The Fifth Element 4K UHD (1997) (20th Anniversary Edition)

[Pyoko]

I'll have to upgrade Dracula once I go UHD, and probably Leon too if they release that, but I'll pass on TFE as I wasn't impressed by the BD. My hunch is still that the Gaumont was from the OCN and the last two Sonys some inferior element in their possession with baked-in harshness.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'd want the first MiB, not bovvered about the other two. I'd buy the shit out of a Raimi Spider-Man UHD trilogy though, which I think we'll get to coincide with Homecoming (theatrical or video, depends on how they want to time it).

I have the MiB "mastered in 4k" disc and while it has excellent detail and whatnot the movie looks surprisingly drab for such a whimsical blockbuster. At least that was my impression last I saw it. I remember MiB 3 being super colorful by comparison, it would probably benefit more from UHD.

Originally Posted by Pyoko

I'll have to upgrade Dracula once I go UHD, and probably Leon too if they release that, but I'll pass on TFE as I wasn't impressed by the BD. My hunch is still that the Gaumont was from the OCN and the last two Sonys some inferior element in their possession with baked-in harshness.

I haven't seen it in action but the Gaumont looks a lot worse than the Sony to me in caps, despite the Sony's rough edges.

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Drewbee87

Was wondering when they'd start releasing their "Mastered in 4K" line on UHD BD. Another release to add to the top of my to buy list when I upgrade to UHD BD. Glad I have the Mastered in 4K Blu-ray for now though, looks absolutely amazing on my setup.

Technically they already started...
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Labyrinth
Ghostbusters (80's)
Ghostbusters II

[Opips3]

I own remastered 5th Element BDs, original audio Dolby TrueHD 5.1 is very good.

I'm happy.

I want Elysium UHD 4K with Atmos soundtrack from Dolby Cinema Theatre released.

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I haven't seen it in action but the Gaumont looks a lot worse than the Sony to me in caps, despite the Sony's rough edges.

I don't entirely disagree, essentially I believe it to be a case of Gaumont: better source/worse transfer and Sony: worse source/better transfer. A shame we couldn't get the best of both for the new 4K master.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I have the MiB "mastered in 4k" disc and while it has excellent detail and whatnot the movie looks surprisingly drab for such a whimsical blockbuster. At least that was my impression last I saw it. I remember MiB 3 being super colorful by comparison, it would probably benefit more from UHD.

I saw MiB theatrically and it always had something of a subdued look to it, and although the subject matter may be whimsical it's certainly presented with more of a grittier 'real world' approach which is what I love about MiB. You keep going on about accuracy re: HDR, so if the UHD of MiB ends up looking like some candy coloured extravaganza then I'm gonna be disappointed.

I haven't seen it in action but the Gaumont looks a lot worse than the Sony to me in caps, despite the Sony's rough edges.

The Gaumont's highlights are blown out but I love the colour and it doesn't have the chronically sharpened look that's always been on the Sony transfers to one degree or another.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I saw MiB theatrically and it always had something of a subdued look to it, and although the subject matter may be whimsical it's certainly presented with more of a grittier 'real world' approach which is what I love about MiB. You keep going on about accuracy re: HDR, so if the UHD of MiB ends up looking like some candy coloured extravaganza then I'm gonna be disappointed.

I'm not saying it should look different on UHD, I'm saying I probably wouldn't buy it since it's not really as flashy a movie as you'd thing.

You keep knocking me on the purism stuff, but last I checked it was part of the foundation of home theater. Weird how UHD has turned that into some kind of scarlet letter.

[Geoff D]

Velvet, you know I've got me some properly calibrated SDR 709 settings but UHD is the 'Wild West' as someone described it, so designs on accuracy are great and good and noble but they've basically been thrown under the bus in this initial phase of UHD. So at this time, people are either steering clear of it altogether or are doubling down on this unregulated insanity, it doesn't do to come to this format without wanting to embrace the dark side. I had my doubts as you well know, but now I'm a true believer.

The weird thing is, just lately I've found myself tweaking certain Blu-ray movies this way and that anyway, not because I'm chasing the UHD dragon but because I genuinely dislike how they look, e.g. the overbearing digital edginess of Fifth Element or the thin-ass blacks in ST Beyond.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Velvet, you know I've got me some properly calibrated SDR 709 settings but UHD is the 'Wild West' as someone described it, so designs on accuracy are great and good and noble but they've basically been thrown under the bus in this initial phase of UHD. So at this time, people are either steering clear of it altogether or are doubling down on this unregulated insanity, it doesn't do to come to this format without wanting to embrace the dark side. I had my doubts as you well know, but now I'm a true believer.

The weird thing is, just lately I've found myself tweaking certain Blu-ray movies this way and that anyway, not because I'm chasing the UHD dragon but because I genuinely dislike how they look, e.g. the overbearing digital edginess of Fifth Element or the thin-ass blacks in ST Beyond.

