Say thanks to Warner Bros. for Blood Diamond

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

Warner Brothers can die in a fire...

Everyone keeps saying that HD-DVD only has Universal as their exclusive studio, but they are wrong...

Warner is exclusively releasing only decent versions of movies on HD-DVD and totally dicking BluRay...

I was so excited the day I came home with my PS3 and my HDMI Elite reciever, drooling that someday I would have loseless audio and HD video of awesome movies like 300....

Nope....sorry, Warner is too worthless to give the BluRay faithful any serious devotion....

First they slap us with delaying of the Matrix....and then they continually offer us BluRays with horrible audio tracks...

What the hell are they wasting space for?? Warner is awful, and should get with the program....

The saddest part is that Warner is going to almost soley be the reason that HD-DVD wins this format war...

The Matrix Trilogy is going to bring this format war to the forefront and give HD-DVD a huge advantage over Bluray...

The first Matrix movie racked up the DVD sales when it was first released, and anyone that walks into a store and sees the Matrix in HD only on HD-DVD is going to be seriously interested in buying a player...

Sony needs to pull something totally outrageous to conter-act that....what that is is anyone's guess...

It's not PCM but I wouldn't call it horrible. The Departed got a lossless track, letters is announced with one and what Blood Diamond is remains to be seen. Give them time, they will catch up

As for the counter strike:

May 22 / June 5

'nuff said

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

anyone that walks into a store and sees the Matrix in HD only on HD-DVD is going to be seriously interested in buying a player...

Well I think when someone goes to a store on May and sees Casino Royale and Pirates of the Caribbean 1 and 2 while 3 is playing on movie theaters on BD only is going to be seriously interested in not buying an HD DVD player..

[Deciazulado]

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

The thing is that the technical short comings are against HD DVD NOT BD. BD has the technical advantage.

If they did release the titles simultaneously with extras, the problem is that WE, BD owners, don't want the inferior bit rate encoding that comes with HD-DVD. We want the full bit rate available to us on a BD.

And here is where the technical advantage is ours, however, BD is limited by HD DVD given their limited storage capacity. The extras mean that WE, BD owners, get the short end of the stick because WE get stuck with the inferior HD DVD bit rate encoding.

What should happen is use the higher bit rate encoding and cut the extras out of the HD DVD so that it fits on a red disc...

Oh wait, HD DVD can't handle the higher bit rates, so the studio defaults to the LOWEST common denominator and that is the inferior HD DVD bit rate for both formats....so the technical shortcomings are on HD DVD not on BD.

That is why HD DVD must die....

Talk about completely ignoring my point and going off on a tangent...

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

The Matrix Trilogy is going to bring this format war to the forefront and give HD-DVD a huge advantage over Bluray...

The first Matrix movie racked up the DVD sales when it was first released, and anyone that walks into a store and sees the Matrix in HD only on HD-DVD is going to be seriously interested in buying a player...

Do you really think that The Matrix will make much of an effect? It's 8 years old now, and the sequels have diminished its reputation considerably. The format war will be affected much more by new big-hitter movies like Casino Royale which arrive on HD day-and-date with DVD.

[KingDeezie]

The tracks that we are getting are pretty horrible, considering that the HD-DVD versions are getting TrueHD tracks on their versions...

Aside from the Departed, we have only seen laziness from Warner Brothers. As it stands right now, Blu Ray has a 20 GB advantage over HD-DVD and an 18 mb/sec bitrate advantage over Hd-DVD, but we are getting the lesser sound, lesser extras, and the same video???

To me that sounds biased, Warner is handicapping Bluray for no reason. If they set out and did it right, we could have an awesome lossless soundtrack, and a much improved picture then what HD-DVD can provide...

As for Pirates and Cars battling off The Matrix, I can only hope that you are right on that one...

The Matrix has always been a sort of reference DVD to have...much more so then Pirates...

What Sony needed to do what get off their asses and release a Spiderman Double Feature BluRay box set with some serious extras all in HD and loseless audio, and the movies with top notch video and audio....as well as a free pass to see Spiderman Three ....

That would have pushed some units....

That, or, make Spiderman 3 an exclusive BluRay disc release...

[Deciazulado]

I wonder if the Matrix HD DVD is gonna look like the original theatrical version/first DVD, or the altered saturated Green version. If it's the green version it won't feel reference for me. More like a Special edition to me

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Certainly people can argue that the BDA should have finalized the spec well before now, even if that meant dedicated players wouldn't support it for a while.

But, that is different that demanding Warner hold off titles for when they can offer the IME.

People have a choice if Warner goes the Blood Diamond route. If you don't want the title without IME, then don't buy it. But, people shouldn't be demanding we all wait for features they want.

Gary

I thought BD-J was complete, hence there are no specs to complete.

The players themselves may not have implemented the 1.1 hardware profile, but that would be a different question and not a "spec" question.

See the following from an insider in the general forum:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=601

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

Talk about completely ignoring my point and going off on a tangent...

??? Your point was that that equivalent content should be released on both formats - and that BD lacked some BD-J FEATURES.

BD-J is a FEATURE which can be added at some point (although many don't really care), not a technical advantage.

The technical advantages that BD has, like the ones I stated, cannot added afterwards - your stuck with an inferior format.

You have to look beyond today....

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

Do you really think that The Matrix will make much of an effect? It's 8 years old now, and the sequels have diminished its reputation considerably.

I agree, The Matrix was exceptional - but it's now old. I would rather have Serenity on BD right now....

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by marine92104

Why would you thank them for giving you half of what will be on the HD DVD release for the same price?

