The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by rickah88

First of all, my initial quote wasn't directed at anyone. YOU took it upon yourself to respond to ME.

I sure did, and if you read that initial response of mine to your initial quote, you'll see I admitted I didn't know who you were talking to, but regardless I found your analogy lacking and explained that opinion.

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by Steve Lilley

Why is it bad for other people to have different interpretations of a movie?

It isn't, but interpretations are irrelevant to the issue. It's valid critiques OF A MOVIE vs completely ridiculous expectations/standards about how realistic a MOVIE can be. How could he get back to Gotham after climbing out of the pit, what about the timer, why didn't somebody just shoot Bane...blah blah blah. These are the type of moronic critiques that are being made. Hey, while all you geniuses are at it, maybe you could explain why those damned eagles didn't just drop the ring into Mt. Doom and be done w/ the whole LOTR trilogy in 5 minutes...

[brian9229]

Sweet merciful heavens!!! Its a movie!! Whats more, its a Superhero movie!!!! Who the hell looks for sound logic in a superhero movie???!!!

[42041]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Nobody is trying to turn fiction into fact, but some of us do expect a bit of believability and coherence -- particularly from Mr. Chris RTOB Nolan himself (the RTOB stands for Realistic Take On Batman). It's not like this is an episode of the Powerpuff Girls or something. It's a movie trying to sell itself as a believable take on Batman. So it probably shouldn't blatantly throw physics or character logic out the window.

The Nolan Batman movies were never "realistic". They certainly are less extravagantly outlandish than your usual comic book material, but it's still firmly comic book material.

The scenes you mentioned didn't take me or anyone I know who saw it out of the film. Are they uninspired? Yes. Do they fit within the internal logic of the Nolan Batman universe? Yes.

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

You are absolutely correct, it was just plain stupid how little time they left on the bomb and how far out he supposedly got it in that amount of time. Also, as a citizen of Gotham, my gut feeling from the size of the mushroom cloud would have not been to stand around cheering, it would have been to run my ass into the nearest led-lined bomb shelter to hide from the radiation cloud and a sickness that would doom me for the rest of my life.

But what really grinds my gears:

What kind of a B-movie hero wastes precious seconds making out with a girl instead of hauling ass to get the NUCLEAR BOMB out of the city? I expect a lot of "I would" responses (and yes, I, too, would rather make out with Anne Hathaway for 5 seconds than save my own skin and an entire city) -- but that is precisely why none of we self-obsessed losers are Batman.

[Show spoiler]BATMAN should NOT do that.

Still liked the movie though. Although, while I was watching it, I decided that it plays more like an extremely long trailer for some other movie in which I actually have time between cuts and one-liners to care about and process what's happening and in which characters have depth and are not just themselves plot devices.

The whole time thing is just cinematic diversion. The auto-pilot was fixed and he had more than one batwing. The nuclear bomb in the film was a fusion nuclear bomb, not a fission nuclear bomb. A fusion bomb does not have any of that nuclear radiation fallout, only the fission nuclear explosion create the dispersion of radiation along with the blast and not just the blast with a fusion explosion.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by 42041

The Nolan Batman movies were never "realistic". They certainly are less extravagantly outlandish than your usual comic book material, but it's still firmly comic book material.

The scenes you mentioned didn't take me or anyone I know who saw it out of the film. Are they uninspired? Yes. Do they fit within the internal logic of the Nolan Batman universe? Yes.

Sorry, I guess I should have made his middle name "MRTOB" (More). Either way you know what I meant. I already said I like the film. But you can't allow me a "come on" moment or two, I have to just shut up and pretend like I thought every single second of the movie was the best 24 frames ever flashed before my eyes?

So your eyes really did not even do a quarter or eighth roll in your head when, like some outdated and cliche action hero or yesteryear, Batman grabs Catwoman and plants one on her while mere seconds remain to prevent Gotham's destruction? Sixteenth roll, even?

IIRC there was a similar moment in Star Trek when Spock lets Uhura impede his urgent need to get to his imploding planet by starting a game of tonsil hockey or similar... Also eye-rolling & unlike the character.

[MifuneFan]

If we really want to analyze the movie using a realism litmus test, then let's focus on one of the more glaring issues about the bomb plot: The countdown clock. The bomb is apparently becoming more and more unstable and is given an estimate of when it may detonate a few months in advance. It is 100% unrealistic to believe that anyone could time the exact moment that it becomes completely unstable and blows up down to the last nanosecond, especially considering the varying/non-constant conditions it is being put through. So while you're all arguing about how unrealistic it is for something to fly the om offshore so fast, it's probably more unrealistic for the bomb to even have an accurate timer on it at all.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

How could he get back to Gotham after climbing out of the pit, what about the timer, why didn't somebody just shoot Bane...blah blah blah. These are the type of moronic critiques that are being made. Hey, while all you geniuses are at it, maybe you could explain why those damned eagles didn't just drop the ring into Mt. Doom and be done w/ the whole LOTR trilogy in 5 minutes...

