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Old 02-10-2018, 06:26 PM   #6661
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1. The market cannot fully sustain all of these new streaming services. At some point the bubble will burst and a few of them will fail.

2. Every month or two I pick a new service to get and watch the content on it that I want. The only constant is Netflix because so many people in the household view it on a monthly basis. Cost shouldn't be much of an issue if you are constantly joining and cancelling services each month.

3. The upcoming DC Streaming Service really pisses me off. Time Warner already has HBO. That content should be put on there, not separated onto a second streaming service for the same company.

4. Disney is about to triple dip with Hulu, Disney Streaming, and ESPN streaming. That's even worse.
What everything has in common is Streaming Video, and I say Fiber Networks and 5G Wireless will take over. To access all these Streaming Providers you'll need Solid and Plenty of Bandwidth. No one is really talking about the kind of Infrastructure that will be needed in the near Future. Google made us aware of Gigabit Fiber, and most thought it was overkill but I think it will be the Standard soon enough!
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Filmstruck is more of a niche I'll admit it, but I hope it survives. I'm sure TCM can afford it.

Plus maybe it'll attract more users once it finally arrives on game consoles and native TV apps
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Old 02-11-2018, 05:35 AM   #6663
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What everything has in common is Streaming Video, and I say Fiber Networks and 5G Wireless will take over. To access all these Streaming Providers you'll need Solid and Plenty of Bandwidth. No one is really talking about the kind of Infrastructure that will be needed in the near Future. Google made us aware of Gigabit Fiber, and most thought it was overkill but I think it will be the Standard soon enough!
When you say "no one" is talking about it, do you mean here in this thread, or in life in general?

Because in either case, it's up to the service providers/ISPs to update their infrastructure in whatever form is needed to handle the needs of streaming and so forth (be is fiber or something else as good or better).

What is there really to talk about? Are we supposed to just bring it up randomly just because (which is pretty much what you do)? It's like you have absolutely no other talking points, so you just shoehorn this into the conversation every chance you get.

You are pretty much doing this again...

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Sorry for sounding like a broken record, but I was just trying to make a point. If we all agree now that Streaming HD is the road we are all headed, then you have to look at Fiber is the way to go. People moving for faster Internet may not be the answer, but if a move is in the works Internet should be at the top of that list.

It might seem like Donster "Fantasy Island," but it's not that far fetched. I have moved several times, and one time I moved into a Community that only had Dial-Up and when I left it had Verizon FiOS. I Retired from The Industry, and the Copper Infrastructure was older than I am, and I'm almost as Old As Dirt. So when I say Fiber should be the Infrastructure, I think I know what I am talking about. I just see when I talk to people about this their eyes glaze over, so it just gets to me that most just don't understand.
And what point is that exactly?

Your work in the industry is rather moot with regard to this conversation. For one thing, it's not like someone has to have worked installing various types of wiring just to comprehend which is superior. And again, no one is saying that fiber isn't superior to copper. That's a huge part of your problem. You keep arguing in favor of it, as if people are arguing with you against it.

It's not a matter of people understanding it or not understanding it. It's a matter of it being something that is either out of their control (i.e. not necessarily available in their area), or is just a moot in regards to the point that they are making.

It's not like these tech companies are actively trying to get fiber out there all across the country as quickly as possible to as many areas as they can, and the people in those areas are actively rejecting it and stopping them from doing so.




It's hard to make a perfect analogy for this, but it's almost as if everyone else is debating whether TGI Fridays or Applebees is the better restaurant (kind of like the discussion in the digital vs physical thread), and you keep jumping in saying "Such-&-Such brand of food storage containers are the best of any brand for keeping your leftovers fresh for as long as possible!" And that brand of containers is only available in select regions, and mainly only in regular stores, and not sold online.

Then when you keep bring that up, you get replies such as:

- "I almost always eat my entire meal at the restaurant and rarely even have leftovers. And when I do have leftovers, I typically eat them later the same day and don't need to store them for an extended period of time." (kind of like people who feel that Blu-Ray and 4K Blu-Ray offer superior, more consistent experiences, and more importantly can be used where ever they live regardless of internet speeds, and gives them more control over their content).

