Ben-Hur 4K

[JEDGAR1000]

Originally Posted by RICKBONDOO7

The Wild Bunch 1969 50th anniversary too ! It's time for the Upgrade, 4K UHD Please WB !

Mel Gibson is rebooting it, so if we don't get it next year, we'll probably get it when the remake comes out.

[RICKBONDOO7]

mel gibson sucks ! drunkerd !

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by RICKBONDOO7

mel gibson sucks ! drunkerd !

Lol wasn’t that forever ago?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

This isn’t even that grainy a movie, they shouldn’t feel the need to manage anything. Operative word being “shouldn’t.”

If I'm being perfectly honest the grain on 2001 looks a little bit 'crawly' to me, like they took a little off the top, but that could just as well have been Nolan's intervention as much as anything. I think Judah's Big Day Out will be fine.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

that could just as well have been Nolan's intervention as much as anything

There you go, casually casting aspersions and seeding FUD. Doesn't Geoffy-VisionTM philosophy school teach you to follow the evidence and avoid speculation?

[Geoff D]

By Nolan's own hand the UHDs of his movies got "grain managed" to varying degrees. We know that he was consulted on the 2001 UHD. I can't recall the last Warners UHD I saw outside of these titles that had that 'crawly' look to the grain, maybe they did it on 2001 to offset the difference between the OG neg and the dupes that were cut in over the years but it still reeks of Nolan to me, as do the incredibly thin black levels which, again, are a constant feature of his personally-overseen UHD transfers. Does it constitute "evidence"? No, but it's one heck of a coincidence.

[CarlosMeat]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

By Nolan's own hand the UHDs of his movies got "grain managed" to varying degrees. We know that he was consulted on the 2001 UHD. I can't recall the last Warners UHD I saw outside of these titles that had that 'crawly' look to the grain, maybe they did it on 2001 to offset the difference between the OG neg and the dupes that were cut in over the years but it still reeks of Nolan to me, as do the incredibly thin black levels which, again, are a constant feature of his personally-overseen UHD transfers. Does it constitute "evidence"? No, but it's one heck of a coincidence.

If it walks like a duck ,quacks like a duck it must be Nolan. On the subject of grain look at a couple of places one is the solid blue areas with the menu and the first space walk solid red mag hold areas on the logo. They have an odd sort of swarming insects look to them. Certainly much more digital than film like.

Sorry this is the Ben Hur thread...

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If I'm being perfectly honest the grain on 2001 looks a little bit 'crawly' to me, like they took a little off the top, but that could just as well have been Nolan's intervention as much as anything. I think Judah's Big Day Out will be fine.

I really think they “took a little off the top” of Blade Runner, Unforgiven, the first two Harry Potters, and The Matrix too. And when I go back to WB BD transfers that blew me away on my old TV (such as Gone with the Wind) on my new set-up, the “management” is now very apparent. I have a feeling this is just WB’s MO, which is why they remain one of my least favorite studios for catalog 4K.

[Member-167298]

Why would Nolan, who is one of the last major champions of celluloid, want to "grain manage" his home video releases?

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

Why would Nolan, who is one of the last major champions of celluloid, want to "grain manage" his home video releases?

There's no way we're getting an answer to this without at least 90 minutes of exposition.

[CarlosMeat]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

Why would Nolan, who is one of the last major champions of celluloid, want to "grain manage" his home video releases?

I don't know is this a riddle ?

[Gacivory]

Nolan arguments resurrected in a different thread?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

Why would Nolan, who is one of the last major champions of celluloid, want to "grain manage" his home video releases?

Because, in the words of RAH: "Chris is an analogue fetishist, to a point of distraction, and second, he has no concept as to how digital technology works, or how it interrelates with the analogue world".

In other words, he loves film but really doesn't know how best to translate it into the digital realm. He transfers his movies from interpositive, NEVER from negative, and as IPs often have coarser, dupier grain flecked with characteristic yellow/blue colour noise then it's my belief that it didn't play nicely with HDR so he instructed that the grain be toned down. Most of the time it works okay on his UHDs but sometimes it doesn't, e.g. https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...116905&i=1&l=0

[TheSweetieMan]

Some men just want to watch the world melt.

[Geoff D]

I saw him playing with a DNR dial the size of a tangerine.

[Fang Zei]

Makes me wonder how that shot looked after going through the DMR process for the 15/70 prints, since that too would’ve been based on a scan from the photochemically-timed IP.

So ironic how Nolan values the photochemical process and yet everything he shot in 35mm had to go through the computer anyway just so it could be seen in imax.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Fang Zei

Makes me wonder how that shot looked after going through the DMR process for the 15/70 prints, since that too would’ve been based on a scan from the photochemically-timed IP.

So ironic how Nolan values the photochemical process and yet everything he shot in 35mm had to go through the computer anyway just so it could be seen in imax.

Indeedy, which is what baked my gourd when he insisted on optically blowing up the 5-perf shots in Dunkirk to 15-perf, rather than taking them through the DMR chain with a fat 8K scan. The man values the analogue process to the point of it being deleterious to the image because the optical 5-perf enlargements looked like boiled shit in the 15/70 prints and I'm not being hyperbolic or a Nolan-hater here, they really did look absolutely terrible for colour, contrast, grain, detail, everything. When I saw the DCP the 5-perf stuff looked so much better it wasn't even funny, thankfully the UHD retains that quality.

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Nolan arguments resurrected in a different thread?

Yeah, never fails. Sad.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by CarlosMeat

My favorite film of all time. So much greatness in so many places.

Really?

[King Crimson]

I hope ALL 70mm films are released on 4K at some point. But this and Lawrence are day one!