Letter (email) to Meridian... - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

welwynnick · 12-03-2007, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gremal

I like your letter, but frankly I gave up on Meridian when they failed to bring to market an SACD player. It became obvious that the company is more interested in politics and siding against Sony than in serving audiophiles.

Overlooking SACD was nothing to do with Sony, it was an intentional part of their strategy that was driven by technical doctrine and nothing else. Bob Stuart and Meridian have been the most committed of all developers and supporters of PCM audio. They didn't do SACD because they beleived that PCM was the way to go instead of DSD. There are several technical white papers on the Meridian web-site that explain this. Since BD makes good use of linear and lossless compressed PCM audio, Meridian (who developed MLP of course) are well-aligned.

regards, Nick

DaViD Boulet · 12-03-2007, 01:02 PM

Just got a response:

David

Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I am not sure where you read this, but Meridian has not yet made any announcements about for which, if any, formats it will build players. Certainly the battle still rages!

I am not sure about your comments about HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray as regards ultimate quality. Both are capable of full bandwidth high-resolution audio, but I think your points on authoring are well made.

Best Regards

Bob Stuart

CptGreedle · 12-03-2007, 01:23 PM

Well it looks like a good sign. They told you directly thy are not committing to building a player on one side or the other. Although they are a little short-sighted about the quality of HD-DVD (already maxed out its potential while BD has more capability), I think you may have helped them realize they should wait until the winning format is more dominant.

Lets hope they support BD in the near future.

Esox50 · 12-03-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Just got a response:

David

Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I am not sure where you read this, but Meridian has not yet made any announcements about for which, if any, formats it will build players. Certainly the battle still rages!

I am not sure about your comments about HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray as regards ultimate quality. Both are capable of full bandwidth high-resolution audio, but I think your points on authoring are well made.

Best Regards

Bob Stuart

But, but, but...Amir said at CES last year...

HD DVD = pathetic.

Maximus · 12-03-2007, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Just got a response:

David

Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I am not sure where you read this, but Meridian has not yet made any announcements about for which, if any, formats it will build players. Certainly the battle still rages!

I am not sure about your comments about HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray as regards ultimate quality. Both are capable of full bandwidth high-resolution audio, but I think your points on authoring are well made.

Best Regards

Bob Stuart

Not such a good friend of Amir's then...

It isn't surprising, the HD DVD market wouldn't support Meridian, it has already pitched itself as the budget HD format, something companies like Meridian, Denon and the like are very aware of.

radagast · 12-03-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Just got a response:

David

Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I am not sure where you read this, but Meridian has not yet made any announcements about for which, if any, formats it will build players. Certainly the battle still rages!

I am not sure about your comments about HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray as regards ultimate quality. Both are capable of full bandwidth high-resolution audio, but I think your points on authoring are well made.

Best Regards

Bob Stuart

Do you think you should educate him in regards to the audio differences between the two formats?

DaViD Boulet · 12-03-2007, 09:20 PM

I think Bob knows a thing or two. And he's right that both formats spec for lossless packing for TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, as well as PCM. And I was right that the practical result of the lower bandwidth/space on HD DVD often means the lossless audio option is omitted.

Living Near Shamu · 12-03-2007, 09:24 PM

Who is Amir?

DaViD Boulet · 12-04-2007, 02:06 PM

The plot thickens:

http://www.avrevforum.com/showthread.php?t=992

Lotus:

Quote:

http://media.meridian-audio.com/pres...ddvd-ces07.pdf

That would be the source, Meridian themselves.

They state there that no information about a player(s) will be announced until they have a handle on it. I've been told to expect the possibility of a prototype at CES in 2008, but it may get pushed to CEDIA 2008.

Bob is very close to the vest on this because he has helped both HD DVD and BD with some technical issues. He wasn't too happy with the HD DVD Promotional Group in the first place for leaking his player in a press release. He hates products being announced before they're ready or meet his standards. So he released the press release from Meridian saying they've joined the HD Promotional Group, but they also slipped in "working with MS on high end players," which does just enough to say that the HDPRG weren't lying, but then adds on at the end "we're not ready to say anything."

I have more on this, but they hate information being spread before they're ready to talk about it. Just know that they are working on a high end player that would make Meridian fans proud.

Esox50 · 12-04-2007, 02:17 PM

Wow do Amir and HD DVD look bad in this whole thing or what?

Sometimes, I wonder how many good laughs they provide to industry folks like Maxpower1987, people who know what is really going on...

