Justice League 3D Blu-ray (2017) [Region Free] [Theatrical Cut only]

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Thanks Suntory Times. That is disappointing to hear about the 3D being what sounds like an unimpressive afterthought. What about the action scenes too? That's a bummer but I trust your review. Thanks for the warning on the 3D. I wasn't too happy with WW's 3D conversion, and aside from a few better 3D shots here and there, it just didn't give any great impression of 3D space in my view, compared to Marvel's best 3D efforts.

Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman's 3D were both very good, medium to strong 3D conversions. I was hoping for the same with Justice League 3D. Oh well. Sounds like DC Comics doesn't really care as much about the 3D.

Also sorry to hear you didn't enjoy the movie.

EDIT: While I hear the movie is getting mixed reviews as with the prior ones (which I enjoyed/was entertained by) I'm guessing the 3D here is still better than the 3D in Man of Steel, which was mostly very mild to mild 3D, with some medium layered 3D. If you mentioned that film, then I would be more disappointed, but at least Wonder Woman's 3D was decent, though still comparably disappointing to the strong 3D of Thor 3 3D or GOTG 2 3D, Ant-Man 3D, even Spider-Man Homecoming's 3D among other Marvel films with positive 3D.

I think Man of Steel's 3d was somewhat similar in effect. It's been to long to say for certainty, but I think part of that is JL looks very much so like a made for tv film in terms of its cinematography. There are a few nice moments in 3d with some okay pop out. Now my local cinema charges no premium so in that case i'd argue 3d is probably the way to go. But I certainly wouldn't recommend the cinema premium in this case.

I did forget to mention in a group hero shoot near the end there is one of the most cardboard cutout looking 3d effects we have seen since the very early conversions. I'm guessing some of this is down to having less time to do the conversion as within the last few months there seemingly was quite a bit of reshooting.

The film simply has an identity crisis. It feels it odd being so light in tone right after Batman v Superman with what is happening, which given the end of world story it is also telling makes it hard to invest in anything that is happening. GOTG2 for example is light hearted, but it is firstly actually funny, and more importantly it gets you invested in the characters and what is happening. Whereas this film seems to be going down the "ohh super hero x showed up and did the thing to do" and then waits for an audience applause. It just feels really odd, it also seemed to drop most of the musical queues or dramatically remix them from past films which given how good those themes are is a damn shame (the only piece of music I can remember from the film is the Wonder Woman intro remix).

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

I think Man of Steel's 3d was somewhat similar in effect. It's been to long to say for certainty, but I think part of that is JL looks very much so like a made for tv film in terms of its cinematography. There are a few nice moments in 3d with some okay pop out. Now my local cinema charges no premium so in that case i'd argue 3d is probably the way to go. But I certainly wouldn't recommend the cinema premium in this case.

I did forget to mention in a group hero shoot near the end there is one of the most cardboard cutout looking 3d effects we have seen since the very early conversions. I'm guessing some of this is down to having less time to do the conversion as within the last few months there seemingly was quite a bit of reshooting.

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The film simply has an identity crisis. It feels it odd being so light in tone right after Batman v Superman with what is happening, which given the end of world story it is also telling makes it hard to invest in anything that is happening. GOTG2 for example is light hearted, but it is firstly actually funny, and more importantly it gets you invested in the characters and what is happening. Whereas this film seems to be going down the "ohh super hero x showed up and did the thing to do" and then waits for an audience applause. It just feels really odd, it also seemed to drop most of the musical queues or dramatically remix them from past films which given how good those themes are is a damn shame (the only piece of music I can remember from the film is the Wonder Woman intro remix).

Thanks for giving more details on the 3D. Yes, reshoots at the last minute can definitely affect the quality of the 3D, forcing a fast, cheap and mild conversion if that's the case.

Yes, Man of Steel's 3D from years ago, is unfortunately a poor example of 3D layering due to a cheap, mild conversion for much of that film. I like the film and the action/effects, but not the milder 3D in it. Things improved for other DC films since, but it would be sad if they let the quality of the 3D slide back to Man of Steel quality for Justice League in this day and age where 3D conversion technology can offer much stronger 3D thanks to the tools and skill of the stereographers/conversion artists using them.