Each of those critiques you mentioned are different from one another in basic nature and not everyone is bothered by the same ones.

Someone told me the eagles don't like to get involved in the affairs of the various humanoid races. In a fantasy world that explanation makes sense. Otherwise I would wonder that, or at least why they didn't just take them straight from the Shire to Smaug in The Hobbit.

Originally Posted by unsung122212

The whole time thing is just cinematic diversion. The auto-pilot was fixed and he had more than one batwing. The nuclear bomb in the film was a fusion nuclear bomb, not a fission nuclear bomb. A fusion bomb does not have any of that nuclear radiation fallout, only the fission nuclear explosion create the dispersion of radiation along with the blast and not just the blast with a fusion explosion.

Fair enough on the bomb. Although I'm not sure the average Gothamite would know that or be reasoning it through at the time so I'm still surprised they just gaped at it.

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

If we really want to analyze the movie using a realism litmus test, then let's focus on one of the more glaring issues about the bomb plot: The countdown clock. The bomb is apparently becoming more and more unstable and is given an estimate of when it may detonate a few months in advance. It is 100% unrealistic to believe that anyone could time the exact moment that it becomes completely unstable and blows up down to the last nanosecond, especially considering the varying/non-constant conditions it is being put through. So while you're all arguing about how unrealistic it is for something to fly the om offshore so fast, it's probably more unrealistic for the bomb to even have an accurate timer on it at all.

The math will be able to get very close to the length that it would be. Also, this was fusion reactor, which is not possible yet to make, and the ability to create a fusion bomb is also still out of reach of possibility. The ability to predict the length for it explode from it being unstable could be possible. But, in the end it is all just hypothetical since no actual device is available in the real world. Besides, one could argue that even the timer counts down to zero, the explosion could have occurred seconds or minutes it reached zero.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

So while you're all arguing about how unrealistic it is for something to fly the om offshore so fast, it's probably more unrealistic for the bomb to even have an accurate timer on it at all.

That may be a good point. I entered the fray not primarily to focus on the speed of the Bat, but more to raise my own related complaint about "seven seconds in heaven" with Selina. That's the thing that bothered me more. But since some seek to stifle complaints by painting them all with some identical "idiots" brush, I also unfortunately ended up, as usual, having to argue in general why "it's fiction!" is not always the catch-all defense to the more analytical among us that many seem to think it is.

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Fair enough on the bomb. Although I'm not sure the average Gothamite would know that or be reasoning it through at the time so I'm still surprised they just gaped at it.

Yeah, they wouldn't have knowned the difference. I just chalked that up to actually see the mushroom cloud and that batman sacrificed his life.

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Fair enough on the bomb. Although I'm not sure the average Gothamite would know that or be reasoning it through at the time so I'm still surprised they just gaped at it.

I think you're underestimating the "looky-loo" nature we humans have. There have been car wrecks from people too mesmerized about what is going on on the side of the road to pay attention to what is right in front of them. In the movie, they were all pretty much trapped on the bridge. There was no time for them to run to a safe place, even if they had to. What did you wanna see? Everyone running around like chickens with their heads cut off, freaking out because a big@ss bomb just blew up out over the bay? I don't believe real people would. They would be too shocked at Batman's sacrifice to do much of anything, which is what I believe they were staring off in the distance about. It wasn't the explosion. It was the loss of their hero that had gripped their attention. The timer thing is a Hollywood trope. So is kissing the girl before you go save [whatever]. There are other movies that have done this, so I don't see why this one should be any different, or criticized for it.

Geez, lighten up, guys. It's a COMIC-BASED MOVIE! When did they become something more than just entertainment and escapism? I realize that Nolan wanted a "real world" Batman, but in the end, when all is said and done, it's a movie based off of a series of comic books. Did it bother anybody that a judge's car blew up with like a million packs worth of Joker cards in "TDK"? Did nobody sit and think, "Did The Joker really just steal a crap load of decks, just to sift through them for the Joker cards?" So why are folks thinking so hard about the end of "TDKR"?

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

The timer thing is a Hollywood trope. So is kissing the girl before you go save [whatever]. There are other movies that have done this, so I don't see why this one should be any different, or criticized for it.

