Do all Blu-rays have grainy spots? - Blu-ray Forum

BluRayNick · 12-31-2008, 03:21 AM

People including me seem to complain alot about some blu Rays being somewhat grainy some more than others, but actually every blu Ray has a grainy scene or two, or is it just me? I mean its not always noticeable but if you really look you'll see something somewhere skin color, white light, sometimes blue color patterns but hey I'am picky and the smallest portion thats grainy bothers me!

KingBing · 12-31-2008, 03:28 AM

Grain shouldn't bother you, In fact it should be your best friend!! just do a quick search on film grain and find out for yourself

BluRayNick · 12-31-2008, 03:29 AM

Film grain or granularity is the random optical texture of processed photographic film due to the presence of small grains of a metallic silver developed from silver halide that have received enough photons.

Did my homework thanks,lol!

And yes animation movies are always grain free love Pixar!

MAPdead · 12-31-2008, 03:31 AM

I am used to it now at first it bothered me.

quexos · 12-31-2008, 03:28 AM

I've noticed grain in way too many movies too. Some are supposed to be like that but not all are. I have no ultimate answer to the reason of so much grain. I'd say try CGI Animations, those are the most grain-free Blurays out there.

hamisht · 12-31-2008, 03:30 AM

i dont mind grain. if i didnt want grain i wouldnt buy blu-ray, id watch a made-for-tv film.

tilapiah6 · 12-31-2008, 03:31 AM

Well I certainly hope so! Otherwise it'll be like watching wax figures in a sterile unrealistic environment!

proxpilot · 02-17-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Well I certainly hope so! Otherwise it'll be like watching wax figures in a sterile unrealistic environment!

I must have took the grain filter off my eyes then. my eyes aren't grainy and my environment looks pretty realistic to me.

Monkey · 02-18-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by proxpilot

I must have took the grain filter off my eyes then. my eyes aren't grainy and my environment looks pretty realistic to me.

+1000 Grain is obstructing detail. It isn't a benefit of film but an artifact.

dadkins · 02-18-2009, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by proxpilot

I must have took the grain filter off my eyes then. my eyes aren't grainy and my environment looks pretty realistic to me.

Truth!

GORT · 12-31-2008, 03:32 AM

Grain is part of the film and is a good thing and please use the search function before you start a thread there are already many in here on grain in film

BluRayNick · 12-31-2008, 03:34 AM

Its a discussion forum, and I'am still pretty new here and wanted to get peoples thoughts on Blu Rays being grainy, GORT its okay I promise!

JasonR · 12-31-2008, 03:38 AM

If you are seeing to much grain, it is probably your settings that are at fault. Start by turning your sharpness WAY down, and then calibrate your set. Grain should be there, but not affect your movie viewing experience....

BluRayNick · 12-31-2008, 03:40 AM

Yah the sharpness is set on 40. At first it was on 100 and it was very grainy!

Zaranyzerak · 12-31-2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BluRayNick

Its a discussion forum, and I'am still pretty new here and wanted to get peoples thoughts on Blu Rays being grainy, GORT its okay I promise!

As you said yourself when you "did your homework," the image created on film is created with grain. Blu-ray is a higher resolution format than DVD, so the grain inherent to the original source material (assuming it's film) is more apparent. It is actually correct and accurate to see grain in an image created from a film source. The only reason it hasn't been as apparent until now, is because the lack of definition on DVD made it less noticeable.

I'd like to see the practice of applying DNR (Digital Noise Reduction) to HD transfers of film sources STOPPED. "Scrubbing" the image to remove grain actually reduces the overall fidelity and quality of the image considerably, sometimes almost to the point of making one wonder why they bothered putting the film on Blu-ray in the first place. This whole concept of "grain is baaaaad" is flawed and incorrect. If you've seen a film in a theater, you've seen it with grain. Blu-ray simply recreates that image more accurately than DVD.

In short, if it was shot on film, it most likely will (and SHOULD) have visible grain.

DNR=baaaad
Grain=goooood

RiseDarthVader · 12-31-2008, 04:55 AM

I love grain! and hate DNR! I just always find it weird in reviews when they say they prefer some scenes to be less grainy. Why would you want that? Grain gives movies shot on film the film feel. It's got a unique texture that I have grown to love.

Crim122 · 12-31-2008, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluRayNick

Its a discussion forum, and I'am still pretty new here and wanted to get peoples thoughts on Blu Rays being grainy, GORT its okay I promise!

I have noticed that GORT gets a bit upset if someone creates a thread that is already created LOL

sonnyworld85 · 02-24-2009, 03:46 AM

Grain is part of film. It makes it look natural.

RiseDarthVader · 02-24-2009, 07:28 AM

Wow these guys need to go to a cinema that is projecting a movie perfectly focused. Then they will release it is there to begin with. With grain we are seeing the way the movies were originally shot. We are seeing the actual negative! But once you remove or reduce grain it starts removing the detail AND the origianl look of the movie. So sad that people are so used to DVDs that have been DNR to death for 10 years and then when they suddenly get to see a movie close to its original source they complain about it. Gosh if you hate the grain so much either watch upscaled DVDs OR turn the sharpness on your HDTV wayyyyyyy down. Maybe your getting added Digital noise and you think its extra grainy because your sharpness settings are way too high.

dadkins · 02-24-2009, 03:13 PM

When the "grain" is pronounced on my computer screen, my HDTV, and my neighbors Panny, it isn't because of the displays.

Grain and noise can be reduced no matter what any of you say.
No one is wanting(I certainly HOPE) to remove all grain or completely destroy the movie clarity or detail.

