Christopher Nolan and Paul Thomas Anderson Declare War on Motion Smoothing - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

chip75 · 09-12-2018, 03:19 PM

If TVs defaulted to Movie mode most consumers would return them.

I would like to know how this "reference mode" is capable of displaying content as the creators' intended without calibration?

Movie modes are getting more and more accurate (and most of them have post-processing turned off), but most people watch content in mixed environments, there's never going to be a one mode to rule them all mode. The closet I've seen is Nu-Vision displays that have a Day/Night button.

Lord Method Man · 09-12-2018, 03:21 PM

Turning that shit off is literally the first thing I do when setting up a new TV.

Lord Method Man · 09-12-2018, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chip75

I would like to know how this "reference mode" is capable of displaying content as the creators' intended without calibration?

It can't. Calibration needs to be done once the TV is set up in the room its going to be used in with the lighting that will be present, etc. You can't just have a one size fits all "reference" setting.

eselv73 · 09-12-2018, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hubunkey

I have a Sony Bravia that does that and I hate it. I don't have a remote for it so idk how to fix it

Uhhh.. buy a remote on ebay?

Star Lord · 09-12-2018, 04:48 PM

iirc back in 2009 motion flow was sold as a top feature of LED TVs

imsounoriginal · 09-12-2018, 04:51 PM

I remember being in Best Buy and they were showing Iron Man, it was the scene when he's flying with the jets while talking to Rhodey in the op center. But that MotionFlow was on ALL THEIR DAMN TVs and made the scene unwatchable. Blech.

stvn1974 · 09-12-2018, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

The Dark Knight, nuff said.

The end.

Nolan is the man.

And the DVD, BD, and UHD of The Dark Knight all look like shit. He can't even get his films to look good so why should I care what he thinks about motion smoothing?

scifisuperfan · 09-12-2018, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stvn1974

And the DVD, BD, and UHD of The Dark Knight all look like shit. He can't even get his films to look good so why should I care what he thinks about motion smoothing?

Thats the truth. Dark Knight BluRay trilogy is garbage with or without motion smoothing activated. The problem is the bad PQ. But at least the IMAX scenes are not so bad. Problem is Batman Begins has no IMAX. I am talking about BluRay. Not the 4k versions. And the remastered Batman Begins disk.

imsounoriginal · 09-12-2018, 07:36 PM

Dark Knight UHD looks fine, Rises UHD is one of the best I've seen.

jacobsever · 09-12-2018, 08:01 PM

Fun story:

I worked at Best Buy in Burbank, California for a year. (North side of LA). It had a Magnolia Home Theater inside of it, which at the time, was where you'd find super upscale tvs, projectors, sound systems, etc. Back then, the demo movie was The Dark Knight. That's what all the demo TVs inside Magnolia were screening, because of it's superb picture quality.

A man walks in and is looking around. He stops and watches a bit of the movie (which had the motion smoothing setting turned on), and stops a passing employee. He asks them:

"Hey, why does this look so weird? The movement of everything seems off. It doesn't look right."

Employee, clearly knowing nothing: "Oh, that's just the way the director intended it to look."

Man: "You don't know who I am, do you?"

Employee: "Umm, no?"

Man: "My name is Christopher Nolan. I directed this movie, and this is not what I want it to look like."

Needless to say, that employee was fired. And from there forward, all of the motion smoothing settings were turned off from our display TVs.

Hellraiserfan · 09-12-2018, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why soooo sssssssserious?

Apparently Nolan personally did something wrong to him as well as his family. Never seen someone with as much as an unjustifiable hate towards a film maker. Well there have been a few but he's ridiculous and yet can't keep away.

Steedeel · 09-12-2018, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

Apparently Nolan personally did something wrong to him as well as his family. Never seen someone with as much as an unjustifiable hate towards a film maker. Well there have been a few but he's ridiculous and yet can't keep away.

I find it odd. Even if one doesn’t like him, there is no denying his talent. TDK was a utter treat from start to finish and I left the cinema on a high. When a film does that, the director has my respect.

Impossible · 09-12-2018, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

I find it odd. Even if one doesn’t like him, there is no denying his talent. TDK was a utter treat from start to finish and I left the cinema on a high. When a film does that, the director has my respect.

Have you ever thought that maybe he's just joking and stirring the stans up?

stvn1974 · 09-12-2018, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

I find it odd. Even if one doesn’t like him, there is no denying his talent. TDK was a utter treat from start to finish and I left the cinema on a high. When a film does that, the director has my respect.

