Brokeback Mountain movie discussion

[fighthefutureofhd]

that's really missing the point. it doesn't matter who they like to sleep with in bed. gay or straight. the issue is how they treated people and they treated people awful. i wouldn't be happy with the stuff they did it was heterosexual relationship. it's not right period. no matter who does it.

[TheDarkKnight821]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

that's really missing the point. it doesn't matter who they like to sleep with in bed. gay or straight. the issue is how they treated people and they treated people awful. i wouldn't be happy with the stuff they did it was heterosexual relationship. it's not right period. no matter who does it.

LOL And The Joker didnt exactly treat people right either. God I love topics like this.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

that's really missing the point. it doesn't matter who they like to sleep with in bed. gay or straight. the issue is how they treated people and they treated people awful. i wouldn't be happy with the stuff they did it was heterosexual relationship. it's not right period. no matter who does it.

Your blinders are on then because you are not seeing the entire picture. Your only seeing 5% of it. People treat people badly every day. That's nothing new. What your not understanding is, they are not doing it to be mean, it's part of the struggle they are dealing with. They are conflicted. Torn between two worlds. One world where they are living their lives like they should be (what society deems correct), and another world where they are living their lives where people find that type of behavior appalling and unacceptable.

There is so much more to this than what is presented to you up front. That's what creates the rather large divide between those that like it and those that don't.

Everyone is allowed their own opinion.

[fighthefutureofhd]

sleeping with a mexican w***e when you're in love with someone else is not part of the struggle. none of their actions is part of the "struggle". that's just an flimsy way of excusing their behavior. it doesn't wash. supposidly jake and heath's characters love each, yet they treat each other so awful. that's not love. people hurt each other every day. they even hurt the people they love. but this going beyond that. they're just hurting each other they're spitting on the supposed love they have for each other. what they're doing is not love. they're cruel people who shouldn't get a pass in life because of some "struggle" michelle williams' character was upsetting and i really wish she had beat the crap out of heath's character. he deserved that and much more. i don't feel sympathy for people that basically "crap" on others simply because they're too afraid to deal with things. there's nothing more than soap opera antics and people who have no love for anyone. this movie's not that deep. not in my book.

[DrinkMore]

Again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion

[clownface]

I initially resisted watching this movie until my wife kept saying she wanted to see it. That said I thought it was pretty good...not excellent like so many people have said. Both heath & Jake give really good performances but I didn't think the story was as realistic as people have portrayed it to be. Not for my collection, but the cinematography was good.

[fighthefutureofhd]

thank you. i agree.

[reginaroadie]

Just to throw in my two cents about the movie, the film is essentially a forbidden love story. There have been plenty before, and there will be plenty after. In this case, it's just between two men in the Mid West.

Another thing about the film that people forget, but really stood out in my mind, was just the setting and the environment where it took place in. I grew up on a farm in southern Saskatchewan near a farming community. I've been around rodeos, dances in community halls, all kinds of farms and anything to do with agriculture and almost empty small towns with people very much like in the film. For me, I was just happy of the fact that a big, elegant indie film, while set from the 60's to the early 80's in Wyoming, was able to perfectly capture life in the area which I grew up in.

I haven't looked at all the comments on the thread, but I would just like to say that I thought Michelle Williams was amazing. She one the few actresses under 30 that really uses her eyes to convey so much emotion, so that while you're rooting for Jack and Ennis, you still feel the pain of Alma when she realizes who her husband is. And I don't think he completely shit on her. I think he did genuinely care for her and their two girls. It's just that his feelings for Jack is something he's never experienced and has no idea how to deal with, which in turn damages Alma, which culminates in that great scene in the kitchen when she tears him a new one. And by the end of the film, the only person he still talks to is Alma Jr.

Just great, amazing performances all around. Even Anna Faris in her 30 seconds in the film was a delight.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

there is little depth to this film. these two characters treat everyone around them like shit and the movie just says it wasn't their fault. it was society's and the time period they were living in. that doesn't excuse how they treated their wives and each other. they were p**Ks and they get hailed. i don't think this movie has more depth than that and it seems to glorify this kind of behavior. we're supposed to feel empathy for these characters, but i don't feel empathy for people that knowingly act this way. people have a choice. they don't have to be cruel to others. and they need to stop blaming society. these two characters in brokeback mountain acted on their own free will.

I completely agree with 100% of what you said.

[Sky_Captain]

I just can't quit this thread...

[Hep]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

there is little depth to this film. these two characters treat everyone around them like shit and the movie just says it wasn't their fault. it was society's and the time period they were living in. that doesn't excuse how they treated their wives and each other. they were p**Ks and they get hailed. i don't think this movie has more depth than that and it seems to glorify this kind of behavior. we're supposed to feel empathy for these characters, but i don't feel empathy for people that knowingly act this way. people have a choice. they don't have to be cruel to others. and they need to stop blaming society. these two characters in brokeback mountain acted on their own free will.

Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

I completely agree with 100% of what you said.