Well I think we can dip our toes in and realize it won't be entirely accurate but do the best we can, rather than go whole hog. I'm not mocking you at all though, you do what's best for you. You just seem to keep pointing out the purism thing as if it's a weird mindset lately. It's super common and understandable in HT circles, as far as I know.

I use a much higher backlight than theater accurate settings would be, I haven't used a pro-calibrated set in almost three years and I love some remasters that change little things like Star Trek TNG's did, so I'm not some purism nazi. I just think it's a good idea to have your head in that space for the most part while you stretch out, which everyone in this section (me included) is doing.

[Geoff D]

...and in that vein I've made sure to check the colour temperature, white point, greyscale and primaries/secondaries of my UHD output with a colourimeter and HCFR to make sure it's as close to what can currently be objectively measured & quantified as a UHD 'standard', so I'm not straying as far from the reservation as you might think. I'm just saying that with this format as it stands today there's nothing wrong with easing up on the ol' purism reins a lil' bit. I won't tell the home theater gods if you won't.

You're totally a purism nazi when it comes to audio though.

[Opips3]

Many remastered Blu-ray movies. It's possible to destroy the original picture and audio?

Remastered is a good improvement...on Blu-ray.

Or television 8bit rec.709 is limited for 1080p. Why not on 4K with rec.709??

My theory, same picture... It's good offer HDR rec.2020 is better important for 4K television.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...and in that vein I've made sure to check the colour temperature, white point, greyscale and primaries/secondaries of my UHD output with a colourimeter and HCFR to make sure it's as close to what can currently be objectively measured & quantified as a UHD 'standard', so I'm not straying as far from the reservation as you might think. I'm just saying that with this format as it stands today there's nothing wrong with easing up on the ol' purism reins a lil' bit. I won't tell the home theater gods if you won't.

Sure. My main point was just that you don't need to poke my purism button. I know we're all leaning off the cliff a bit, but starting from a thought toward purism is what we're both doing. It's all good.

You're totally a purism nazi when it comes to audio though.

Heh. Probably not, since I listen to movies made for 5.1+ in stereo! I'm more a nazi about including classic mono and stereo tracks!

[Tru-way]

Will have to update my avy with UHD disc as soon as I get this.

[Ray_Rogers]

Yet another title to upgrade to UHD. Same with Bram Stoker's DRACULA, Close Encounters and some others. Is Sony taking a memorandum for the titles they want to release on the format such as Jerry Maguire but see how much it sells before doing so at a later date?
My guess is many of the Mi4K titles will be eventually released onto UHD, we just don't know exactly what process and order it is.

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

Yet another title to upgrade to UHD. Same with Bram Stoker's DRACULA, Close Encounters and some others. Is Sony taking a memorandum for the titles they want to release on the format such as Jerry Maguire but see how much it sells before doing so at a later date?
My guess is many of the Mi4K titles will be eventually released onto UHD, we just don't know exactly what process and order it is.

Best buy has a new Jerry Maguire bd out now.
Comes with the OST

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

Yet another title to upgrade to UHD. Same with Bram Stoker's DRACULA, Close Encounters and some others. Is Sony taking a memorandum for the titles they want to release on the format such as Jerry Maguire but see how much it sells before doing so at a later date?
My guess is many of the Mi4K titles will be eventually released onto UHD, we just don't know exactly what process and order it is.

I think with Dracula and Fifth Element it was simply a matter of UHD not being ready yet. With Jerry Maguire I think it's more in the realm of being a movie they don't expect much UHD interest in (right or wrong). Someone who worked on Jerry Maguire was in the BD thread for it and said they basically had to pull teeth to even get a BD release for the new master because Sony wasn't interested.

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think with Dracula and Fifth Element it was simply a matter of UHD not being ready yet. With Jerry Maguire I think it's more in the realm of being a movie they don't expect much UHD interest in (right or wrong). Someone who worked on Jerry Maguire was in the BD thread for it and said they basically had to pull teeth to even get a BD release for the new master because Sony wasn't interested.

The 4K Remaster was released in JP and HK but just not domestically. It was another one of those "Superbit" Blu-ray releases without any bonus features. Glad I held off on importing either.
My other opinion is perhaps Sony and other companies are seeing how well the truly mastered in 4K and above are doing sales-wise before releasing UHD versions. Because I know for a fact I don't want to own any movie which was mastered in lower than 4K on UHD cause it'd just be an upscale and not native resolution.
(It's also because I'd only own Jason Bourne on UHD cause it's true 4K and not the prior entries since they're not sourced from 4K. Goes for hundreds of possible and current UHD titles.)

[StingingVelvet]

They put Laybrinth out on both the same day. I really think it just depends on the movie. Jerry Maguire isn't a movie they wanted to put out on BD here, so why would they do a UHD? Know what I mean? The disc market is still strong for certain things but not catalog romance movies.

[swarm87]

Ive been waiting for this, really hope theres a steelbook somewhere

[benhoppel]

The current Sony 4K is from the IP, I think. They should go back to the OCN.