has anybody seen the new panasonic plasmas yet?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

It was back in 2003, when not much was being broadcast in HD, and there was a test loop HD (on the HD channel) from the TV stations to fill in when the show was not available in HD, the network logo appeared in the bottom corner, but there was no commercial break where the logo was removed for a period of time. It was an ex demo TV, got it a little cheaper for $15,000 at the time, knowing it had the slight burn in, you can only see it when the whole screen in white.

Ex-demo TV. Say no more.

Originally Posted by Chevypower

There is some proof for you Celsior, these guys want you to believe the new plasmas are "magic". I am not saying the new ones will burn in with normal use, in fact, I would be surprised if it did. That's why I will probably buy the PZ800 plasma. I am just open to the possibility that they can, if for example you fell asleep, leaving a paused image on the screen (which I have done, the movie finished, and the DVD player left that Sony logo on, which didnt move for some reason - lucky that didnt burn in). I could find you plenty of references backing up what I said that the new plasma TVs avoid phosphor burn by pixel shifting. I am not surprised that these "experts" like Sonny and Dobyblue haven't come up with their version of why modern plasma TVs don't cause phosphor burn. Their reason is "you don't own one, so you wouldn't know." That's the kind of reasoning you give when you are in kindergarten.

Plasma sets are as susceptible to burn-in as CRT sets, that is to say, if you go around ruining CRT sets then perhaps plasma is not for you. I cannot remember the last time I saw a CRT set with burn-in. There's nothing magic about it, you're just exaggerating everything and getting emotionally charged for some inexplicable reason.

[Chevypower]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Ex-demo TV. Say no more.

I cannot remember the last time I saw a CRT set with burn-in. There's nothing magic about it, you're just exaggerating everything and getting emotionally charged for some inexplicable reason.

You are correct about CRT burn-in, i have only seen them burnt-in at airports. I am not sure about your last statement though, do you have scientific evidence to back this? Does this help you feel better about plasma TVs?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

You are correct about CRT burn-in, i have only seen them burnt-in at airports. I am not sure about your last statement though, do you have scientific evidence to back this? Does this help you feel better about plasma TVs?

CRT and plasma are both phospor based display technologies. What is the case for one, will be the case for the other.

The only thing that helps me feel better about plasma TV's is the price and the performance. Not sure what else one looks for in a display?

[chasarms]

Originally Posted by dpompeo

yes i have seen them and i'm very pissed!!

I had a reaction a little bit like that. I bought my Panny 50" in January. Although, I got "free" BD-30K with it, so I am pretty happy with the deal.

I am very happy with my TV. It is really nice. I get a big "wow" from everyone that sees it. Maybe the new ones are nicer, but it doesn't matter. The next ones after that will be even better.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

What I am trying to say is, I am not 100% convinced that the new ones are 100% burn proof, lets say you left it on long enough (I am not saying you are going to) LCD and OLED wont burn in. Plasma still looks better than LCD, i would buy a plasma today. OLED isnt cheap and big enough yet. Let's move on...

I don't think anyone is asserting that current plasma TVs are 100% burn in proof. If abused enough, I'm sure some burn in can occur. But there's a big difference between "plasma TVs are susceptible to burn in" and "plasma TVs are susceptible to burn in if abused".

[Chevypower]

yep i think that's something we can all agree on. Perhaps even being forgetful to turn the tv off? i'm not sure how many hours it would take on a new system. I was trying to balance the argument from the side of "plasma burn-in is a complete myth" I have even said over an over on here, it shouldn't happen in normal use.

[ManUtd]

Originally Posted by richteer

I don't think anyone is asserting that current plasma TVs are 100% burn in proof. If abused enough, I'm sure some burn in can occur. But there's a big difference between "plasma TVs are susceptible to burn in" and "plasma TVs are susceptible to burn in if abused".

Well said! I hope everyone is clear on this.

[Beefbowl]

CNET has some info on the new plasmas.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-989...ml?tag=bubbl_1

[Chevypower]

interestingly i found the 50 inch pz800 on Amazon. $3199

[dobyblue]

Yes, it should come out sometime in April.
I think you'll find it will drop under $3,000 within 4 weeks of release.

[DepTii]

Hmmm, so confused recently. I had everything down when I was set on buying an LCD because I was going to use it as a computer monitor as well, but since I won't be doing that anymore, I've decided to go plasma. Now I'm confused again. So as far as 24p compatibility, which sets currently support it or will support it? Everyone says the 24p makes such a huge difference, I don't see why I should be buying a TV right now without it. Actually, I'll be ready to buy in about two months time, what's the full beef on these new generation Panasonic plasmas?

[Go Blue]

I have seen the 85 in store and like it, but want the 800 because of the native 24p. If the 85 is around $2500, what will the 800 cost?

[dobyblue]

The 50" -800 should start off around $3199 and drop within a few weeks by about 20%.

Has anyone confirmed that the -85 series can't do 24p? I looked in the manual and it states that it has a vertical refresh rate capability of 48Hz, which is 2:2 on 24p.

Initially on Panasonic's website the specs released only stated 2:3, but the initial press release with the models on it says the -85 series will all have 24p nativve reproduction and the owner's manual seems to concur with this.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The 50" -800 should start off around $3199 and drop within a few weeks by about 20%.

Has anyone confirmed that the -85 series can't do 24p? I looked in the manual and it states that it has a vertical refresh rate capability of 48Hz, which is 2:2 on 24p.

Initially on Panasonic's website the specs released only stated 2:3, but the initial press release with the models on it says the -85 series will all have 24p nativve reproduction and the owner's manual seems to concur with this.

I saw that also, and was wondering the same thing. If it does it, I'm sold on the 85! If anyone knows more about this, please inform us.

[Go Blue]

Also, I noticed that the 800 has over 5K shades of gradation and the 85 has over 4K. Is this a big deal or even noticable?

[Go Blue]

Pulled the following from the description of the 800 on Amazon:

24p native reproduction
Movies are shot at 24 frames per second. Unfortunately, TVs operating at 60Hz can only refresh 20 times per second, which means they must drop every fifth frame. With its 2008 Viera PZ85, PZ800, and PZ850 models, Panasonic introduces 24p native resolution, which means 24 frame per second movie content is reproduced frame for frame exactly, making for true-to-source smoothness of motion.

Are they wrong about the 85 doing native 24p?

[MaleManGuy]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

Well said! I hope everyone is clear on this.

so there...haha

[MaleManGuy]

Originally Posted by schultz

Also, I noticed that the 800 has over 5K shades of gradation and the 85 has over 4K. Is this a big deal or even noticable?

hard to notice... you'll have to watch some b&w movies side by side ;-)

[richteer]

Originally Posted by MaleManGuy

so there...haha

Self abuse doesn't count, Jeff! :-)

[dobyblue]

I definitely believe the -85 does 24p at 48Hz, we just need someone to test it!