And I dislike that film. See other have different views than you. I pointed them out on the day of the films release and was harassed and told I was a troll so since then I have decided to go with it.

Steedeel · 09-12-2018, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Impossible

Have you ever thought that maybe he's just joking and stirring the stans up?

Well jokes are one thing. To keep it going for this amount of time? Also, where is the joke in the first place? He doesn’t like a director? Hahahahahahahaha

Steedeel · 09-12-2018, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stvn1974

And I dislike that film. See other have different views than you. I pointed them out on the day of the films release and was harassed and told I was a troll so since then I have decided to go with it.

I don’t believe there are any movie fans out there that didn’t like TDK. I believe you are a Alien from the planet Steve.

LegacyCosts · 09-12-2018, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well jokes are one thing. To keep it going for this amount of time? Also, where is the joke in the first place? He doesn’t like a director? Hahahahahahahaha

In a flawed world where TDK is considered a masterpiece, I find his Nolan trolling quite charming.

On topic motion smoothing is garbage, listen to PTA. He knows.

Steedeel · 09-12-2018, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

In a flawed world where TDK is considered a masterpiece, I find his Nolan trolling quite charming.

On topic motion smoothing is garbage, listen to PTA. He knows.

TDK is a masterpiece.

Poya · 09-12-2018, 10:58 PM

I think every thread about Nolan should be locked. It’s just getting too damn much. His stans and haters have become equally ridiculous.

Impossible · 09-12-2018, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

TDK is a masterpiece.

It's a great film but it is almost totally ruined by that ferry bullshit so I can see why some people don't like it.

09-12-2018, 03:19 PM	#41
chip75 Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Oct 2010 Location:Wales 4K collection:304 Blu-ray collection:3102 DVD collection:1783 iTunes collection:233 Trading Score:9	If TVs defaulted to Movie mode most consumers would return them. I would like to know how this "reference mode" is capable of displaying content as the creators' intended without calibration? Movie modes are getting more and more accurate (and most of them have post-processing turned off), but most people watch content in mixed environments, there's never going to be a one mode to rule them all mode. The closet I've seen is Nu-Vision displays that have a Day/Night button.

09-12-2018, 03:21 PM	#42
Lord Method Man Special Member Member since:Apr 2014 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:4	Turning that shit off is literally the first thing I do when setting up a new TV.

09-12-2018, 04:48 PM	#45
Star Lord Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2017 Location:Knowhere 4K collection:34 Blu-ray collection:177	iirc back in 2009 motion flow was sold as a top feature of LED TVs

09-12-2018, 04:51 PM	#46
imsounoriginal Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:NYC 4K collection:322 Blu-ray collection:950 DVD collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:59	I remember being in Best Buy and they were showing Iron Man, it was the scene when he's flying with the jets while talking to Rhodey in the op center. But that MotionFlow was on ALL THEIR DAMN TVs and made the scene unwatchable. Blech.

09-12-2018, 07:36 PM	#49
imsounoriginal Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:NYC 4K collection:322 Blu-ray collection:950 DVD collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:59	Dark Knight UHD looks fine, Rises UHD is one of the best I've seen.

09-12-2018, 08:01 PM	#50
jacobsever Blu-ray Knight Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Denver, CO 4K collection:158 Blu-ray collection:732 DVD collection:6 Trading Score:13	Fun story: I worked at Best Buy in Burbank, California for a year. (North side of LA). It had a Magnolia Home Theater inside of it, which at the time, was where you'd find super upscale tvs, projectors, sound systems, etc. Back then, the demo movie was The Dark Knight. That's what all the demo TVs inside Magnolia were screening, because of it's superb picture quality. A man walks in and is looking around. He stops and watches a bit of the movie (which had the motion smoothing setting turned on), and stops a passing employee. He asks them: "Hey, why does this look so weird? The movement of everything seems off. It doesn't look right." Employee, clearly knowing nothing: "Oh, that's just the way the director intended it to look." Man: "You don't know who I am, do you?" Employee: "Umm, no?" Man: "My name is Christopher Nolan. I directed this movie, and this is not what I want it to look like." Needless to say, that employee was fired. And from there forward, all of the motion smoothing settings were turned off from our display TVs.

09-12-2018, 10:58 PM	#59
Poya Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jun 2011 Location:NY, NY 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:2 Trading Score:12	I think every thread about Nolan should be locked. It’s just getting too damn much. His stans and haters have become equally ridiculous.

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