IMO, Blu-ray does not deliver it's promise [incorrect settings / mod]

[AikonEnt]

Originally Posted by skioutwest

I know I am going to be flamed here, but I just don't think blu-ray's picture is very good. I had very high hopes for it, especially since my Verizon FIOS provides such a great picture on the movie channels, but when watching my BR player, it just doesn't compare. Am I doing something wrong???

Here is my equipment:

Epson 1080UB projector (100" screen)
Sony STR-DA5300ES
Panasonic DMP-BD35
7 Definitive Technology speakers
HDMI 1.3a cable switched by my receiver

When running the player, I check the signal information on my projector and it is showing 1080P signal. The focus is fine, but the picture just does not compare to my 1080i cable signal....how can this be??

I am comparing my BR picture to my Oppo dvd player, which apparently does an excellent job with upscaling. To be honest, I see very little difference between my Oppo DVD and my Panasonic Blu-ray.

Any thoughts here? Should blu-ray be as good or better than my FIOS signal??

Thanks all!

-Mark

No flaming, just cold hard facts. You're an idiot.

But seriously, the first time I watched Blu on my little 32inch 1080i Samsung I noticed a massive difference in quality. So clearly there is need to look at the way you have your system setup.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

No flaming, just cold hard facts. You're an idiot.

"tis better to keep your mouth closed and have people think you're a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"

If you can think of anything LESS constructive to say, I'd be impressed.

[CptGreedle]

For the OP, that is a HUGE screen you have. But still, you should know that BD is much higher quality, and at a much higher resolution than cable tv. Cable at best is only 1080i, and compressed video and audio with up to 5.1 surround sound. Blu-ray is normally 1080p video, at a lower compression, with up to 7.1 lossless surround sound. There is a world of difference between 1080i and 1080p. In short, i uses half the amount of data than p, which they use to save bandwidth.
Clearly you are either using a wrong disc or your system is indeed not set up right.
If you put in a DVD of say Wall-E, and then the Blu-ray, and see little to no difference, your system is set up wrong.

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by Slec

"tis better to keep your mouth closed and have people think you're a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"

If you can think of anything LESS constructive to say, I'd be impressed.

I think Aikon was in the right for saying that. I believe the OP is just flame baiting.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

I think Aikon was in the right for saying that. I believe the OP is just flame baiting.

While I'll admit the title of the thread looks that way... The OP is very open to the possibility that its a calibration issue. He changed some settings and even noticed his focus was 'soft' and fixed that (all on the 1st page of the thread). All Aiken did was prove he posted based on the title and didn't actually read any of the thread. How is that justified? If he had commented that he just disagreed, I would have left it alone.

Someone with their settings off is not an idiot, I don't care how you paint it.

[AikonEnt]

Originally Posted by Slec

"tis better to keep your mouth closed and have people think you're a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"

If you can think of anything LESS constructive to say, I'd be impressed.

If you're going to quote somebody then rip them, isn't it better to quote the whole thing?

The next line I typed clearly started 'but seriously' hinting that I might have in fact been having a little fun with my initial comment.

But you are a gooner so that says everything really

[Slec]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

If you're going to quote somebody then rip them, isn't it better to quote the whole thing?

The next line I typed clearly started 'but seriously' hinting that I might have in fact been having a little fun with my initial comment.

But you are a gooner so that says everything really

... ouch, if only I knew what stereotypes went along with supporting this club.

[SkantDragon]

You folks are being trolled. Not all trolls type badly and are rude. A good troll can keep people going with false claims just on the edge of believability for a long time.

The situation this guy is describing can't be true. I have a 65" screen and one of the best DVD upscalers on the market, and DVD already looks pretty poor at that size. The compression artifacts and lack of sharpness are obvious and distracting. This guy claims to have a high end 100" system, and can't see the difference between his DVD and Blu-ray. Meanwhile, his broadcast HD supposedly looks better than both.

That's just not possible. Not even if his Blu-ray was misconfigured somehow. And how long has it been, and it's supposedly still that way? Blu-ray is not hard to setup. You guys are being trolled.

The notion that upscaled DVDs (or broadcast HD or digital downloads) look just as good as Blu-ray is a myth being pushed by certain interested companies. And the real purpose of this thread is to lend credibility to that myth for anyone searching the internet trying to figure out if Blu-ray is as good as its claims.

In the real world, the difference between Blu-ray and upscaled DVD on a high end 100" system is nothing short of dramatic. This isn't one of those questionable differences like when audiophiles claim old analog tubes somehow sound better. At that screen size, you couldn't miss the difference if you'd been hit by pepper spray a minute before.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by SkantDragon

You folks are being trolled. Not all trolls type badly and are rude. A good troll can keep people going with false claims just on the edge of believability for a long time.

The situation this guy is describing can't be true. I have a 65" screen and one of the best DVD upscalers on the market, and DVD already looks pretty poor at that size. The compression artifacts and lack of sharpness are obvious and distracting. This guy claims to have a high end 100" system, and can't see the difference between his DVD and Blu-ray. Meanwhile, his broadcast HD supposedly looks better than both.

That's just not possible. Not even if his Blu-ray was misconfigured somehow. And how long has it been, and it's supposedly still that way? Blu-ray is not hard to setup. You guys are being trolled.

The notion that upscaled DVDs (or broadcast HD or digital downloads) look just as good as Blu-ray is a myth being pushed by certain interested companies. And the real purpose of this thread is to lend credibility to that myth for anyone searching the internet trying to figure out if Blu-ray is as good as its claims.

In the real world, the difference between Blu-ray and upscaled DVD on a high end 100" system is nothing short of dramatic. This isn't one of those questionable differences like when audiophiles claim old analog tubes somehow sound better. At that screen size, you couldn't miss the difference if you'd been hit by pepper spray a minute before.

+1 If after all that was said he is not convince and is still repeating the same things over and over, he never will stop.

I always say never argue with an idiot because he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

[scott1256ca]

I have a 65" rptv (component only) and I easily see a difference on that between normal dvd and a decent bd. I also have a projector and the difference on that is very noticeable.
Even using Knights Tale BD vs. superbit dvd the difference is obvious, and that is one of my better superbit dvd's and one of the worst BD's ever for PQ. For upscaling the dvd I can use my PC, my ps3 or my projector. All 3 show obvious improvement when viewing BD. BD DOES produce on its promise.

[skioutwest]

OK....a quick update.

To make a long story short, SONY replaced my receiver via their Advance Exchange program due to a firmware issue that impacted my HDMI6 input. This was forcing me to use my HDMI3 input, but whatever.

I got the replacement a few days ago and watched The Dark Night. WOW....the picture was fantastic!! Definitely sharper with more vivid color than what I was seeing before. I am still skeptical that this firmware was causing issues with my player...I am looking forward to watching another disc soon to confirm this.

I think another possibility was that I was just renting some movies with crappy mastering. I have heard that some of the "lesser" quality transfers can resemble upscaled DVDs. I am probably going to check out Transformers again to see if I see the same increase in PQ.

Thanks for the feedback all! I hope this is the end to my Blu-ray woes....

-Mark

[bhampton]

I don't remember Blu Ray making any promises.

However.... I don't know of any better way to watch movies than Blu Ray. It's simply the best and I love it.



=Brian