Living Near Shamu · 12-04-2007, 02:43 PM

This is becoming very interesting. If Meridian in fact is releasing an HD DVD player, will the BDA come to Bob Stuart and ask him to maybe build a BDP as well?

CptGreedle · 12-04-2007, 02:46 PM

I hope they are not working on an HD DVD player, or if they are that they are going to also release a BD player.
It would be foolish to not make a player for the better selling format!

DaViD Boulet · 12-04-2007, 03:39 PM

http://media.meridian-audio.com/pres...ddvd-ces07.pdf

According to the press release (linked above) January 11, 2007, Meridian did indeed announce their work on high-end HD DVD players and that they had joined the promotional group.

It's quite possible that Bob Stuart's response to me mentioning that they had not announced plans was not a denial of product, but rather just keeping the corporate-lid on their product strategy. This close to CES would make sense to take that point of view.

It's also quite possible that "Lotus", the most active pro HD DVD participant over at AVrev, is Amir himself. Read his posts and it certainly sounds that way.

mark_d_drake · 03-10-2008, 02:33 AM

Hi

Anyone up for pinging Bob now..

I'd love to see a Meridan Blu-Ray Player

Audio Set up

Meridian 565/562
DSP5000 and DSP5000C M2500 SubWoofer
Meridian M30 Analogue rear channels.
Meridian M2s with M207 CD transport in the office
Pair of M30's sitting in the garage awaiting restoration

Yes I love Meridian

12-04-2007, 03:39 PM	#53
DaViD Boulet Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray reviews: 1	http://media.meridian-audio.com/pres...ddvd-ces07.pdf According to the press release (linked above) January 11, 2007, Meridian did indeed announce their work on high-end HD DVD players and that they had joined the promotional group. It's quite possible that Bob Stuart's response to me mentioning that they had not announced plans was not a denial of product, but rather just keeping the corporate-lid on their product strategy. This close to CES would make sense to take that point of view. It's also quite possible that "Lotus", the most active pro HD DVD participant over at AVrev, is Amir himself. Read his posts and it certainly sounds that way. Last edited by DaViD Boulet; 12-04-2007 at 03:41 PM.

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12-03-2007, 01:02 PM	#42
DaViD Boulet Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray reviews: 1	Just got a response: David Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I am not sure where you read this, but Meridian has not yet made any announcements about for which, if any, formats it will build players. Certainly the battle still rages! I am not sure about your comments about HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray as regards ultimate quality. Both are capable of full bandwidth high-resolution audio, but I think your points on authoring are well made. Best Regards Bob Stuart

12-03-2007, 01:23 PM	#43
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Well it looks like a good sign. They told you directly thy are not committing to building a player on one side or the other. Although they are a little short-sighted about the quality of HD-DVD (already maxed out its potential while BD has more capability), I think you may have helped them realize they should wait until the winning format is more dominant. Lets hope they support BD in the near future.

12-03-2007, 09:20 PM	#47
DaViD Boulet Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray reviews: 1	I think Bob knows a thing or two. And he's right that both formats spec for lossless packing for TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, as well as PCM. And I was right that the practical result of the lower bandwidth/space on HD DVD often means the lossless audio option is omitted.

12-03-2007, 09:24 PM	#48
Living Near Shamu Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Austin, TX Trading Score:42	Who is Amir?

12-04-2007, 02:17 PM	#50
Esox50 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 4K collection:420 Blu-ray collection:492	Wow do Amir and HD DVD look bad in this whole thing or what? Sometimes, I wonder how many good laughs they provide to industry folks like Maxpower1987, people who know what is really going on...

12-04-2007, 02:43 PM	#51
Living Near Shamu Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Austin, TX Trading Score:42	This is becoming very interesting. If Meridian in fact is releasing an HD DVD player, will the BDA come to Bob Stuart and ask him to maybe build a BDP as well?

12-04-2007, 02:46 PM	#52
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	I hope they are not working on an HD DVD player, or if they are that they are going to also release a BD player. It would be foolish to not make a player for the better selling format!

03-10-2008, 02:33 AM	#54
mark_d_drake Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Silicon Valley Blu-ray collection:1941 DVD collection:455 Digital collection:378 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:159	Hi Anyone up for pinging Bob now.. I'd love to see a Meridan Blu-Ray Player Audio Set up Meridian 565/562 DSP5000 and DSP5000C M2500 SubWoofer Meridian M30 Analogue rear channels. Meridian M2s with M207 CD transport in the office Pair of M30's sitting in the garage awaiting restoration Yes I love Meridian

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