Will Toshiba be sued?

[WickyWoo]

Oh I'm positive someone will try to file a civil suit

Which will be tossed, or Toshiba will settle by giving them all a combo player

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by Paden

LOL! OK, I guess I better watch out or I'll be sued myself. I see what's happening here, the shutting down of Blu support on AVS is pretty meaningless now so they've got some of their former Toshiba shills working this site now.

Oh man, how perdictable can you get? The classic "Your an HDDVD/AVS shill" We all know when someone has run out of arguement, in comes the personal attack. Of course, I need to own an HDDVD to be some kind of shill eh? Oh crap, what or those 2 pesky PS3's with 100+ blu rays doing in my house?

Originally Posted by Paden

As to my being ignorant of the law, you ought to know something about an individual before you make baseless claims. I'm certain there will be a lawsuit and I'm certain it will come out as I've suggested. The ONLY way Toshiba can stop it from happening is if they basically settle it before it occurs.

Oh stop, just because a lawsuit is launched, does not mean it has merit. Perhaps merit is lost on you. This lawsuit will not see the light. They dont need to get sued, they simply needed to go away because they had an inferior format. See??? The market corrected the error OMG capitalism! Oh the noes!!

Originally Posted by Paden

Lastly, beyond responding to your personal attack, I wanted to point to this quote I saw in another thread here. It was from a CNBC report.

Challenging your knowledge of the law is a personal attack?

[Slec]

Gentlemen....
Are we really fighting over whether or not Toshiba will be sued and the merits of said unfiled lawsuit? Would either of you participate in such a suit? No? Then the point is moot. let it drop, discuss the above without regard of who the poster is...

[GarettP]

I am not sure why we should really worry about it, we all chose blu, they made their choice and now they have to live it, just because their format of choice is basically dead, I could care less, I am enjoying all the news that has a bluish tint to it!

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by Slec

Gentlemen....
Are we really fighting over whether or not Toshiba will be sued and the merits of said unfiled lawsuit? Would either of you participate in such a suit? No? Then the point is moot. let it drop, discuss the above without regard of who the poster is...

I tried to discuss the mertis of the suit, but he did not like my answer, so now I am a paid shill.

Such are forums.

[mightypen]

Originally Posted by Paden

And frankly, I see a legitimate claim here. One could argue that Toshiba knowingly sold an inferior product with the express intent of maintaining their old line royalties associated with DVD. For that matter, I could see M$ brought in as co-defendant on this as they've been complicit in every phase, trying to deny Blu-ray from becoming the new standard such that their business line, digital downloads, could take hold.

The fact that they did so with bribes and other nefarious means (paid shills on the internet, buying web sites like AVS, etc.) will all be points in the lawsuit. I think it's possible. The truth is consumers have wasted billions of dollars on a product that had a lifespan of less than 3 years. Some were tricked into a purchase only a few months ago so Toshiba could unload inventory. At least that's how I'd play it if I were leading the case against them.

Thoughts?

Are you a lawyer?

This "case" would be 12B6'd in a heartbeat.

The machines do what they are advertised to do-play hd-dvd movies and upscale dvd movies. The machine can literally play what 10,000, 20,000 movies without issue and hundreds of hddvd releases? (I have no idea honestly of the number of dvd releases)

What warranties, were violated by Toshiba?

Unless there is a technical defect in these machines, a lawsuit is going nowhere.

[w_tanoto]

unlikely to get sued, but I'd love to sue them if I were an HD DVD owner.

Even samsung got sued for not providing firmware updates, and this toshiba case is bigger

[UKTruBlu]

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...-death-ma.html

ANYBODY SEEN THIS STORY YET.

[CloudyFuture]

Originally Posted by Xerious

no. but i wouldn't be surprised if some pimply faced red ant ginger kid decides he wants to sue them. he'll probably put up a petition first and then try to get someone to get a class action suit going. if someone does sue Toshiba, someone should sue M$it for ending Xbox 1 support so fast...

a petition to continue hd-dvd support by toshiba has been started....there is also one for universial and paramount to stay hd-dvd exclusive (seen them over the amazon hd-dvd forums and hdd).....they have also started emails and calls to toshiba to stick it out and continue to fight....think one hd-dvder said toshiba should watch some John Wayne movies (like the almo) to get inspired.....

