Is There Any Truth to This? - Blu-ray Forum

HiNRG · 03-25-2008, 05:28 AM

Is this person right, and should I avoid buying a stand-alone unit? Someone wrote this on another forum:

Sony announced that the PS3 will be Blu Ray 2.0 Profile compliant with the next major upgrade. This just furthers my position that the PS3 is the only decent blu-ray player for the price.

Just to keep this current for any potential suckers thinking of buying a stand-alone player:

The Sony, Samsung, and Sharp Blu-Ray players have painfully slow boot up times and are not even Profile 1.1 compliant. The time before you can actually watch a disk is at least 2 minutes from my experience. My brother purchased the Sony and I convinced him to take it back after he turned it on and then died of old age waiting it to be ready to play. Apparently any "java" enabled disc is significantly worse with them, but we didn't have one to test.

We went back, spent about an hour playing with the other $400 players and they were all highly deficient compared to the PS3.

The PS3 on the other hand was ready in under a minute, and even throwing aside the games available for it, it is a fully featured media center and will very soon be the only Blu-Ray 2.0 profile player that doesn't require a mortgage.

The Panasonic was good, but it was $100 more than the PS3, out of stock, and did not have any of the multimedia features of the PS3.

The entire point I'm making here is that stand-alone blu-ray players are a complete rip-off at this time, and only a complete moron would pay $400 for a blu-ray player that's SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE than the playstation 3 for the same price. If you want a blu-ray player for under $500, get a PS3 or wait. Those are the only two reasonable options. Don't be a dipshit who buys a blu ray 1.0 profile player that takes 3 minutes to boot when you could have gotten a PS3 for the SAME PRICE and had a 2.0 player that takes < 1 minute to play a movie, can play great video games, and servers as a media center.

I don't care how much DVD players used to cost, or laserdisc. I'm talking about blu-ray players as they currently exist. Unless you want to spend over $500 on a player, get a PS3 or nothing. Anything else marks you as a grade A sucker.

Rabidhunter · 03-25-2008, 05:34 AM

I agree, well not exactly as strongly as you do, but I agree nevertheless. I was talking about buying a Blu-Ray player with my soon to be wife. I was considering buying a standalone player, but after doing the research I bought the PS3. Our concern is that the games would become an obsession and why I was considering a standalone. However, it has a lot more bang for your buck. I'm happy with the purchase. It's got the wifi and the media stuff, and there's a lot of fun multiplayer games like rockband out. That is amazing. I haven't regretted my purchace.

BirdManJr · 03-25-2008, 05:39 AM

I actually bought a stand alone blu ray player......it played blu rays and they looked good...But when i found out i had to start downloading discs off the computer and having sony send me discs...to update it i thought about the future..

I felt bad because i was like...i just spent 350 on a blu ray player...i couldve thrown in a little more and had a gaming system with good games...blu ray player that loaded faster...and could update via online to the highest profile out....

Well i looked at my receipt...to find it was day 13...and i had 14 days..I rushed it to best buy..and they didnt even charge me a restocking fee they just gave me all my cash back..And i put that cash and some more on a 80 gig ps3...NOW i feel like i got a deal here!

I think even buying a blu ray player with online capabilities is selling yourself short...When you can actually play games on the ps3 too...

And in conclusion...All the blu ray players i have seen look ugly compared to the ps3 design...THATS just my lil 2 cents tho

Sonny · 03-25-2008, 05:47 AM

I've had just about every BD player & I always come back to my PS3's (im typing this on 1 right now!!!!)

I just need DTS-HDMA...

BirdManJr · 03-25-2008, 05:50 AM

dang you got 3 ps3s??? your not this guy on youtube are you lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau4SKqeZY

video link probably posted before..i dont care suck me left ball....

Sonny · 03-25-2008, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdManJr

dang you got 3 ps3s??? your not this guy on youtube are you lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau4SKqeZY

video link probably posted before..i dont care suck me left ball....

