Need opinions on this Subwoofer

[BR7]

I have been looking hard at the Bravus 8D - Dual 8". I was wondering if anyone has this ?If so could you give me your two cents on it.

If people know of a better one for around the same price,I would be open to suggestions.


Thanks

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by BR7

I have been looking hard at the Bravus 8D - Dual 8". I was wondering if anyone has this ?If so could you give me your two cents on it.

If people know of a better one for around the same price,I would be open to suggestions.

Thanks

I don't have personal experience with the subwoofer. However, Aperion is a great company and has first class customer service.

[Driver_King]

I'm going to have to bounce in here and say that that sub is extremely expensive for an 8", even if it is a dual 8". If you want output for cheap, look at the A2-300. There are plenty of other options too. The A2-300 also has a matte-gloss finish that looks 100% better than the regular finish and may blend with your decor better. (even though it is quite beastly in size)

[ozzman]

For the price in my opinion you can do better in the size of the speaker and lower in the HZ (just my personal view)

[BR7]

All your advise is appreciated.I see I have more to research to do


Thanks

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by BR7

I have been looking hard at the Bravus 8D - Dual 8". I was wondering if anyone has this ?If so could you give me your two cents on it.

If people know of a better one for around the same price,I would be open to suggestions.


Thanks

It's probably a nice unit, but with dual 8" drivers, in a sealed box, a 150 watt BASH amp sounds kind of anemic.

[Big Daddy]

The sub mentioned by Driver King is a good one. Here are some other options for you.

VTF-1 or VTF-2 by Hsu Research:
http://www.hsuresearch.com/subwoofers.html

Cadence:
http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductC...idCategory=137

Definitive Technology Pro Sub 1000 or Pro Sub 800:
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...=ProSub%201000
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...d=ProSub%20800

Many Different Subwoofers at Parts Express, Some designed by Dr. Hsu:
http://www.parts-express.com/wizards...TOKEN=55685550

[BR7]

Thanks for the help,Big Daddy.I am slowly learning whats good and what isn't.


@Driver_King

60lbs!!! Holy cow
I see I have a big decision to make

[Driver_King]

That's nothing compared to their largest sub at 435 lbs. All you need to do is drag the huge box in to where you need it, flip it on its side, pull it out, set it up and enjoy.

[dobyblue]

eD's prices and performance are hard to beat - I would emphatically recommend whichever one of their subs fits in your budget.

[hagar852]

Well if you want to wait 5 weeks for a sub then get the a2-300. Mind you their customer service has much to be desired.

Now here is another thing to consider. Just because the specs say it goes to 20hz or whatever for other subs doesn't mean it sounds good doing it. There is a large difference between specs and performance.

Look at it this way.. You can buy the 8D and if you don't like it you can send it back. They pay for the shipping both ways. A co-worker of mine ordered the a2-300 got disgusted with the customer service he received and then opted for the 8D.

I have the S8 the older line of subs and yes it doesn't hit 20hz, but it produces clean, tight, and powerful base even though mine only has 100 watt amp. The 8D has more power and is much smaller than the a2-300, and I might mention the finish on the Aperion speakers is amazing. You will find it very difficult to buy a sub with its finish and performance for $500. I might also add it has a BASH amplifier in it.

I challenge anyone in this forum to find better service than what Aperion offers. Yes as you can tell I own these speakers so I know first hand how this company operates. Also I might add if you call them they may have an A-stock 8D for a lower price.

Either way you have nothing to lose in trying the 8D first, and if it isn't what you want you can send it back.. Then order whatever other sub which you will have to pay shipping for I might add.

If you didn't like the a2-300 you will have to pay for the shipping back to them and at 72lbs that won't be cheap. So to me it makes more sense to at least try the 8D risk free and actually hear it for yourself rather than take the advice of people who have never heard one. I myself have not heard an 8D either but I will be next week when I go over my co-workers house to check it out. I am sure it will be better than my S8 which does shake the walls in my house.

So the choice is up to you..

Hagar852

[Driver_King]

Here's the hard evidence:



I hope you don't think they're lying.

[hagar852]

Take it up with the reviewer of the sub not me. He is the one that reviewed it and made his measurements. I don't know why you think I am the one making these claims.


None the less on the avs forum there is another review posted on their tower speakers also not measuring at the 40hz mark at +/- 3db level. Seems to be some consistencies there.

You are a little niave if you think companies won't inflate their numbers some what.

Here is another review you can read about and make not about that reviewers measurements also on their tower speakers. Seems to be a trend here.

A6-6T6 review

[JasonR]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post10641557

[blu-ray-bob#1]

Originally Posted by blu-ray-bob#1
Thoughts not facts but my 2 cents

1) You get what you pay for!

That doesn't make sense considering you've never even experienced the sub.

Yes it does and since I have never experienced ED, Then I can say you are wrong. They use cheaper materials, a "no name" Amp and a finish that looks like a truck bed.

2) ED may make an excellent product but they need to not charge before shipping

Uh, yes they do. You think they're going to deal with people who do what you do without paying? That's a waste...

Most companys only charge 50% of the cost on special orders then the rest at time of shipment or pickup.

3) ED needs to keep some inventory on hand so thier is not a five week wait

They are still a small company and are working overtime just to get the current orders in. Please watch what you say.

Watch what I say, If thier products are as great as you say then cash flow should not be an issue and they should be able to meet the orders. The old saying is you got to spend money to make money!

4) The Aperion sub is $114 more and guess what it came before my ED was even out of final asambley!