Because they're releasing it now instead of later?

I'm just trying to understand. Both will be the same price but the HD DVD gets IME with all the special features & the Blu-ray will be just the movie no extras for the same price as the HD DVD.

Half of what will be on HD DVD?

As long as there's lossless audio and 1080p picture that's all that most people care about. It's a very small minority that care about special features.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

The tracks that we are getting are pretty horrible, considering that the HD-DVD versions are getting TrueHD tracks on their versions...

Aside from the Departed, we have only seen laziness from Warner Brothers. As it stands right now, Blu Ray has a 20 GB advantage over HD-DVD and an 18 mb/sec bitrate advantage over Hd-DVD, but we are getting the lesser sound, lesser extras, and the same video???

To me that sounds biased, Warner is handicapping Bluray for no reason. If they set out and did it right, we could have an awesome lossless soundtrack, and a much improved picture then what HD-DVD can provide...

As for Pirates and Cars battling off The Matrix, I can only hope that you are right on that one...

The Matrix has always been a sort of reference DVD to have...much more so then Pirates...

What Sony needed to do what get off their asses and release a Spiderman Double Feature BluRay box set with some serious extras all in HD and loseless audio, and the movies with top notch video and audio....as well as a free pass to see Spiderman Three ....

That would have pushed some units....

That, or, make Spiderman 3 an exclusive BluRay disc release...

Blood Diamond on Blu-ray should have a PCM track. This is what I was told by a contact at Warner last December.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

I can wait for these titles until Sony gets their act together, to be honest. (Ignoring the fact that I have two of them on HD-DVD already!)

All Sony needs to do is get there act together and fix there bd-java so Warner will release them all.Dont blame Warner.Get your emails out to Sony

Horsepucky. If a limited resource indie like Digital Leisure (Dragon's Lair) can do high function Java features then Warner can. They are simply TOO CHEAP to spend the cash right now to author a completely different BD version. Warner's method: take the VC-1 encode optimized for HD-DVD and slap it onto a BD disc.

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

What Sony needed to do what get off their asses and release a Spiderman Double Feature BluRay box set with some serious extras all in HD and loseless audio, and the movies with top notch video and audio....as well as a free pass to see Spiderman Three ....

That would have pushed some units....

That, or, make Spiderman 3 an exclusive BluRay disc release...

Ain't gonna happen. I suppose you mean no DVD release (since Sony won't release on HD-DVD anyway), but DVD is still King of the Hill. No way are they going to lose out on all that cash by skipping DVD. Somebody else once suggested to release the DVD a bit later than the BD, to get some attention from non-early-adopters. Altough a good idea, I don't think that will happen either.

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

??? Your point was that that equivalent content should be released on both formats - and that BD lacked some BD-J FEATURES.

BD-J is a FEATURE which can be added at some point (although many don't really care), not a technical advantage.

The technical advantages that BD has, like the ones I stated, cannot added afterwards - your stuck with an inferior format.

You have to look beyond today....

But if you read my post that you replied to, I wasn't talking about technical advantages, but about technical hold-ups (BD-J), which is why I considered your post to be ignoring my point.

As for your comment about the BD-J feature being able to be added at a later point, I'm fully aware of that, but the bottom line is that I don't think it's fair to expect people who want that functionality to double dip. Warners should have waited with this title.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Horsepucky. If a limited resource indie like Digital Leisure (Dragon's Lair) can do high function Java features then Warner can. They are simply TOO CHEAP to spend the cash right now to author a completely different BD version. Warner's method: take the VC-1 encode optimized for HD-DVD and slap it onto a BD disc.

No truer words have been spoken!

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Blood Diamond on Blu-ray should have a PCM track. This is what I was told by a contact at Warner last December.

Doby I hope you're right about the PCM track for Blu-ray. So far I haven't heard anything about a PCM track on the Blu-ray release.

I guess I should have went more in depth about what I meant. Do you think it's right for Warner to charge the same amount for the movie on both formats when on Blu-ray they're just including the movie with no interactivity & commentaries & on HD DVD including the interactivity & commentaries.

In other words would you rather Warner release on both formats at the same time giving Blu-ray less & charging the same amount giving HD DVD more extras or would you rather wait until they can give the same things they're giving on the HD DVD at a later date since they're charging the same price?

It's an interesting question that people may differ on?

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by marine92104

In other words would you rather Warner release on both formats at the same time giving Blu-ray less & charging the same amount giving HD DVD more extras or would you rather wait until they can give the same things they're giving on the HD DVD at a later date since they're charging the same price?

It's an interesting question that people may differ on?

I think they should have waited, but I have probably already made that abundantly clear!

[dobyblue]

I think I agree with what PeterTHX has said. If Digital Leisure can do it then Warner is just being freaking lazy.

It's still an advantage to get the movie first, especially if it has PCM on it.

Do I think it should be cheaper? Yes. But they are using the exact same encode and despite not re-encoding interactivity to Java they are still likely figuring they should get the same amount of money back.

Also, it's pretty obvious that despite their parent company's membership on the BDA board of directors, Warner Bros. themselves prefer to support HD DVD.

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Also, it's pretty obvious that despite their parent company's membership on the BDA board of directors, Warner Bros. themselves prefer to support HD DVD.

It sure looks like it. Makes you think though, why are they releasing SR on a BD50 without a lossless track, but go and release the UK version of it with a PCM track?

Last movie on the list

They would have had the space for the US version (maybe not so on Happy Feet, which was a BD25; could have been a shortage to BD50 reproduction?). In the end it's all speculation