Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[Okiephile]

Just watched the 4K of Jurassic Park. I thought the DTS-X audio was great. Lots of action in the overhead channels, much better than most of my Atmos mixes. If the bass was neutered, I didn’t notice it.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Okiephile

Just watched the 4K of Jurassic Park. I thought the DTS-X audio was great. Lots of action in the overhead channels, much better than most of my Atmos mixes. If the bass was neutered, I didn’t notice it.

If you compared the track to the DTS Laserdisc, yes the bass is neutered and has been for quite some time.

[Okiephile]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If you compared the track to the DTS Laserdisc, yes the bass is neutered and has been for quite some time.

Don’t have it but I have the 3D Blu-ray and it seems to be the same or too close to tell. Not like the difference in Edge of Tomorrow.

[Luke M]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If you compared the track to the DTS Laserdisc, yes the bass is neutered and has been for quite some time.

According to this analysis:
https://forum.fanres.com/thread-4161.html

...the laserdisc DTS LFE was boosted (by mistake?) compared with the original theatrical 5.1.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If you compared the track to the DTS Laserdisc, yes the bass is neutered and has been for quite some time.

Originally Posted by Luke M

According to this analysis:
https://forum.fanres.com/thread-4161.html

...the laserdisc DTS LFE was boosted (by mistake?) compared with the original theatrical 5.1.

Yep. That LD is infamous for having the surrounds 3dB too loud and the LFE an insane 10dB too high. Just way over what the sound mixers intended.

[motorheadache95]

Couldn’t you just turn up the sub to compensate? I keep mine at about 50% and it’s got some decent oomph.

[jbrad182]

Does anyone know if they're going to release these DV versions individually? I already own the 5 movie steelbook case and the only movies I would wanna upgrade is 1, 2 and World.

Also I must be in a minority cause I felt the current versions looked fantastic, as for sound idk if I'd prefer Atmos over the DTS:X mix.

[gigan72]

Originally Posted by jbrad182

Does anyone know if they're going to release these DV versions individually? I already own the 5 movie steelbook case and the only movies I would wanna upgrade is 1, 2 and World.

Nope, Universal hasn't really done many of these type of reissues outside of Shaun of the Dead. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but I'd bet if they do get individuals, it'll be a while from now.

Also I must be in a minority cause I felt the current versions looked fantastic, as for sound idk if I'd prefer Atmos over the DTS:X mix.

The Lost World and the JW films all look great on 4K! JP3 looks thoroughly mediocre-to-ugly and JP 1 is much more processed than it should be with somewhat revisionist color timing.

[HeavyHitter]

I remember the forum debacle at the time when HTF was the place to be. A lot of people who were used to the insane LD overboosted bass on JP were complaining about the newly released DVD. If I recall, Universal issued a replacement with boosted bass.

[lilboyblu]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I remember the forum debacle at the time when HTF was the place to be. A lot of people who were used to the insane LD overboosted bass were complaining about the newly released DVD. If I recall, Universal issued a replacement with boosted bass.

Are you sure it wasn't because the DTS DVD was half bitrate (755 kbps) compared to the full bitrate (1.5Mbps) DTS LD?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by lilboyblu

Are you sure it wasn't because the DTS DVD was half bitrate compared to the full bitrate DTS LD?

If my memory is right, the measured levels on the intial DVD were quite a bit lower than the LD. The re-released DVD with the increased levels were much closer to the LD. I don't think the bits had much to do with it. But I'm operating on memories from 25 years ago.

[Okiephile]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Couldn’t you just turn up the sub to compensate? I keep mine at about 50% and it’s got some decent oomph.

My Yamaha has a sub trim button and you can increase or decrease by 6db, without messing with the flat or correct settings.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

If my memory is right, the measured levels on the intial DVD were quite a bit lower than the LD. The re-released DVD with the increased levels were much closer to the LD. I don't think the bits had much to do with it. But I'm operating on memories from 25 years ago.

Meanwhile the Dolby Digital DVD was fine.