Geez, lighten up, guys. It's a COMIC-BASED MOVIE!

I have to be honest here and say I don't remember how many seconds are left at kissy time. But since it is right before the fly-away I have been figuring it was close to the earlier-quoted 10. If there were 2 minutes left on the bomb, maybe even 1, fine, have at it a bit, lovebirds...I guess. But the closer you get to 0 the more my eyes roll. I called it a trope myself using other terms and that is one reason I don't like it; do we need more films full of those?

The last thing I'm saying here is, how many times does a person have to repeat that they LIKE THE MOVIE and are just voicing some observations (in an intentionally humorous manner) before people stop responding to them with "lighten up"? How much lighter could a little chat on a forum be? Nobody is calling for a lynching or even saying the film is bad!

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

If we really want to analyze the movie using a realism litmus test, then let's focus on one of the more glaring issues about the bomb plot: The countdown clock. The bomb is apparently becoming more and more unstable and is given an estimate of when it may detonate a few months in advance. It is 100% unrealistic to believe that anyone could time the exact moment that it becomes completely unstable and blows up down to the last nanosecond, especially considering the varying/non-constant conditions it is being put through. So while you're all arguing about how unrealistic it is for something to fly the om offshore so fast, it's probably more unrealistic for the bomb to even have an accurate timer on it at all.

Scratch the word "probably" and you've really got something.

[sunnya23]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I have to be honest here and say I don't remember how many seconds are left at kissy time. But since it is right before the fly-away I have been figuring it was close to the earlier-quoted 10. If there were 2 minutes left on the bomb, maybe even 1, fine, have at it a bit, lovebirds...I guess. But the closer you get to 0 the more my eyes roll. I called it a trope myself using other terms and that is one reason I don't like it; do we need more films full of those?

The last thing I'm saying here is, how many times does a person have to repeat that they LIKE THE MOVIE and are just voicing some observations (in an intentionally humorous manner) before people stop responding to them with "lighten up"? How much lighter could a little chat on a forum be? Nobody is calling for a lynching or even saying the film is bad!

Not that it would matter, but I hope you realize that it was Selina Kyle who laid the kiss on Batman, not Batman on Selina Kyle.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by sunnya23

Not that it would matter, but I hope you realize that it was Selina Kyle who laid the kiss on Batman, not Batman on Selina Kyle.

Cripes, was it? Well, you're right...even still Bats did not have to indulge it as he did. Is this where we say, just like a woman, waxing romantic at the sight of fusion bombs?
And ^^ THAT is truly the last thing I will say here.

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I have to be honest here and say I don't remember how many seconds are left at kissy time. But since it is right before the fly-away I have been figuring it was close to the earlier-quoted 10. If there were 2 minutes left on the bomb, maybe even 1, fine, have at it a bit, lovebirds...I guess. But the closer you get to 0 the more my eyes roll. I called it a trope myself using other terms and that is one reason I don't like it; do we need more films full of those?

The last thing I'm saying here is, how many times does a person have to repeat that they LIKE THE MOVIE and are just voicing some observations (in an intentionally humorous manner) before people stop responding to them with "lighten up"? How much lighter could a little chat on a forum be? Nobody is calling for a lynching or even saying the film is bad!

It was around 1:55 left when he was hooking the bomb to the batwing and then the kiss. The thing that bugs me is that he tells Selina that the autopilot doesn't work and at the end he is with her in Italy. I know it is just about creating suspense and tricking people to think Bruce was going to die.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I sure did, and if you read that initial response of mine to your initial quote, you'll see I admitted I didn't know who you were talking to, but regardless I found your analogy lacking and explained that opinion.

The more ludicrous the scenario the better...that was my point in posting. Fiction is just that: Fiction!

Why don't you are Mr.Obelisk open up a thread all about Fictional movie improbabilities and why those improbabilities won't work in the real world?

[lone_star_obelisk]

Originally Posted by rickah88

The more ludicrous the scenario the better...that was my point in posting. Fiction is just that: Fiction!

Why don't you are Mr.Obelisk open up a thread all about Fictional movie improbabilities and why those improbabilities won't work in the real world?

But of course the title of the movie would have to be changed to something like The Dark Knight Rises to Scratch His Space Balls

Heil, rickah88! the Bossy Blu-ray Knight Thread Nazi Wannabe....

[NzYme]

I came here to talk about how kick ass the audio is in this BD. Are we really judging the realism in this movie? People....People....IT'S F'IN BATMAN! The whole damn premise is based on a comic book!!