Well, I disagree 99%; the other 1% is reserved for understanding your point of view, but also understanding that you have missed the empathy boat. What level you decide to engage this movie is what boils down to your personal opinion - which of course you are entitled to. However, just because you fail to truly put yourself in the place of the characters, and are unable empathize with their plight does not make the film shallow, or lacking depth. Understandably it is hard for a member of the social majority to really empathize with minority experiences, but this movie was very effective in reaffirming my understanding of North American culture; so in my case, I found it enjoyable as generic love story, but on a deeper level enjoyed the commentary on American culture. I will be purchasing this disc day one.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by Hep

Well, I disagree 99%; the other 1% is reserved for understanding your point of view, but also understanding that you have missed the empathy boat. What level you decide to engage this movie is what boils down to your personal opinion - which of course you are entitled to. However, just because you fail to truly put yourself in the place of the characters, and are unable empathize with their plight does not make the film shallow, or lacking depth. Understandably it is hard for a member of the social majority to really empathize with minority experiences, but this movie was very effective in reaffirming my understanding of North American culture; so in my case, I found it enjoyable as generic love story, but on a deeper level enjoyed the commentary on American culture. I will be purchasing this disc day one.

there's no plight. they made their bed and they need to lie in it. there's no plight to cheaters. doesn't matter the circumstances cause it never makes it right. what these people did is really hard to forgive and just let go. it not about minority experiences. these people aren't "minorities" in the same sense of other actual minorities. just labeling them minorities doesn't excuse their behavior or sweep it under the rug. they knew what they were doing. not only to others around them, but to each other. neither one of them cared for anyone but themselves and their own selfish spoiled needs. if jake's character was truly in love with heath's then why sleep with mexican john's? none of it adds up. it's just an empty waste.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

there's no plight. they made their bed and they need to lie in it. there's no plight to cheaters. doesn't matter the circumstances cause it never makes it right. what these people did is really hard to forgive and just let go. it not about minority experiences. these people aren't "minorities" in the same sense of other actual minorities. just labeling them minorities doesn't excuse their behavior or sweep it under the rug. they knew what they were doing. not only to others around them, but to each other. neither one of them cared for anyone but themselves and their own selfish spoiled needs. if jake's character was truly in love with heath's then why sleep with mexican john's? none of it adds up. it's just an empty waste.

I completely agree. And, for the record, I'm gay and I was disgusted by their actions. They were BOTH p*****s. I, for one, would much rather have seen a story based on the two cowboys/farmers who fell in love and spent their lives together, as referenced in the movie. These two were whiney *****es who were too scared to live their lives as they wanted to and, as a result, screwed up everyone elses.

[masoud90]

Yeah...that's the drama of the movie...they weren't perfect people. They were screw ups...That's why people care. If everything was perfect, why would it be special? Their love was nice, but they also cheated on their wives...you are not supposed to empathize with their lost love, but with how their stupidity ruined it. The decisions they made changed their lives forever...that is pretty realistic compared to if they never did anything like that. They weren't supposed to be perfect.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

I completely agree. And, for the record, I'm gay and I was disgusted by their actions. They were BOTH p*****s. I, for one, would much rather have seen a story based on the two cowboys/farmers who fell in love and spent their lives together, as referenced in the movie. These two were whiney *****es who were too scared to live their lives as they wanted to and, as a result, screwed up everyone elses.

So a story about two people who fall in love and spend their lives together (happily ever after), is more realistic than how it is now - two guys who were too scared to live their lives like they wanted and as a result messed up everything else about it? Wow.

You know, I have touched on this but I need to say it again - for someone in your position and the avatar you sport - you have a lot of anger in you towards the world. You really do.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by masoud90

Yeah...that's the drama of the movie...they weren't perfect people. They were screw ups...That's why people care. If everything was perfect, why would it be special? Their love was nice, but they also cheated on their wives...you are not supposed to empathize with their lost love, but with how their stupidity ruined it. The decisions they made changed their lives forever...that is pretty realistic compared to if they never did anything like that. They weren't supposed to be perfect.

don't forget they cheated on each other as well. that's just as important as them cheating on their wives. if not more important. it devalues any love they're supposed to have for each other. i don't empathize for people treating others like doormats. stupid decisions happen. we all make them. but most of realize the mistakes we've made and feel remorse. these two never felt any kind of remorse until the very end when it too fecking late. what's the point then. and even then it was only one person who felt remorse and they end up screwed in the end. nice. real nice. these people deserve a reward for their wonderfulness.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

So a story about two people who fall in love and spend their lives together (happily ever after), is more realistic than how it is now - two guys who were too scared to live their lives like they wanted and as a result messed up everything else about it? Wow.

You know, I have touched on this but I need to say it again - for someone in your position and the avatar you sport - you have a lot of anger in you towards the world. You really do.

it wasn't about two people who were scared to live their lives like they wanted. it was about two people who treat each other and the others around them like d**** simply because they're nothing more than awful people. if they felt one shred of remorse i might think differently. instead they're selfish fecked up people with little sense of compassion. that's not love.

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

don't forget they cheated on each other as well. that's just as important as them cheating on their wives. if not more important. it devalues any love they're supposed to have for each other. i don't empathize for people treating others like doormats. stupid decisions happen. we all make them. but most of realize the mistakes we've made and feel remorse. these two never felt any kind of remorse until the very end when it too fecking late. what's the point then. and even then it was only one person who felt remorse and they end up screwed in the end. nice. real nice. these people deserve a reward for their wonderfulness.

Yeah, you've made your opinion abundantly known. Try and leave room in the thread for others, mkay?

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

it wasn't about two people who were scared to live their lives like they wanted. it was about two people who treat each other and the others around them like d**** simply because they're nothing more than awful people. if they felt one shred of remorse i might think differently. instead they're selfish fecked up people with little sense of compassion. that's not love.

I guess the only thing I can say at this point is don't become a movie reviewer.

[PowellPressburger]

I think you people need to contact Annie Proulx I think I spelled her last name right and take it up with her.

Characters in all kinds of movies do things that we don't like, and yeah we may hate it when the Titanic sinks everytime we watch the film but without the conflict then we have no story Brokeback happened to be about characters she never were together deal with it.