No, but I know what your talking about without even clicking on the link LOL!

turboedguy · 03-25-2008, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdManJr

dang you got 3 ps3s??? your not this guy on youtube are you lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau4SKqeZY

video link probably posted before..i dont care suck me left ball....

Thats actually pretty funny!

I like his graph.

Lord_Stewie · 03-25-2008, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdManJr

dang you got 3 ps3s??? your not this guy on youtube are you lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau4SKqeZY

video link probably posted before..i dont care suck me left ball....

the video is funny, I like the cake part.

Rob71 · 03-25-2008, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdManJr

dang you got 3 ps3s??? your not this guy on youtube are you lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau4SKqeZY

video link probably posted before..i dont care suck me left ball....

Damn, was that Screech? I heard he was homeless, glad to see he's back on his feet.

danay82 · 03-26-2008, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdManJr

dang you got 3 ps3s??? your not this guy on youtube are you lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau4SKqeZY

But what about having 4 PS3's?? He may have 3, but this guy has 4 PS3's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMBIp...eature=related

johnnyd1 · 03-25-2008, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonny

I've had just about every BD player & I always come back to my PS3's (im typing this on 1 right now!!!!)

I just need DTS-HDMA...

When the ps3 gets 5.1 analog outputs I'll agree. Until that happens I'll stick with my standalone !

owa · 03-25-2008, 05:36 AM

Not sure I'd phrase it the way that he did. It's kind of harsh.

The PS3 was updated to profile 2.0 (BD-Live) tonight. A lot of what he's saying is true. The PS3 is one of the better players (faster, more upgradeable in general, upgradeable to BD-Live, etc.) so it's a good choice but there are still pros and cons to each. Recommending the PS3 is pretty good advice though, especially at this point. Sooner or later though, the standalones should be able to eliminate some of the issues like long boot times, taking longer to load discs, etc.

DepTii · 03-25-2008, 05:42 AM

The big difference you'll see between PS3 and something like the BD30 from Panasonic is the audio codecs supported. Currently the PS3 doesn't support any form of DTS-HD MA (but may in the future) for example. Some people also don't want to buy new receivers that support Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA from HDMI, so instead want a player that decodes it internally and passes it on via analog.

BirdManJr · 03-25-2008, 05:45 AM

Yeah but what i think about is...My wife or any chick you would naturally bring to your crib...They would like the looks of the ps3...and like to play a game sometimes..like pain or something like that..

As long as you got a nice tv...and surround sound...who cares about decoding..like someone will come over and say...HEY WAIT A MINUTE THIS SUCKS...WHY ISNT THIS DECODING!!!! I CANT WATCH THIS...

No...but after the movie...if your buddies is over you might wanna play something....or if ya girl there she might want to...Really a stand alone..you got movies and your done...nothing past that...

Thats how things go over on my side of the world tho..I dunno about everyone elses out there....

martinstraka8282 · 03-25-2008, 05:51 AM

Fan noise seems to vary from PS3 to PS3, but that is the main reason I'll be buying The 2.0 Panasonic BD player in May or June.

BirdManJr · 03-25-2008, 05:52 AM

the fan noise would only bother you if you was like 2 feet from your tv with the volume turned all the way down.....if your at a normal distance from the tv or you have surround sound...I dont see how you would hear the fans

Its not a xbox 360

Well in my case and the other 2 friends i have watched blus at there house...didnt bother me..But we might have the 3 lucky ones

ulri4651 · 03-25-2008, 06:03 AM

I personally don't understand why anybody WOULDN'T buy the PS3 as their blu-ray player? Who the hell cares if its a "stand alone" player? I have never understood this. The maching plays blu-rays; and does so better than most, if not all blu-ray players. Yes its also a gaming machine but that doesn't mean you have to play games on it. Its the absolute BEST blu-ray player on the market right now. And because its fool proof with online updates from Sony it probably will continue to be the best player available. It loads as fast as my regular DVD player, it has built in wi-fi, stores my photos, upconverts better than any player I have seen, and as a bonus it plays games in HD! What on earth could be a good reason NOT to buy it? To me it is an "ESSENTIAL" piece of equipment for any home theater. I absolutely love it!!