Grain on film is an imperfection.
Imperfections of any type are bad.
Grain, video noise, damage, dirt, fingerprints, hair... all imperfections.

With Blu-ray on our new killler displays all imperfections are WAY pronounced.
If any of you are willing to accept and try to excuse any of them away - fine!
There is no way I have to like imperfections on anything.

If grain is part of film, and grain is an imperfection of the medium(and it is an imperfection), then perhaps in this new millennium, we should move to a better way to record movies.

Grain is not good, and as shown above, grain can make the image look like bad styrofoam.

Have fun in your belief that grain is good! LOL!

12-31-2008, 03:21 AM	#1
BluRayNick Banned Member since:Dec 2008	Do all Blu-rays have grainy spots? People including me seem to complain alot about some blu Rays being somewhat grainy some more than others, but actually every blu Ray has a grainy scene or two, or is it just me? I mean its not always noticeable but if you really look you'll see something somewhere skin color, white light, sometimes blue color patterns but hey I'am picky and the smallest portion thats grainy bothers me! Last edited by BluRayNick; 12-31-2008 at 03:24 AM.

02-24-2009, 03:13 PM	#20
dadkins Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Hercules, CA Blu-ray collection:35 Blu-ray reviews:2	When the "grain" is pronounced on my computer screen, my HDTV, and my neighbors Panny, it isn't because of the displays. Grain and noise can be reduced no matter what any of you say. No one is wanting(I certainly HOPE) to remove all grain or completely destroy the movie clarity or detail. Grain on film is an imperfection. Imperfections of any type are bad. Grain, video noise, damage, dirt, fingerprints, hair... all imperfections. With Blu-ray on our new killler displays all imperfections are WAY pronounced. If any of you are willing to accept and try to excuse any of them away - fine! There is no way I have to like imperfections on anything. If grain is part of film, and grain is an imperfection of the medium(and it is an imperfection), then perhaps in this new millennium, we should move to a better way to record movies. Grain is not good, and as shown above, grain can make the image look like bad styrofoam. Have fun in your belief that grain is good! LOL! Last edited by dadkins; 02-24-2009 at 03:21 PM.

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12-31-2008, 03:28 AM	#2
KingBing Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Boston, MA PSN: KingBing Blu-ray collection:224 Blu-ray reviews:20	Grain shouldn't bother you, In fact it should be your best friend!! just do a quick search on film grain and find out for yourself

12-31-2008, 03:29 AM	#3
BluRayNick Banned Member since:Dec 2008	Film grain or granularity is the random optical texture of processed photographic film due to the presence of small grains of a metallic silver developed from silver halide that have received enough photons. Did my homework thanks,lol! And yes animation movies are always grain free love Pixar!

12-31-2008, 03:31 AM	#4
MAPdead Power Member Member since:Jun 2008 Location:North Carolina 4K collection:918 Blu-ray collection:2683 Blu-ray reviews:23	I am used to it now at first it bothered me.

12-31-2008, 03:28 AM	#5
quexos Banned Member since:May 2007 Location:Brussels, Belgium	I've noticed grain in way too many movies too. Some are supposed to be like that but not all are. I have no ultimate answer to the reason of so much grain. I'd say try CGI Animations, those are the most grain-free Blurays out there.

12-31-2008, 03:30 AM	#6
hamisht Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray reviews:4	i dont mind grain. if i didnt want grain i wouldnt buy blu-ray, id watch a made-for-tv film.

12-31-2008, 03:31 AM	#7
tilapiah6 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2008 Location:South Carolina Home Theater Gallery:40 Blu-ray collection:284 Trading Score:36	Well I certainly hope so! Otherwise it'll be like watching wax figures in a sterile unrealistic environment!

12-31-2008, 03:32 AM	#11
GORT Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Reducing Your Planet To A Burned Out Cinder Blu-ray collection:295	Grain is part of the film and is a good thing and please use the search function before you start a thread there are already many in here on grain in film

12-31-2008, 03:34 AM	#12
BluRayNick Banned Member since:Dec 2008	Its a discussion forum, and I'am still pretty new here and wanted to get peoples thoughts on Blu Rays being grainy, GORT its okay I promise!

12-31-2008, 03:38 AM	#13
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	If you are seeing to much grain, it is probably your settings that are at fault. Start by turning your sharpness WAY down, and then calibrate your set. Grain should be there, but not affect your movie viewing experience....

12-31-2008, 03:40 AM	#14
BluRayNick Banned Member since:Dec 2008	Yah the sharpness is set on 40. At first it was on 100 and it was very grainy!

12-31-2008, 04:55 AM	#16
RiseDarthVader Power Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Australia Blu-ray collection:136	I love grain! and hate DNR! I just always find it weird in reviews when they say they prefer some scenes to be less grainy. Why would you want that? Grain gives movies shot on film the film feel. It's got a unique texture that I have grown to love.

02-24-2009, 03:46 AM	#18
sonnyworld85 Senior Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Canada Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray collection:25 Blu-ray reviews:7	Grain is part of film. It makes it look natural.

02-24-2009, 07:28 AM	#19
RiseDarthVader Power Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Australia Blu-ray collection:136	Wow these guys need to go to a cinema that is projecting a movie perfectly focused. Then they will release it is there to begin with. With grain we are seeing the way the movies were originally shot. We are seeing the actual negative! But once you remove or reduce grain it starts removing the detail AND the origianl look of the movie. So sad that people are so used to DVDs that have been DNR to death for 10 years and then when they suddenly get to see a movie close to its original source they complain about it. Gosh if you hate the grain so much either watch upscaled DVDs OR turn the sharpness on your HDTV wayyyyyyy down. Maybe your getting added Digital noise and you think its extra grainy because your sharpness settings are way too high.

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