- "Those containers aren't available in my area, and I have no easy way of obtaining them" (i.e. someone living in an area that doesn't have the best infrastructure and speeds, and can't realistically move because of it).

-Or, as more applicable to the subject of this thread, someone is focusing in on just one restaurant, talking about how the quality of their food even when served hot out of the kitchen is/has become substandard or disappointing (i.e. people with high internet speeds still getting sub-par streaming which likely has more to do with the streaming service in question and/or the quality of the file being streamed... meaning that even if they had fiber, it likely wouldn't make a difference since the delivery method isn't the issue).

In these three examples, the food storage container brand that you would be going on about would be completely moot. In the first example, no food storage container is even needed. In the second example, the person just doesn't have reasonable access to those containers, even if they have leftovers to store. And the third example is of the the person feeling that the food is of poor quality up front right when it's cooked, and in that case it's not even a matter of keeping leftovers fresh... it's of the quality of the food before "leftovers" are even a factor (it's not like storing poor-quality food in one of these containers for a while will magically make the quality improve). And in all three of these examples, NO ONE is denying the quality of the food storage containers that you are talking about... they just have pretty much little to no relevance to the points that these people are making.

But rather than acknowledging that, you act like these are all somehow counterpoints to and attacks against the quality of these storage containers, and you just keeping on replying, saying things like, "Such-&-Such food storage containers ARE the best!! They beat any and all competitor options! They are the undeniable future of all food storage!! Why does everyone keep denying this and not understand?! I worked in the food-store-container industry for YEARS and know what I'm talking about! If these aren't available in your area, then you should make moving to a region where these are available a top priority!"

And then you wonder why you get the reactions that you do.



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Old 02-11-2018, 12:52 PM   #6664
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Today is my birthday! And I got the best present I could have asked for! My ophthalmologist says my prognosis is excellent and that barring any unexpected relapses that my left eye should recover just fine with no damage sustained.

I have no restrictions now on my viewing electronic screens, so for the first time in over three weeks I can watch a movie in a single sitting. Being that it is my birthday, I have lots of new shiny discs to choose from, too. Seeing as my ability to watch 3D has been saved, I think I will pick a 3D blu-ray to start things off.
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Old 02-11-2018, 01:20 PM   #6665
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Today is my birthday! And I got the best present I could have asked for! My ophthalmologist says my prognosis is excellent and that barring any unexpected relapses that my left eye should recover just fine with no damage sustained.

I have no restrictions now on my viewing electronic screens, so for the first time in over three weeks I can watch a movie in a single sitting. Being that it is my birthday, I have lots of new shiny discs to choose from, too. Seeing as my ability to watch 3D has been saved, I think I will pick a 3D blu-ray to start things off.
Pleased to hear that, must be a weight off your shoulders?
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Pleased to hear that, must be a weight off your shoulders?
It has been a nerve wracking and often painful ordeal. So much weight is off of my shoulders that I am simply buoyant. I will never take my eyesight for granted again.
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It has been a nerve wracking and often painful ordeal. So much weight is off of my shoulders that I am simply buoyant. I will never take my eyesight for granted again.
Enjoy your films and your birthday.
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Vilya. That is great news. I hope you will enjoy your movies from now on.

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What everything has in common is Streaming Video, and I say Fiber Networks and 5G Wireless will take over. To access all these Streaming Providers you'll need Solid and Plenty of Bandwidth. No one is really talking about the kind of Infrastructure that will be needed in the near Future. Google made us aware of Gigabit Fiber, and most thought it was overkill but I think it will be the Standard soon enough!
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When you say "no one" is talking about it, do you mean here in this thread, or in life in general?

Because in either case, it's up to the service providers/ISPs to update their infrastructure in whatever form is needed to handle the needs of streaming and so forth (be is fiber or something else as good or better).

What is there really to talk about? Are we supposed to just bring it up randomly just because (which is pretty much what you do)? It's like you have absolutely no other talking points, so you just shoehorn this into the conversation every chance you get.