Petra_Kalbrain · 03-25-2008, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiNRG

Is this person right, and should I avoid buying a stand-alone unit? Someone wrote this on another forum:

Sony announced that the PS3 will be Blu Ray 2.0 Profile compliant with the next major upgrade. This just furthers my position that the PS3 is the only decent blu-ray player for the price.

Just to keep this current for any potential suckers thinking of buying a stand-alone player:

The Sony, Samsung, and Sharp Blu-Ray players have painfully slow boot up times and are not even Profile 1.1 compliant. The time before you can actually watch a disk is at least 2 minutes from my experience. My brother purchased the Sony and I convinced him to take it back after he turned it on and then died of old age waiting it to be ready to play. Apparently any "java" enabled disc is significantly worse with them, but we didn't have one to test.

We went back, spent about an hour playing with the other $400 players and they were all highly deficient compared to the PS3.

The PS3 on the other hand was ready in under a minute, and even throwing aside the games available for it, it is a fully featured media center and will very soon be the only Blu-Ray 2.0 profile player that doesn't require a mortgage.

The Panasonic was good, but it was $100 more than the PS3, out of stock, and did not have any of the multimedia features of the PS3.

The entire point I'm making here is that stand-alone blu-ray players are a complete rip-off at this time, and only a complete moron would pay $400 for a blu-ray player that's SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE than the playstation 3 for the same price. If you want a blu-ray player for under $500, get a PS3 or wait. Those are the only two reasonable options. Don't be a dipshit who buys a blu ray 1.0 profile player that takes 3 minutes to boot when you could have gotten a PS3 for the SAME PRICE and had a 2.0 player that takes < 1 minute to play a movie, can play great video games, and servers as a media center.

I don't care how much DVD players used to cost, or laserdisc. I'm talking about blu-ray players as they currently exist. Unless you want to spend over $500 on a player, get a PS3 or nothing. Anything else marks you as a grade A sucker.

It's worded harshly, but sometimes you need to go to the extreme in order for people to start listening. I agree 100% with everything that he/she wrote and could not have expressed it better without getting downright boligerant.

tron3 · 03-25-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HiNRG

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The Sony, Samsung, and Sharp Blu-Ray players have painfully slow boot up times and are not even Profile 1.1 compliant. The time before you can actually watch a disk is at least 2 minutes from my experience. My brother purchased the Sony and I convinced him to take it back after he turned it on and then died of old age waiting it to be ready to play. Apparently any "java" enabled disc is significantly worse with them, but we didn't have one to test.
...

I have the Sony BDP-S300 and "guilty as charged". It does take 45 seconds to turn on. Non BD-J (Java) movies load in about 30 seconds. However, firmware updates are making great strides in speed improvements. POTC 1 would take 3 or 4 minutes to load, now it takes well under 2.

While these seem like long load times, I immediately forgive once I see the picture. That is life with blu-ray for now. But I hear the newer Panasonic models are almost upto par with PS3 in load times. So, you can still get a stand alone player - just get a new model.

IMind · 03-25-2008, 01:38 PM

It's basically true... although I own a Panasonic DMP-BD30 and love it... but the only reason I own it is that it came "free" with my TH-42PZ77U.. actually took $50 of the price of everything because it was open box. I was going to buy a Blu-ray drive for my HTPC... thank god I didn't go that route. The software isn't even close to as good as a PS3 or a BD30.

I do disagree a little bit because after owning the BD30 for three months I can honestly say I'd buy it again for $499. And if you can find one out there for $400-450 it's worth it. It's a really solid player and Panasonic has been good with firmware updates. BD-Live doesn't concern me AT ALL. The load times on the Panasonic are very good... I wouldn't even notice except people make a point about it.

The only reason I'd ever think to get a new Blu-ray player is if I needed one for another TV.