Is it as mild as Resident Evil Final Chapter 3D or Underworld Blood Wars 3D?
Blood Wars's 3D being only slightly better in my view.

[xbs2034]

I saw it at the 6pm showing, 3D trailers were Pacific Rim and Jumanji. While it definitely wasn't the most planned for conversion, and probably had issues with the reshoot rush (which showed in some CGI shots), I'd say it was in the middle of the DC 3D road. I'd put it as better than Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, was some pop out (most noticeable with the Batarang shot shown in the trailers, but also some rain and debris), and 3D worked best in underwater scenes with Aquaman and slow motion with The Flash, but a lot of the dialogue scenes were in the mild territory.

Too bad that I felt Suicide Squad has the best 3D of the DCU films, cause I hated the movie. This movie, while certainly not perfect, I had a lot of fun with. Honestly, I was expecting some of the issues to be worse (the villain was often brought up, and I thought he was more generic than outright bad, Wonder Woman and especially Suicide Squad had a bigger villain problem IMO), and I know some will disagree, but I was definitely in favor of the two hour runtime and more streamlined story as I've felt a lot of recent superhero films were too long.

I do agree with the made for TV look at times though unfortunately. The 1.85 ratio didn't help with that either as they moved the masking in for a significantly smaller screen size.

[Zivouhr]

Suntory, that is cool the theater offers 3D for free. Is that the newer theater you mentioned awhile back, with stadium seating compared to the flat chair theater? I remember those in the past. If you sat behind someone tall, you had to turn your head to the side just to see, potentially blocking the person behind you.

Originally Posted by xbs2034

I saw it at the 6pm showing, 3D trailers were Pacific Rim and Jumanji. While it definitely wasn't the most planned for conversion, and probably had issues with the reshoot rush (which showed in some CGI shots), I'd say it was in the middle of the DC 3D road. I'd put it as better than Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, was some pop out (most noticeable with the Batarang shot shown in the trailers, but also some rain and debris), and 3D worked best in underwater scenes with Aquaman and slow motion with The Flash, but a lot of the dialogue scenes were in the mild territory.

Too bad that I felt Suicide Squad has the best 3D of the DCU films, cause I hated the movie. This movie, while certainly not perfect, I had a lot of fun with. Honestly, I was expecting some of the issues to be worse (the villain was often brought up, and I thought he was more generic than outright bad, Wonder Woman and especially Suicide Squad had a bigger villain problem IMO), and I know some will disagree, but I was definitely in favor of the two hour runtime and more streamlined story as I've felt a lot of recent superhero films were too long.

I do agree with the made for TV look at times though unfortunately. The 1.85 ratio didn't help with that either as they moved the masking in for a significantly smaller screen size.

Thanks for the review xbs2034!
So while it sounds it's not as good as BvS's or SSquad's 3D, it's not as mild as much of Man of Steel's 3D; sounds like medium range 3D layers. That's hope enough to see it in 3D, though I'll have to pay extra for the 3D, but will take the chance to support 3D as long as it's not a mostly mild 3D conversion like Man of Steel's 3D.

One challenge is trying to convince friends to see it in 3D and pay the extra cost, hoping the 3D is exciting and full, not flat like a pancake. Then it gets tougher to convince them to see the next 3D film, having seen disappointingly mild 3D films in the past that are almost 2D.

Suicide Squad, I went in expecting an Expendables type film with humor, and with that point of view, I was entertained. You're right, the 3D in that one is one of DC's best in terms of 3D conversions, with BvS's 3D being good too.

[Biss Skyler Bluray]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Suntory, that is cool the theater offers 3D for free. Is that the newer theater you mentioned awhile back, with stadium seating compared to the flat chair theater? I remember those in the past. If you sat behind someone tall, you had to turn your head to the side just to see, potentially blocking the person behind you.



Thanks for the review xbs2034!
So while it sounds it's not as good as BvS's or SSquad's 3D, it's not as mild as much of Man of Steel's 3D; sounds like medium range 3D layers. That's hope enough to see it in 3D, though I'll have to pay extra for the 3D, but will take the chance to support 3D as long as it's not a mostly mild 3D conversion like Man of Steel's 3D.

One challenge is trying to convince friends to see it in 3D and pay the extra cost, hoping the 3D is exciting and full, not flat like a pancake. Then it gets tougher to convince them to see the next 3D film, having seen disappointingly mild 3D films in the past that are almost 2D.

