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Old 01-31-2008, 07:24 PM   #1
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It is a shame that more people are not purchasing Pioneer Plasma’s. Pioneer makes the best quality 720P and 1080P flat panel screens compared to any other brand. Most consumers are interested in price rather then picture quality. Hopefully in the future more consumers will purchase Pioneer Plasma’s so the demand increases. I would hate to one day be limited to under $1,000 1080P LCD screens. Under $1,000 1080P LCD screens are ok for other rooms in the house to save money but for the main room nothing beats a Pioneer Plasma flat panel (accept high-end ceiling mounted front projector)

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Pioneer Electronics on Thursday said its fiscal third-quarter consolidated operating revenue declined 1.7 percent, due in part to decreased sales of plasma displays and DVD recorders.”

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Old 01-31-2008, 07:27 PM   #2
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I wouldnt say they are better than everyone out there, owning the PRO-150FD they make wonderful tv's but in my opinion nobody is hands down the best. but yeah its ashame when good products arent selling.
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:42 PM   #3
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They are the best. However, they are simply too expensive.

I could afford to blow $5000+ on a 50" display, but in the end I went with a 700U from Panasonic instead. Saved several thousand dollars, and I'm perfectly happy.
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:45 PM   #4
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They are the best. However, they are simply too expensive.

I could afford to blow $5000+ on a 50" display, but in the end I went with a 700U from Panasonic instead. Saved several thousand dollars, and I'm perfectly happy.
Every year as technology improves they keep falling in price. I remember when they use to be $15,000 or more. Pioneer has a niche market that targets the high-end videophile.
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:40 PM   #5
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They are the best. However, they are simply too expensive.

I could afford to blow $5000+ on a 50" display, but in the end I went with a 700U from Panasonic instead. Saved several thousand dollars, and I'm perfectly happy.
+1

They are overpriced. My 700U Panasonics are the next best thing for thousands less.
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Old 02-03-2008, 12:30 AM   #6
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+1

They are overpriced. My 700U Panasonics are the next best thing for thousands less.
Same here! I could afford what ever I want, but in doing some research I bought a crap load of Panasonic's because of how well they are rated. Also, I tend to change my electronics almost every year (already replaced 2 Panny's less than 6 months old), so the price I'm paying for the Panasonic's is enough for the short time I will have them. As a matter of fact, a friend is buying a Panasonic plasma 42" 720p from me tomorrow that's only 3 months old and he getting it $500 cheaper than it sells in the store for still.

I'm currently waiting to get a Panasonic 70" or greater (no not the 103 or 150 ) when and if they produce one.
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:25 AM   #7
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Costco has a panny 700u for 1999.99 1080p...same as the ones in retailers?
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Old 02-02-2008, 06:20 PM   #8
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They are the best. However, they are simply too expensive.

I could afford to blow $5000+ on a 50" display, but in the end I went with a 700U from Panasonic instead. Saved several thousand dollars, and I'm perfectly happy.
I avoid panasonic at all cost yuck

Pioneer 1080p 60" Plasma Widescreen HDTV** (PDP-6010FD)
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Old 02-02-2008, 06:44 PM   #9
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I avoid panasonic at all cost yuck

Pioneer 1080p 60" Plasma Widescreen HDTV** (PDP-6010FD)
Regular Price:
$7,999.99
On Sale: $6,999.99
After $1,000.00 instant savings at bestbuy
just found out
That's still way too much for what many are actually paying for the 6010. You can get it for far cheaper than that from one of the avsforum sponsors, like over $2,000 less. J&R also has it for $4,599.99. If you bought it at bestbuy, go back and pricematch it for J&R's price.

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That's still way too much for what many are actually paying for the 6010. You can get it for far cheaper than that from one of the avsforum sponsors, like over $2,000 less. J&R also has it for $4,599.99. If you bought it at bestbuy, go back and pricematch it for J&R's price.

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4187412
I believe he is talking about Canada. We regularly have to deal with outrageous prices.