03-25-2008, 05:28 AM	#1
HiNRG Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Boston, Massachusetts	Is There Any Truth to This? Is this person right, and should I avoid buying a stand-alone unit? Someone wrote this on another forum: Sony announced that the PS3 will be Blu Ray 2.0 Profile compliant with the next major upgrade. This just furthers my position that the PS3 is the only decent blu-ray player for the price. Just to keep this current for any potential suckers thinking of buying a stand-alone player: The Sony, Samsung, and Sharp Blu-Ray players have painfully slow boot up times and are not even Profile 1.1 compliant. The time before you can actually watch a disk is at least 2 minutes from my experience. My brother purchased the Sony and I convinced him to take it back after he turned it on and then died of old age waiting it to be ready to play. Apparently any "java" enabled disc is significantly worse with them, but we didn't have one to test. We went back, spent about an hour playing with the other $400 players and they were all highly deficient compared to the PS3. The PS3 on the other hand was ready in under a minute, and even throwing aside the games available for it, it is a fully featured media center and will very soon be the only Blu-Ray 2.0 profile player that doesn't require a mortgage. The Panasonic was good, but it was $100 more than the PS3, out of stock, and did not have any of the multimedia features of the PS3. The entire point I'm making here is that stand-alone blu-ray players are a complete rip-off at this time, and only a complete moron would pay $400 for a blu-ray player that's SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE than the playstation 3 for the same price. If you want a blu-ray player for under $500, get a PS3 or wait. Those are the only two reasonable options. Don't be a dipshit who buys a blu ray 1.0 profile player that takes 3 minutes to boot when you could have gotten a PS3 for the SAME PRICE and had a 2.0 player that takes < 1 minute to play a movie, can play great video games, and servers as a media center. I don't care how much DVD players used to cost, or laserdisc. I'm talking about blu-ray players as they currently exist. Unless you want to spend over $500 on a player, get a PS3 or nothing. Anything else marks you as a grade A sucker.

03-25-2008, 05:47 AM	#4
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	I've had just about every BD player & I always come back to my PS3's (im typing this on 1 right now!!!!) I just need DTS-HDMA... Last edited by Sonny; 03-25-2008 at 05:51 AM.

03-25-2008, 05:52 AM	#16
BirdManJr Power Member Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray reviews:3	the fan noise would only bother you if you was like 2 feet from your tv with the volume turned all the way down.....if your at a normal distance from the tv or you have surround sound...I dont see how you would hear the fans Its not a xbox 360 Well in my case and the other 2 friends i have watched blus at there house...didnt bother me..But we might have the 3 lucky ones Last edited by BirdManJr; 03-25-2008 at 05:53 AM. Reason: FYI

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03-25-2008, 05:34 AM	#2
Rabidhunter Senior Member Member since:Feb 2008	I agree, well not exactly as strongly as you do, but I agree nevertheless. I was talking about buying a Blu-Ray player with my soon to be wife. I was considering buying a standalone player, but after doing the research I bought the PS3. Our concern is that the games would become an obsession and why I was considering a standalone. However, it has a lot more bang for your buck. I'm happy with the purchase. It's got the wifi and the media stuff, and there's a lot of fun multiplayer games like rockband out. That is amazing. I haven't regretted my purchace.

03-25-2008, 05:39 AM	#3
BirdManJr Power Member Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray reviews:3	I actually bought a stand alone blu ray player......it played blu rays and they looked good...But when i found out i had to start downloading discs off the computer and having sony send me discs...to update it i thought about the future.. I felt bad because i was like...i just spent 350 on a blu ray player...i couldve thrown in a little more and had a gaming system with good games...blu ray player that loaded faster...and could update via online to the highest profile out.... Well i looked at my receipt...to find it was day 13...and i had 14 days..I rushed it to best buy..and they didnt even charge me a restocking fee they just gave me all my cash back..And i put that cash and some more on a 80 gig ps3...NOW i feel like i got a deal here! I think even buying a blu ray player with online capabilities is selling yourself short...When you can actually play games on the ps3 too... And in conclusion...All the blu ray players i have seen look ugly compared to the ps3 design...THATS just my lil 2 cents tho

03-25-2008, 05:50 AM	#5
BirdManJr Power Member Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray reviews:3	dang you got 3 ps3s??? your not this guy on youtube are you lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau4SKqeZY video link probably posted before..i dont care suck me left ball....

