Religulous

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by toefer

Maybe we watch different versions of Real Time w/ Bill Maher, but he is the most pretentious know-it-all on TV, and I'd say he's certainly more disrespectful to religious than religious people are to irreligious ones.

I disagree. Maher is quite respectful of religious people, if you want to see how disrespectful religious people are to people who are irreligious, try showing up at any gathering of religious folk and shout as loud as you can that you support certain people getting married.

Logan

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by rondanto

I wouldn't waste my time either on Bill or his movie

I would politely suggest you read the entire thread before posting:

Originally Posted by Josh

This is a tough call because here we have a thread about a film which talks about religion, so its difficult to talk about the film without discussing religion. I'm going to clean this up, and leave it open, but let me just make a few points:

1) If you haven't seen this film, you have no right to judge it, and most importantly, no reason to be in this thread. Please move on.

2) There is a reason why threads about "Passion for the Christ" and "Henry Poole is Here" haven't been closed - its because those who are against religion are showing restraint. I expect to see the same from those who are for religion.

And to those of you who were thoughtfully responding to the threadcrappers, sorry I had to delete your post. Can't delete the crap and leave the response.

I will close if you can't play nice!

Logan

[reallyagi]

The God vs. no god debate will never be resolved, so it's useless to have a fair documentary on it, it will get nowhere fast. Bill Maher is not a historian, he is a comic, who isn't afraid to insult anyone. He comes from a school of people who believe religion is the poison of this earth, like Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins. They take no prisoners when dealing with religion, and it's not related to being liberal or conservative.

Everyone should know what they are getting into before seeing this film. If you are offended by it, it's because you were stupid enough to see it. If you haven't seen it, then shut-up.

[Jeff Kleist]

I think this about sums it up

[mikejet]

Great doc if a little one sided. It's scary how some people think.

The best person in the whole movie is the priest outside the Vatican. That guy was awesome and reminded me of a Rabbi in an episode of Law & Order who said basically the same thing.

People who take the literal interpretation of relgious writings are dangerous.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by mikejet

People who take the literal interpretation of relgious writings are dangerous.

Depends on the religious writing.

For example {and I hope this doesn't get deleted} when Jesus says not to kill anybody, that's a pretty good thing and I hope it's taken literally.

However, folks who only quote certain sections of the bible but not others should finish reading the bible IMO, due to the fact that it's chocker-block full of interesting writings, for example it also says that when your wife is experiencing a certain time of the month, that she can't sleep in the same bed as her husband.

Logan

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Depends on the religious writing.

For example {and I hope this doesn't get deleted} when Jesus says not to kill anybody, that's a pretty good thing and I hope it's taken literally.

However, folks who only quote certain sections of the bible but not others should finish reading the bible IMO, due to the fact that it's chocker-block full of interesting writings, for example it also says that when your wife is experiencing a certain time of the month, that she can't sleep in the same bed as her husband.

Logan

Well, those are lessons to be learned and are great things that religion teaches us. Most religions can be taken as guidelines to follow on how to be nice to each other and get along.

This is something that has always puzzled me, most religions, if not all, teach understanding, love, and kindness. Yet wars are fought over them. Why?

I myself am Catholic. I am actually a confirmed Catholic but myself and others are kind of a newer form of Catholic. There are preists that I've talked to who say you can't take literal interpretations of what's in the Bible. They know that when they give Comminion it's a symbol of sacrifice. But some people I know take it literally and think that they are truely eating the flesh of Jesus.

[Teabaggins]

Originally Posted by mikejet

But some people I know take it literally and think that they are truely eating the flesh of Jesus.

transubstantiation, right? I calls it cannibalism

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

transubstantiation, right? I calls it cannibalism

Yep! I remember when I was in Sunday school when I was little and they still taught it. They don't teach it anymore.

[mdabb]

Originally Posted by toefer

Maybe we watch different versions of Real Time w/ Bill Maher, but he is the most pretentious know-it-all on TV, and I'd say he's certainly more disrespectful to religious than religious people are to irreligious ones.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I would rather not get into a debate as I'm sure both sides are gonna stand their ground. To me all human beings are just that and not some other worldly being or all knowing supreme being. I put no-one above me and worship nobody, except for Shakira and Penelope Cruz .That being said religion is has caused so much death and destruction around the world but at the same time many religious people do great things. However you don't have to be religious to do great things. I am not lost so I don't need to be found and just because we can't explain everything (yet) doesn't mean it's because of god.

Bill maher is human and I'm sure he would be the first to tell you he is far from perfect and doesn't claim to be. He is simply an entertainer not someone you worship, he is a comedian.

As far as disrespectful, crazy and hateful religious leaders how about........... Gordon B Hinckley, Pope Benedict, Jerry Falwell, Louis Farrakhan, Ted Haggard, Warren Jeffs, Tim McGraw (not the singer), Joeseph Smith, Mordecai Eliyahu, Rod Parsley, on and on and on.

Guys we are simply talking about a movie, you have every right to disagree with it or hate it or Bill Maher for what he says. But I would bet Bill Maher would welcome any serious religious leader/person onto his show or one of his movies for a respectful conversation but they don't and won't, hell Mike Huckabee has done it as well as others, but most religious people can't be challenged or participate and give serious answers. On the other hand I doubt you will ever see a church invite a non religious person into their church for a discussion on faith and/or religion.