Suicide Squad, I went in expecting an Expendables type film with humor, and with that point of view, I was entertained. You're right, the 3D in that one is one of DC's best in terms of 3D conversions, with BvS's 3D being good too.

i liked the 3d in Batman V. Superman Dawn of Justice too, the shot with gun in the beginning of film was like right in front of my face especially in the IMAX format.

[GreatGreg]

What I don't understand is why so many of you like the 'in-your-face' 3D over the more subtle use of 3D.

I do not want 3D shoved in my face and would much prefer the more subtle and natural 3D.

Disappointed to hear that JL is a dud though.

[reewinder]

Went and got my 3D tickets for a late night Friday showing. Regal Cinemas is giving away an exclusive Funko Pop Flash Unmasked figure to the first 60 people that buy 2 3D tickets. They almost weren't going to give me one since my tickets are for tomorrow. I told them it said first come first served and they still said no but on my way out I ran into the theater's general manager and she made sure I got one since we're some of their best customers. For those of you going to Regal Cinemas make sure to ask if they have any of these left.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by GreatGreg

What I don't understand is why so many of you like the 'in-your-face' 3D over the more subtle use of 3D.

I do not want 3D shoved in my face and would much prefer the more subtle and natural 3D.

Disappointed to hear that JL is a dud though.

To me upper medium to strong simply looks better and is more engaging to me. Many of the dialogue scenes here simply are very flat. More subtle isn't more natural, as there is nothing natural about watching films in 2d or 3d. What matters is what is most engaging, and to me that is pushing towards stronger 3d. Strong 3d doesn't mean you have to have things poking you in the eye and the like, but using 3d both going in and out of the screen effectively is important. The gun for example in Batman V Superman felt like it was aimed at the audience and it was done to help highlight the moment, as it is very important to the character.

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Thanks for giving more details on the 3D. Yes, reshoots at the last minute can definitely affect the quality of the 3D, forcing a fast, cheap and mild conversion if that's the case.

Yes, Man of Steel's 3D from years ago, is unfortunately a poor example of 3D layering due to a cheap, mild conversion for much of that film. I like the film and the action/effects, but not the milder 3D in it. Things improved for other DC films since, but it would be sad if they let the quality of the 3D slide back to Man of Steel quality for Justice League in this day and age where 3D conversion technology can offer much stronger 3D thanks to the tools and skill of the stereographers/conversion artists using them.

Is it as mild as Resident Evil Final Chapter 3D or Underworld Blood Wars 3D?
Blood Wars's 3D being only slightly better in my view.

The 3d and the film is better then the latest underworld and RE films. The new cinema indeed doesn't charge a premium, though it has crosstalk issues. But the older cinema basically rarely plays 3d at this point, which is a shame as it handled the 3d better (less crosstalk) even with the seating issues.

[Damon1281]

Originally Posted by GreatGreg

What I don't understand is why so many of you like the 'in-your-face' 3D over the more subtle use of 3D.

I do not want 3D shoved in my face and would much prefer the more subtle and natural 3D.

Disappointed to hear that JL is a dud though.

Maybe because we almost never get it. Personally, depth only seems more gimmicky to me, particularly movies with extreme depth where an object 3 miles away looks significantly farther away than an object 2.9 miles away. I'd rather feel like I'm in the movie.

[cinerama]

Our local newspaper gave it 1.5 stars. I was curious what rotten tomatoes gave it, 40% for critics, 86% for audience.

[danoldrati]

HI
My newspaper gave it 1.5 also. I just came back from seeing it and I like the film. The 3D was fun and the story was OK. I wasn't expecting too much and got more than I expected.
Works for me. LoL
Should look good on home video the aspect ratio is 1:85.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Biss Skyler Bluray

i liked the 3d in Batman V. Superman Dawn of Justice too, the shot with gun in the beginning of film was like right in front of my face especially in the IMAX format.

That was a cool shot, along with the snow flakes. The layering was nicely done there as one example, yes.

Originally Posted by GreatGreg

What I don't understand is why so many of you like the 'in-your-face' 3D over the more subtle use of 3D.

I do not want 3D shoved in my face and would much prefer the more subtle and natural 3D.