03-25-2008, 05:36 AM	#12
owa Blu-ray Knight Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 96	Not sure I'd phrase it the way that he did. It's kind of harsh. The PS3 was updated to profile 2.0 (BD-Live) tonight. A lot of what he's saying is true. The PS3 is one of the better players (faster, more upgradeable in general, upgradeable to BD-Live, etc.) so it's a good choice but there are still pros and cons to each. Recommending the PS3 is pretty good advice though, especially at this point. Sooner or later though, the standalones should be able to eliminate some of the issues like long boot times, taking longer to load discs, etc.

03-25-2008, 05:42 AM	#13
DepTii Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Blu-ray collection:154 Blu-ray reviews:26 Trading Score:3	The big difference you'll see between PS3 and something like the BD30 from Panasonic is the audio codecs supported. Currently the PS3 doesn't support any form of DTS-HD MA (but may in the future) for example. Some people also don't want to buy new receivers that support Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA from HDMI, so instead want a player that decodes it internally and passes it on via analog.

03-25-2008, 05:45 AM	#14
BirdManJr Power Member Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray reviews:3	Yeah but what i think about is...My wife or any chick you would naturally bring to your crib...They would like the looks of the ps3...and like to play a game sometimes..like pain or something like that.. As long as you got a nice tv...and surround sound...who cares about decoding..like someone will come over and say...HEY WAIT A MINUTE THIS SUCKS...WHY ISNT THIS DECODING!!!! I CANT WATCH THIS... No...but after the movie...if your buddies is over you might wanna play something....or if ya girl there she might want to...Really a stand alone..you got movies and your done...nothing past that... Thats how things go over on my side of the world tho..I dunno about everyone elses out there....

03-25-2008, 05:51 AM	#15
martinstraka8282 Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 4K collection:401 Blu-ray collection:1466 DVD collection:1 Trading Score:1	Fan noise seems to vary from PS3 to PS3, but that is the main reason I'll be buying The 2.0 Panasonic BD player in May or June.

03-25-2008, 06:03 AM	#17
ulri4651 Banned Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray collection:162 Trading Score:36	I personally don't understand why anybody WOULDN'T buy the PS3 as their blu-ray player? Who the hell cares if its a "stand alone" player? I have never understood this. The maching plays blu-rays; and does so better than most, if not all blu-ray players. Yes its also a gaming machine but that doesn't mean you have to play games on it. Its the absolute BEST blu-ray player on the market right now. And because its fool proof with online updates from Sony it probably will continue to be the best player available. It loads as fast as my regular DVD player, it has built in wi-fi, stores my photos, upconverts better than any player I have seen, and as a bonus it plays games in HD! What on earth could be a good reason NOT to buy it? To me it is an "ESSENTIAL" piece of equipment for any home theater. I absolutely love it!!

03-25-2008, 01:38 PM	#20
IMind Active Member Member since:Jan 2008	It's basically true... although I own a Panasonic DMP-BD30 and love it... but the only reason I own it is that it came "free" with my TH-42PZ77U.. actually took $50 of the price of everything because it was open box. I was going to buy a Blu-ray drive for my HTPC... thank god I didn't go that route. The software isn't even close to as good as a PS3 or a BD30. I do disagree a little bit because after owning the BD30 for three months I can honestly say I'd buy it again for $499. And if you can find one out there for $400-450 it's worth it. It's a really solid player and Panasonic has been good with firmware updates. BD-Live doesn't concern me AT ALL. The load times on the Panasonic are very good... I wouldn't even notice except people make a point about it. The only reason I'd ever think to get a new Blu-ray player is if I needed one for another TV.

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