Oliver Stone's JFK 4K UHD (1991)

[offworldnexus]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

Hope we get the theatrical cut.

At the 22:30 mark, the version that is talked about with the scratches is the theatrical cut, as that's the one on Max.

[HBAngel]

I have seen the theatrical cut countless times going back to the then excellent laserdisc. I just re-watched the Director Cut recently. While the added scenes are good, they do weigh down what is a perfectly paced and edited theatrical version. The directors cut features some breaks in the music cues that are jarring and slow the narrative thrust. Really hope the theatrical is included.

Edit - also need a steelbook with the original poster art

[offworldnexus]

Originally Posted by Jorvic

The Blu-ray isn't very good, so nice to see that a 4K UHD of this is finally on the way.

Even if the Theatrical is superior, I've sort of got used now to the Director's Cut.

JFK is so mesmerising that it tends to (rather unfairly) cast a shadow over Nixon, which I still think is in the upper tier of Stone's films.

The Director's Cut is pointless. The talk show and airport scene add nothing. The first time I saw JFK was the Directors Cut and when I saw the theatrical on Max im never going back. It paces MUCH better

[Starman22]

I seen this movie once for the first time and so great movie. So great news coming to 4K UHD.

[Doc Samson]

One of my favourite films of all time. Can't wait for this!

[JBL]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

It's told from his point of view and what he believed, but it's also embellished and even Stone acknowledges this by referring to the film as the "Counter-myth" to the Warren Commission Report.

Regardless, even if certain aspects of it are bunk, the film itself is so compelling that I willingly allow myself to get caught up in the nonsense aspects of it any time I watch.

It is not set on what Garrison 'believed,' it was set on what EVIDENCE that he gained! For instance, Clay Shaw WAS a CIA asset and protected by them. What are the odds? Oswald's history is still protected and crafted from on angle only - that he was born to be a Communist! Maybe he was...

What does not belong to Garrison comes Jim Marrs book "Crossfire," which again, is based on actual documents and witness statements. The only thing that is really some form of conjecture is the "Mr. X" parts, but even he was a real life man names Fletcher L. Prouty, who was a WWII vet and a Colonel. So he was not low level guy.

The FACT remains, that JFK was REMOVED from office via VIOLENCE, not via a so-called democracy. The coup (of course) took away any democracy.

[Markgway]

Theatrical cut with original stereo, please.

Director's cut option as a bonus.

[Dr. T]

Isn't this one that could be handled with seamless branching?

[GRSN]

Yes! more Kevin Costner/Oliver Stone on 4K Blu-ray.

hopefully it's WB releasing this, not paying for an expensive Scratch Factory edition.

[James Luckard]

I'll be thrilled to finally get a proper version of the theatrical cut.

I'm glad to see the original, shorter, superior version of the film getting so much love here. I'm usually the only one arguing for the merits of the original shorter cuts of movies.

My comments from the BD thread:

Originally Posted by James Luckard

I absolutely loathe the changed title cards at the end of the extended cut, they ruin the impact of the film, because they were written after the film came out and had a huge effect, and they describe that effect. They put the film we're watching at that moment into the past tense, which is bizarre, and they ruin the stark poetry of the original cards, which just say the files will be locked up for 75 years, or words to that effect. I don't care if that information isn't true anymore, that ending of the film was breathtaking, and I want it back in something better than the appalling standard def streaming version.

I'm also not a fan of any of the added scenes. The film was exactly the right length originally, it drags with 20 extra minutes.

I'm fine if they include the extended cut as a bonus feature, but the theatrical cut needs to be preserved for its historical importance.

I agree with offworldnexus, the talk show and airport scenes are totally pointless filler. The De Morenschildt scene is vaguely interesting, but the movie is so colossally long and complicated as it is that yet another narrative nugget is just too much.

Also, the director's cut introduces a continuity error. The scene of Costner and Jay O. Sanders in the book depository, looking out at the motorcade route and talking about the tree blocking the line of sight being a Texas Live Oak, is moved and extended. As a result, in the director's cut they talk about Clay Shaw at a point in the movie when that character hasn't yet been introduced.

[NeilZ]

Originally Posted by GRSN

Yes! more Kevin Costner/Oliver Stone on 4K Blu-ray.

hopefully it's WB releasing this, not paying for an expensive Scratch Factory edition.

It does sound like this is going to come from Shout in their upcoming November announcements.

[Agent Kay]

Knowing Stone it will have a super final mega final cut

[CreasyBear]

In my all-time top 10. Can't wait.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

I'll be thrilled to finally get a proper version of the theatrical cut.

I'm glad to see the original, shorter, superior version of the film getting so much love here. I'm usually the only one arguing for the merits of the original shorter cuts of movies.

My comments from the BD thread:



I agree with offworldnexus, the talk show and airport scenes are totally pointless filler. The De Morenschildt scene is vaguely interesting, but the movie is so colossally long and complicated as it is that yet another narrative nugget is just too much.

Also, the director's cut introduces a continuity error. The scene of Costner and Jay O. Sanders in the book depository, looking out at the motorcade route and talking about the tree blocking the line of sight being a Texas Live Oak, is moved and extended. As a result, in the director's cut they talk about Clay Shaw at a point in the movie when that character hasn't yet been introduced.

Not just you

[CreasyBear]

Either version is a masterpiece.

[Kyle15]

This announcement blew my mind.

[NeilZ]

I'm surprised some people actually still doubt the revelations from the story. Just watch JFK Revisited and it makes it clear if anything, there was even more to it than what we saw back in 1991.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by JBL

How is it garbage as history when it is about Jim Garrison's experiences? What happened to him is what happened to him. Jim was former military, former FBI and a D.A. If you cannot believe a guy with all of those credentials and inside knowledge - who can you believe?

Even if you believe Garrison - and you shouldn't, he's a moron - the film is still a total work of fiction. Mr. X? Didn't exist. Last-minute defections from the team? Didn't happen.

Originally Posted by NeilZ

I'm surprised some people actually still doubt the revelations from the story. Just watch JFK Revisited and it makes it clear if anything, there was even more to it than what we saw back in 1991.

JFK Revisited is just as fictional as JFK, if not moreso.

[DNSK]

Originally Posted by starman15317

I was just thinking about how I don't own this film and noticed that it's OOP. Hopefully we see this really soon.

I just recently did the same exact thing.

[NeilZ]

Originally Posted by koberulz

Even if you believe Garrison - and you shouldn't, he's a moron - the film is still a total work of fiction. Mr. X? Didn't exist. Last-minute defections from the team? Didn't happen.

JFK Revisited is just as fictional as JFK, if not moreso.

So testimonies and evidence is fictional to you.

Must be a nice world to live in to think JFK was killed by a magic bullet that pranced around moving back and forth. The intelligence communities thank you for your trust in them.