Last week the 6010 was $5999 at Best Buy and Future Shop (owned by Best Buy).

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I avoid panasonic at all cost yuck
A friend of mine (hi Jeff!) recently bought the 50" Panasonic 750 series, and "yuck" is not a word I would use to describe the picture. Yes, I prefered the Pioneer, but the Panny is damned fine.
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A friend of mine (hi Jeff!) recently bought the 50" Panasonic 750 series, and "yuck" is not a word I would use to describe the picture. Yes, I prefered the Pioneer, but the Panny is damned fine.
I have a friend (Rich) and he's saving his pennies (all 750000 of them) to get a 60" Kuro! Way to go Rich. Yes, the Panasonic 750U is amazing out of the box... holeeee crap it blows away most LCD's for $3100. The colors and motion are awesome... it's better by a mile than my previous LCD. :-) AND the pioneer is still better.

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I wouldnt say they are better than everyone out there, owning the PRO-150FD they make wonderful tv's but in my opinion nobody is hands down the best. but yeah its ashame when good products arent selling.
They have the best black level and ANSI contrast ratio compared to any other flat panel so far.

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Am sure I speak for the majority of consumers that we all want the best like the Pioneer plasmas. But sometimes it's just simply not affordable or a television as costly as their's just isn't high on most consumers' financial priorities.
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Am sure I speak for the majority of consumers that we all want the best like the Pioneer plasmas. But sometimes it's just simply not affordable or a television as costly as their's just isn't high on most consumers' financial priorities.
+1. I'm just a regular old college student - but I might just pick up the 5080 - that TV makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside - at 2200 now, but if a sale drops it to 2000ish, byebye Philly, helloooo Pioneer.
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I would love to have an elite, but come on, $6000 for a 50in. Not many people including myself can afford that. and if I could, would I really want to spend that much on a HDTV? I don't know. But I would love to have one, maybe if they were about $4000.
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I agree with everyone else's assessment. The Kuro lines are beautiful TV's. But who can really afford a 1080P Plasma for $5000+. The TV I want in my sig. is now $3000 at CC. I may just make the plunge and purchase. For another $2-3k I can get a Kuro. Instead, that money can go towards the Onkyo 805 Receiver, Speakers, and Profile 1.1 or 2.0 stand alone with money left over for movies.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:13 PM   #18
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I agree with everyone else's assessment. The Kuro lines are beautiful TV's. But who can really afford a 1080P Plasma for $5000+. The TV I want in my sig. is now $3000 at CC. I may just make the plunge and purchase. For another $2-3k I can get a Kuro. Instead, that money can go towards the Onkyo 805 Receiver, Speakers, and Profile 1.1 or 2.0 stand alone with money left over for movies.
Call Crutchfield, and see what they can do for you. No tax and no shipping, and their prices have been dropping. I bought the KDS-55A3000 there for $1800. Give them a shot.
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I bought my first plasma, the Pioneer 503CMX six years ago and it was the best HT purchase I'd ever made...until I replaced it with the 5010 this month.

I agree that Pioneers should dominate plasma sales and put LCDs out of business. I never understood the mentality of saving more money just to buy a less enjoyable product you are going to use every day.
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It is a shame that more people are not purchasing Pioneer Plasma’s. Pioneer makes the best quality 720P and 1080P flat panel screens compared to any other brand. Most consumers are interested in price rather then picture quality. Hopefully in the future more consumers will purchase Pioneer Plasma’s so the demand increases. I would hate to one day be limited to under $1,000 1080P LCD screens. Under $1,000 1080P LCD screens are ok for other rooms in the house to save money but for the main room nothing beats a Pioneer Plasma flat panel (accept high-end ceiling mounted front projector)

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Pioneer Electronics on Thursday said its fiscal third-quarter consolidated operating revenue declined 1.7 percent, due in part to decreased sales of plasma displays and DVD recorders.”

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6527558.html
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