Aperion is a huge company compared to eD and has machines doing all the work. eD isn't there yet. Where did you get $114 from when the A2-300 used to be $315 and now it is $350? That's $150 more for the Aperion with free shipping on both.

I order the extra nice finish to get it close to the Aperion so I doesnt look like a truck bed (350+35= 385 -499 = 114) By the way Check out ED's Blog they just bought a new CNC Machine to speed up production!

5) My room is 24' Long x 15' wide with 8' Celings and the couch is 20' away from the sub and it shook the couch! That with the default setting and crossover set at 60 HZ.

What does that have to do with the A2-300?

If you read the review posted by Hagar865 it has everything to do with it. And I was mearly pointing out the my room is considered a large room and the small 8d shakes the walls!

6) The sound was clean, clear and tight! What more could you ask for!

A lot actually.

Dont understand that responce. With a finish that as nice as some custom car paint jobs , a great bass responce and a Bash Amp. with remote I honestly dont see what more you could want expect free shipping back on the ED.

What ever you decide weigh all the options as in the end its your money and you dont want live with something that you dont like.

What exactly is wrong with the physical sub?

Nothing

I say if someone is willing to pay for shipping both ways go for it ! You will know right away if you made the right choice!

There are plenty of companies that have that option but that doesn't mean you made a good choice. I don't understand that logic at all.

Ultimately you have to like what you buy and I know the Aperion 8D workes for me

No Hard feeling just my $114 worth.

[crackinhedz]

craigsub

A2-300 @ 20 Hz:





A2-300 @ 25 Hz:





Here is where the A2-300 really shines ... and meshes well with the listening tests done here: Check out this performance at 18 Hz:




Finally ... 16 Hz. Still impressive for a $350 sub.




For those who are trying to figure out these graphs ... all you need to do is look at the number in the upper left hand corner - for example, the A2-300's 20 Hz graph - 93.011 dB is the level delivered at 20 Hz - and when there are 2 numbers, look at the second, or lower one, for SPL delivered at that frequency.

A2-300 Review: I tracked the variations in the bass response. In my room, there were bass bumps at 80 and 63Hz (+2-3dB, compared to 100Hz), while the bass response fell off gradually and smoothly below that, down to 31.5Hz. The levels at 25 and 20Hz were noticeably lower, both to the meter and to my ears.

I guess that's what a "flaky" radioshack spl meter gets ya.

[JasonR]

I don't think you are going to find the same lower end frequency response with the Aperion. Not to say it doesn't have an attractive apperance, because it does. If you are looking for below 20Hz performance, I don't think you'll find it with the Aperion where you will find it with the eD.

Me, I am willing to sacrafice looks for low end performance.

With the new Bravus 8D sub I expected it to do well. I wasn't disappointed - it rendered most of the sound potential of the scene. It didn't fully capture the tactile nature of the scene, however, and turning up the sub didn't do any better. It just doesn't go low enough to grab everything in the scene. What I did notice - and this is important - is that the sub also refrained from bottoming out on what it couldn't deliver. The Bravus 8D played what it could - and stopped where it needed to. That's a good design and one that many customers are going to appreciate.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...ion-conclusion

[mdabb]

I would tell the OP that a subwoofer's job is quite an easy one and that there are many great subs out there. If he is looking for a smallish sub then the ED is not an option. If he is looking for a "furniture grade" finish, again that is -1 for the ED.

He could be happy with many subs out there. Anytime you are going with an "online only" manufacturer, that is taking a chance. Might be a chance you want to take, might not. If you are looking for an outright bass attack, a eight inch sub(s) is just not going to do that. He'll just have to figure out what best suits him.

also one thing to look out for is some subs are not all that musical so you might end up with a sub that you put into the trunk of your car and ride around with it. I think it's important to find a sub to "blend in" with your setup and not something that will destroy & mud up the sound. I also think a big mistake people do is go all out and buy a sub that is simply too much for their system. Just look out for people driving around "boomin". Going deep is one thing but outright output is another. If your into SPL, more power to you.

I say let everyone be happy with what they want and not worry about it so much. Different strokes for different folks !!!

OP to answer your question, no I haven't heard that sub but if it meets your criteria then it sounds like you don't have much to lose other than time. Try it, if it doesn't live up to what your looking for at least you'll know. I know appearance + performance was important to me.

The ED seems like it has plenty of output but guys I gotta admit, it has a face only a mother could love. (kidding guys ) Not sure if that is something the OP is looking for.

[ozzman]

Man iam having fun reading this.

Iam happy with my own subs.I never feel like i have to sell them,There good enough for me(clean and tight).I paid 550 Canadian for each one .

They state that they go to 24hz,But i scared LOL that someones going to whip out a chart. LOL
Please let me belive the specs It would break my heart to find out that my subs only go down to 35Hz or something like that

Love each day.

[mdabb]

Originally Posted by ozzman

Man iam i having fun reading this.

Iam happy with my own subs.I never feel like i have to sell them,There good enough for me.I paid 550 Canadian for each one .

They state that they go to 24hz,But i scared LOL that someones going to whip out a chart. LOL
Please let me belive the specs It would break my heart to find out that my subs only go down to 35Hz or something like that

Love each day.

I wouldn't worry about it. Once the sound goes below a certain frequency it becomes inaudible. I don't remember what that frequency is but it is felt rather than really heard. Sometimes that is important to people and sometimes it's not. For me personally it's a novelty.

What matters is do you like it ??? No one else ............
just tell them to jog on.