Disappointed to hear that JL is a dud though.

It's actually very rare these days, as Damon mentioned, to see 3D pop outs, so we don't mind seeing them when they're there, but definitely also appreciate the 3D layering and dimensions most of all, since that is what most of the film will contain.

Originally Posted by AdamR

Strong 3D is natural 3D to me though.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

[Show spoiler]To me upper medium to strong simply looks better and is more engaging to me. Many of the dialogue scenes here simply are very flat. More subtle isn't more natural, as there is nothing natural about watching films in 2d or 3d. What matters is what is most engaging, and to me that is pushing towards stronger 3d. Strong 3d doesn't mean you have to have things poking you in the eye and the like, but using 3d both going in and out of the screen effectively is important. The gun for example in Batman V Superman felt like it was aimed at the audience and it was done to help highlight the moment, as it is very important to the character.

The 3d and the film is better then the latest underworld and RE films. The new cinema indeed doesn't charge a premium, though it has crosstalk issues. But the older cinema basically rarely plays 3d at this point, which is a shame as it handled the 3d better (less crosstalk) even with the seating issues.

Glad to hear it's better than RE:FC and U:BW's 3D. That's a relief. If you said just as weak, I might think twice about seeing this in 3D. Thanks.

Originally Posted by danoldrati

HI
My newspaper gave it 1.5 also. I just came back from seeing it and I like the film. The 3D was fun and the story was OK. I wasn't expecting too much and got more than I expected.
Works for me. LoL
Should look good on home video the aspect ratio is 1:85.

Cool, thanks Danoldrati. Glad you liked the 3D.

I agree that going in with low expectations is the best way to enjoy not only a movie, but life itself. "Expect the worst, and hope for the best".

[EVERRET]

We saw this last (Thursday) night at a Cinemark XD 3D Theater

The movie and the 3D was better than i expected , The 3D was a mixed bag but it had just enough pop outs , 3D spacing , and "made you duck" moments to make it worth the 9pm late night 3D showing. I prefer the 1:85:1 open mask aspect ratio for 3D movies...... this should look great at home.

The credits showed Gener8 responsible for the 3D conversion https://www.gener8.com/

There was also a few 3D Trailers this time ,

Pacific Rim - OK 3D
Jumanji - Good 3D
Star Wars - Good 3D

We had a Very fun time , the packed in audience was really into the movie with a lot of laughing and clapping throughout the movie with big applause at the end. The people near me enjoyed the 3D.

There are 2 post credit scenes..... so stick around.

[Zivouhr]

Everret, thanks for the 3D review. Sounds like you enjoyed it overall.

I agree, Pacific Rim Uprising's 3D trailer is medium 3D at best based on that first main trailer. Not quite living up to what Pacific Rim 1's 3D offered.

Gener8, thanks. They are a smaller conversion studio and don't get as many big projects as Stereo D or Prime Focus. Will be interesting to see their latest conversion work.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=290628
Above is a link to the film's they've worked on.

Two endings, thanks for the tip.

[Dubstar]

I have to say what I saw this afternoon was simply jaw dropping. Between having the unmasked full screen AND the thunderous Dolby Atmos mix [which puts to shame MCU's Disney sound mixers Atmos' mixes], visually and aurally this was an insane blast and the 3D imagery was icing on the cake~ just don't ask me about the script which I thought was an entirely different matter.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

I have to say what I saw this afternoon was simply jaw dropping. Between having the unmasked full screen AND the thunderous Dolby Atmos mix [which puts to shame MCU's Disney sound mixers Atmos' mixes], visually and aurally this was an insane blast and the 3D imagery was icing on the cake~ just don't ask me about the script which I thought was an entirely different matter.

Cool. Thanks for the info.

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

visually and aurally this was an insane blast and the 3D imagery was icing on the cake~ just don't ask me about the script which I thought was an entirely different matter.

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[noirjunkie]

That cast list contains quite the spoiler.

[reewinder]

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

That cast list contains quite the spoiler.

Lol.....

[Show spoiler]or it's the cast of Blade Runner 2049

[Zivouhr]

Will post a review soon.

Originally Posted by Paul H

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Thanks Paul. That's good to see.
Their listing of the actors is funny though. They listed the wrong cast from that listing.