate. If Blu-ray sells 1000 players and sells 10 movies per player, who would you say sold more movies?

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 11-12-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

They are clearly including PS3s in the attach rate figures.

I thought PS3s didn't count in total player numbers? I wish they could make up their little minds over in HD-Dead land.

Agree, they like to have it both ways.

Here's the shocking fact of this entire argument:

The attach rates for both formats are more than likely EXACTLY THE SAME. You have to filter out the people who have PS3s who do not use them for BDs or who don't even have HDTVs. But for those people who use the PS3 as a BD player, they probably behave just like owners of other BD players. Someone explain to me why there is any logic in assuming that BD people buy less discs than HD-DVD people. You can't because there isn't.

11-12-2007, 05:10 PM	#1
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	BD/HD DVD attach rate released by HD DVD promo group. guess what? I think it includes PS3 (although not stated) they are always annoying as they refused to count PS3 as player, but they count ps3 as player to calculate the attach rate. http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...released.phtml

11-12-2007, 05:50 PM	#12
SDG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Arkansas	I hope Tosh does not think about all of the 360's that died. The people that bought a add on, cant watch movies. That raises their atach rate. Tosh news, 33,000 people were not able to watch or buy hd dvd movies cause their add on would not work. Our new atach rate is 20:1. They can make up what ever news they want to. The people that buy into it are weak. TO quote ICP, I think. Insain in the Membrain Last edited by SDG; 11-12-2007 at 05:53 PM.

11-12-2007, 05:21 PM	#17
Iron Man Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Jesus christ, they just never stop...... What good is an attach-rate when the number of movies sold is much lower than Blu-ray. In Denmark HD-DVD's from Universal and Paramount doesn't even have a danish cover and they are more expensive than Blu-ray because of low demand Last edited by Iron Man; 11-12-2007 at 05:24 PM.

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11-12-2007, 05:17 PM	#2
duglambier Member Member since:Feb 2007	This is not relevant. HD-DVD is almost non-existent in some european countries. There are almost 1,5 million PS3 in Europe alone. 0,6 attach rate means approximately 850 000 BR sold. I am not sure Toshiba sold more than 200,000 HD-DVD standalone players accross Europe

11-12-2007, 05:22 PM	#3
JAGUAR1977 Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	The fact they're still spewing out this regurgitated rubbish shows how little they can boast about.

11-12-2007, 05:27 PM	#4
Beta-guy Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:23 Blu-ray reviews:1	I've said it b4 and I'll say it again, what's better having 1 unit that sells 1 million discs per unit or 800,000 units that sells 3 discs per unit, yeah the attach rate is lower but I'm not about to side with the side with only 1 unit because the attach rate is higher :P the only reason they mention attach rates is because they are afraid to mention real sales... you the thing that actually means more money!

11-12-2007, 05:56 PM	#13
Porscheman Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	not ICP.. Cypress Hill!

11-12-2007, 06:10 PM	#14
sphdle1 Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Nova Scotia, Canada	The attach rate doesn't mean anything to the big studios. Just the sales of BD vs HD titles. The HDDVD guys have to find something to hold onto as they sink, so I think this thread should be renamed, "HD DVD Grasp at Straws rate"

11-12-2007, 05:55 PM	#16
darinp2 Expert Member Member since:May 2007	I wonder if once Toshiba has a bunch more laptops out there that can play HD DVDs, they will do attach rate calculations by counting the PS3s, but not the laptops. Toshiba knows that lowering their attach rates won't be a problem, or they wouldn't be putting out laptops with those drives or even selling players for $98 (which are likely to have a little bit lower attach rates overall than $299 players). --Darin

11-12-2007, 05:24 PM	#18
DetroitSportsFan Hot Deals Moderator Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Michigan 4K collection:439 Blu-ray collection:2226 Trading Score:93	They are clearly including PS3s in the attach rate figures. I thought PS3s didn't count in total player numbers? I wish they could make up their little minds over in HD-Dead land.

11-12-2007, 05:29 PM	#19
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	Attach Rate?! Are they still trying to baffle with this BS. If they sell 10 players and 10 movies per player, they have a 100% attach rate. If Blu-ray sells 1000 players and sells 10 movies per player, who would you say sold more movies?

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