[Ssj3 Goku]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Meanwhile the Dolby Digital DVD was fine.

Not really. The dolby was a remix itself with very loud lfe like the dts ld version but with very low surround levels. The 2nd pressed dts dvd mix was the best mix for the dvd format.

[d3nt0n]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

If my memory is right, the measured levels on the intial DVD were quite a bit lower than the LD. The re-released DVD with the increased levels were much closer to the LD. I don't think the bits had much to do with it. But I'm operating on memories from 25 years ago.

You would be correct. There's a good write-up on it here

[Okiephile]

Watched JW today, great DTS-X soundtrack. The 4K has more grain than the other three so I assume no dnr.

[BorisandDoris94]

The DTS LD track definitely has the surrounds 3dB too high. The LFE is up for debate but it's not 10dB too high. Compared to the original theatrical DTS track, it's about 2-3dB higher. There is some debate amongst those who have the theatrical track what the proper LFE level is. After hearing all the mixes multiple times across all formats, including theatrical, the theatrical, DTS, and AC-3 LD are all about the same in terms of overall level and feel. The DVDs, including the corrected DTS pressing, just aren't as transparent.

The Blu-rays all have remixes, with new sound effects, mixing choices, and overall levels. The 3D remix is slightly different and sounds rather good and balanced but it isn't original. The DTS X, at least down mixed to 7.1, stinks compared to the original mix. It's totally unbalanced by comparison.

I'm hopeful the Atmos mix will sound more like the original in terms of balance but I won't hold my breath.

In my opinion, this is the pecking order:

1. Theatrical DTS
2. DTS LaserDisc
3. LPCM LaserDisc (Dolby Surround)
4. AC3 LaserDisc
5. DTS DVD
6. 7.1 3D Rydstrom remix

Everything else is unacceptable or compromised in some way.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by BorisandDoris94

The DTS LD track definitely has the surrounds 3dB too high.

[Show spoiler]The LFE is up for debate but it's not 10dB too high. Compared to the original theatrical DTS track, it's about 2-3dB higher. There is some debate amongst those who have the theatrical track what the proper LFE level is. After hearing all the mixes multiple times across all formats, including theatrical, the theatrical, DTS, and AC-3 LD are all about the same in terms of overall level and feel. The DVDs, including the corrected DTS pressing, just aren't as transparent.

The Blu-rays all have remixes, with new sound effects, mixing choices, and overall levels. The 3D remix is slightly different and sounds rather good and balanced but it isn't original. The DTS X, at least down mixed to 7.1, stinks compared to the original mix. It's totally unbalanced by comparison.

I'm hopeful the Atmos mix will sound more like the original in terms of balance but I won't hold my breath.

In my opinion, this is the pecking order:

1. Theatrical DTS
2. DTS LaserDisc
3. LPCM LaserDisc (Dolby Surround)
4. AC3 LaserDisc
5. DTS DVD
6. 7.1 3D Rydstrom remix

Everything else is unacceptable or compromised in some way.

I don't understand anything else you wrote; consider me mostly tech-illiterate. Still, you're complaining about three stinking decibels?! The average audio range for most people is 50 to 60 dB, and nothing gets really dangerous unless you push it past 85.

[SCS_Shoug]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I don't understand anything else you wrote; consider me mostly tech-illiterate. Still, you're complaining about three stinking decibels?! The average audio range for most people is 50 to 60 dB, and nothing gets really dangerous unless you push it past 85.

That's a pretty big difference there. The 3dB boost on theatrical surround channels is meant to be played over an entire array of big surround speakers in a bigger room that are often much farther away from the listener, not two in a smaller home theater that are often much MUCH closer, which is why even when a home mix is otherwise untouched they always make sure to turn the surrounds down by 3dB or else they become overpowering (not to mention how it'd likely wreak havoc on downmixing). Same goes for LFE given that in theaters the bass is meant for a big sub with a big auditorium rather than something tamer in a space usually the size of the average living room.

[BorisandDoris94]

It’s honestly remarkable how many home mixes forget the -3dB on surrounds.