I think the loyalist (ie diehards that mention that downloads are the future) to hd-dvd will not sue just go on there merry way....I think they are just to loyal to microsoft or toshiba or just hate sony that much...like they say they will either stick with sd-dvd, go to downloads, or pirate movies now....as for the others that did not know what was going on or what have you.....guess we will see.....

[GarettP]

Originally Posted by UKTruBlu

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...-death-ma.html

ANYBODY SEEN THIS STORY YET.

I will never watch movies on my computer, screen is not big enough, and don't/won't have surround for my computer!

[CloudyFuture]

Originally Posted by UKTruBlu

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...-death-ma.html

ANYBODY SEEN THIS STORY YET.

ya it was over at avs....the orginial story was a blog post that went into detail on why blu-ray would fail....course it got ripped to shreds all over the internet by blu-ray supporters....still hd-dvders think this is true.....

[ForceMd]

There is absolutely zero basis for such a lawsuit. I think anyone who attempts to file such a lawsuit will have a hard time finding a lawyer to represent them based on the arguments that were mentioned in this thread. As many have said already, the product performed as advertised. It played HD-DVDs and DVDs within the advertised specifications. HD-DVD could have had a whopping 3 titles to choose from, but as long as all HD-DVD players played these discs, then there is no foul. (trust me, I actually paid $700 for a Panasonic 3DO; a CD based game system that came out just before the Playstation and promised a new era of "interactive gaming". I played a total of 3 games on the system, and owned 2. these were the best out of the (around)10 total games ever available for the system).

[clyon]

Originally Posted by GarettP

I will never watch movies on my computer, screen is not big enough, and don't/won't have surround for my computer!

^^^ the Only time I have used my computer (17" widescreen laptop) to watch a movie, is when I have lost power.
Downloads are the future when every household has super high speed internet, when everyone has a 100 tyraquade HDD, when you can get a 50 tyraquade ubs back-up HHD for $100, when 'they' can guaranty that your not going to also get a virus or spyware with that movie, when you can wirelessly conect your computer to your tv seamlessly & when everyone knows how to use it, even your 100 year old grandmother.

[Paden]

Originally Posted by Izzy

I tried to discuss the mertis of the suit, but he did not like my answer, so now I am a paid shill.

Such are forums.

No, your first post on this subject was a personal attack calling me stupid. It got ugly after that. I recommend you check the tone you use with people as I noted another thread in which you immediately called someone else dumb. Hence, I'm finished with you.

To others here, I still believe there will be a lawsuit and it will end up being settled. I know the product in question delivered what it promised in terms of being able to play HD-DVD movies and I agree with all the "buyer beware" sentiment expressed here. Still, if I were looking to press this, I'd argue that Toshiba sold millions of units well after they knew their product wouldn't have software for it in the very near future. I appreciate everyone's feedback. Time will tell.

[mtmw1863]

What about the shareholders of Toshiba who could sue?

[Paden]

Originally Posted by mtmw1863

What about the shareholders of Toshiba who could sue?

Stranger things have happened. I doubt this will happen as they have the option of firing the dopes who got them into this position.

[kjack]

Originally Posted by Paden

I appreciate everyone's feedback. Time will tell.

I can see your viewpoint. And maybe that's why they been pushing their players as upconverting DVD players recently.

OTOH, there cannot be a guarantee that a new product or technology will be successful since success or failure is dependent on factors outside the company's control. Products are thrown out on the market all the time to see if they'll be successful or not. And downloads fall into this category. There are several schemes being implemented, each different. Will some fold? Absolutely...

[cajun1975]

Originally Posted by meckel

In today's world someone will try. If it would see the inside of a courtroom is a different story

You can bet someone will indeed try. I'd say before the year is up.

[cartier]

Originally Posted by mtmw1863

What about the shareholders of Toshiba who could sue?

No, it is very difficult for shareholders to sue, especially since it was just a failed venture. If they did not like the direction the company was going they could put forth a measure during a share holders meeting or they could sell their stock. They assumed the risk of ownership and the possibility that the company would lose money.

[mightypen]

Originally Posted by cartier

No, it is very difficult for shareholders to sue, especially since it was just a failed venture. If they did not like the direction the company was going they could put forth a measure during a share holders meeting or they could sell their stock. They assumed the risk of ownership and the possibility that the company would lose money.

Anyone happen to know Japanese law for shareholder derivative suits?