I would say the vast majority of religious people are not tolerant of the way a lot of people choose to live their lives and for no good reason at that. The non-religious are lost or evil and doomed to an eternity of hell. Doesn't sound too kind to me .

[ZackL]

Originally Posted by raskal66

I loved how Bill Maher was too afraid to mock Islam in the same insulting way that he did Christianity, Judaism, and Scientology. I found his spinelessness and to be the most entertaining. Cowardice in loudmouth know-it-alls always has me in hysterics.

Did you see the film?

[ZackL]

Originally Posted by rondanto

I wouldn't waste my time either on Bill or his movie

Then don't worry about posting in this thread.

It's too bad that religious films can have a serious or lighthearted discussion without people like me coming in and telling you that you are living in a fairytale, yet when a thread in the opposite sect comes along, every religious person comes in and bashes Bill Maher and a film they haven't even seen. This thread should just be closed... rationality is overrated I guess.

[raskal66]

Originally Posted by ZackL

Did you see the film?

6 minutes with one person representing Islam, 95 minutes on the others, yeah he hit them with the same skeptical, cynical eye that he goes after the others.

I dont expect proclamations of faith from the guy. His beliefs are his business and I'm cool with that. I think he's afraid. He knows a Christian won't kill him for insulting their faith. If he attacked Islam in the same cynical, sarcastic way and it got out in the Muslim world he knows he'd be a marked man. You can't even draw Mohammed in Denmark without causing a riot in Syria. I never claimed him to be stupid, but he is spineless.

[Teabaggins]

he calls out Islam quite a bit on his show....... but he knows most muslims aren't really watching so why bother

[ZackL]

Originally Posted by raskal66

6 minutes with one person representing Islam, 95 minutes on the others, yeah he hit them with the same skeptical, cynical eye that he goes after the others.

I dont expect proclamations of faith from the guy. His beliefs are his business and I'm cool with that. I think he's afraid. He knows a Christian won't kill him for insulting their faith. If he attacked Islam in the same cynical, sarcastic way and it got out in the Muslim world he knows he'd be a marked man. You can't even draw Mohammed in Denmark without causing a riot in Syria. I never claimed him to be stupid, but he is spineless.

And what does that tell you about religion, my man?

[Tempest]

I haven't heard of this movie but can't wait to see it with my kids. Sounds quite funny.

There needs to be more movies like this to show how silly some things in this world really are.

[raskal66]

Originally Posted by ZackL

And what does that tell you about religion, my man?

It doesn't tell me anything about religion. It tells me that there are militant followers of Islam who are willing to kill. I could watch the news and know that. I've seen atehists/agnostics/seculars kill in the millions in the 20th century. My point isn't about who kills the most or who is the most intolerant. I'm merely pointing that Maher tries to portray himself as an equal opportunity offender/skeptic/humorist in this film and he fails to do so because he touches Islam with kid gloves out of fear.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

I think this about sums it up

While I agree, I am surprised Josh has not deleted that

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by mdabb

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I would rather not get into a debate as I'm sure both sides are gonna stand their ground. To me all human beings are just that and not some other worldly being or all knowing supreme being. I put no-one above me and worship nobody, except for Shakira and Penelope Cruz .That being said religion is has caused so much death and destruction around the world but at the same time many religious people do great things. However you don't have to be religious to do great things. I am not lost so I don't need to be found and just because we can't explain everything (yet) doesn't mean it's because of god.

Bill maher is human and I'm sure he would be the first to tell you he is far from perfect and doesn't claim to be. He is simply an entertainer not someone you worship, he is a comedian.

As far as disrespectful, crazy and hateful religious leaders how about........... Gordon B Hinckley, Pope Benedict, Jerry Falwell, Louis Farrakhan, Ted Haggard, Warren Jeffs, Tim McGraw (not the singer), Joeseph Smith, Mordecai Eliyahu, Rod Parsley, on and on and on.

Guys we are simply talking about a movie, you have every right to disagree with it or hate it or Bill Maher for what he says. But I would bet Bill Maher would welcome any serious religious leader/person onto his show or one of his movies for a respectful conversation but they don't and won't, hell Mike Huckabee has done it as well as others, but most religious people can't be challenged or participate and give serious answers. On the other hand I doubt you will ever see a church invite a non religious person into their church for a discussion on faith and/or religion.

I would say the vast majority of religious people are not tolerant of the way a lot of people choose to live their lives and for no good reason at that. The non-religious are lost or evil and doomed to an eternity of hell. Doesn't sound too kind to me .

But....what I am told is.....That god doesnt send me to hell, rather, I chose hell by not believing. So....I dont believe and my punisment is hell? Pretty harsh.

[ZackL]

Originally Posted by raskal66

It doesn't tell me anything about religion. It tells me that there are militant followers of Islam who are willing to kill. I could watch the news and know that. I've seen atehists/agnostics/seculars kill in the millions in the 20th century. My point isn't about who kills the most or who is the most intolerant. I'm merely pointing that Maher tries to portray himself as an equal opportunity offender/skeptic/humorist in this film and he fails to do so because he touches Islam with kid gloves out of fear.

Close the thread Please!