You are pretty much doing this again...
See this is what I mean, most people think like you do, the ISP/Providers/"Experts" will do what is needed. Maybe in the past they upgraded to a certain extent, but it just has gotten too costly. That's why AT&T and Verizon stopped their Infrastructure Deployment, the demand was not there. I brought up Google because they opened peoples eyes to Gigabit Fiber, but they had to stop Deployment because of Cost and Demand. I just want you guys to at least keep it in the back of your minds, that as Streaming gets more popular Infrastructure will be the Basic Need. Technology moves fast don't get caught behind the curve, everyone is in control of their own Needs and Priorities don't just rely on "The Experts."
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See this is what I mean, most people think like you do, the ISP/Providers/"Experts" will do what is needed. Maybe in the past they upgraded to a certain extent, but it just has gotten too costly. That's why AT&T and Verizon stopped their Infrastructure Deployment, the demand was not there. I brought up Google because they opened peoples eyes to Gigabit Fiber, but they had to stop Deployment because of Cost and Demand. I just want you guys to at least keep it in the back of your minds, that as Streaming gets more popular Infrastructure will be the Basic Need. Technology moves fast don't get caught behind the curve, everyone is in control of their own Needs and Priorities don't just rely on "The Experts."
Okay...

When better internet is available, and if the price is reasonable, I'll upgrade.

I'm not sure what else you expect anyone here to do. And what the hell is with you randomly starting words mid-sentence with capital letters? Are you just trying to make yourself seem crazier than you already do?
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And what the hell is with you randomly starting words mid-sentence with capital letters? Are you just trying to make yourself seem crazier than you already do?
It's working.
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Today is my birthday! And I got the best present I could have asked for! My ophthalmologist says my prognosis is excellent and that barring any unexpected relapses that my left eye should recover just fine with no damage sustained.

I have no restrictions now on my viewing electronic screens, so for the first time in over three weeks I can watch a movie in a single sitting. Being that it is my birthday, I have lots of new shiny discs to choose from, too. Seeing as my ability to watch 3D has been saved, I think I will pick a 3D blu-ray to start things off.
That's great news! Happy birthday!
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Streaming is not for me. I get free cable with my Homeowners Monthly fee, so I might as well use it. I've got Amazon Prime, so that is what I stream, but I don't use it much besides The Man in the High Castle, and a few movies. Anyway, if I started adding Netflix, HBONow, etc... it would be money that I wouldn't be using that much. Now, if I didn't get cable free, I would do the Netflix, Hulu thing again (used to do it a few years ago).

Anyway, a perfect argument to do both, is my experience last night. My internet was down, and it still was this morning. There was a construction mishap, and I'm down for a day or two. I got $25 off my internet bill, so that's cool. But, the point was, I was going to finish watching "Career Opportunities" on my AppleTV, but I couldn't. So, after my initial anger, I went into my office and pulled out the physical disc of "To Live and Die in L.A.", and that's what I watched last night.

Yet, another reason why I will not put all my eggs in one basket. For me, I do both, and I don't see that changing at all.
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If I was a physical buyer, this is where I'd point out that if you'd stuck to discs you would've gotten to finish the movie you were watching. Not clear how watching a completely different film improved the situation. Did cable go out too and you were looking for anything to watch?

What I'll say instead is that it's possible to tether your Apple TV to your phone. Depends on your phone plan of course but these days "unlimited" plans are everywhere. More than enough to watch a few movies if the internet goes out for a day or two.

I'm glad things worked out for you regardless. I can barely stand my internet being out for half an hour but it's got nothing to do with watching video.
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Streaming is not for me. I get free cable with my Homeowners Monthly fee, so I might as well use it. I've got Amazon Prime, so that is what I stream, but I don't use it much besides The Man in the High Castle, and a few movies. Anyway, if I started adding Netflix, HBONow, etc... it would be money that I wouldn't be using that much. Now, if I didn't get cable free, I would do the Netflix, Hulu thing again (used to do it a few years ago).

Anyway, a perfect argument to do both, is my experience last night. My internet was down, and it still was this morning. There was a construction mishap, and I'm down for a day or two. I got $25 off my internet bill, so that's cool. But, the point was, I was going to finish watching "Career Opportunities" on my AppleTV, but I couldn't. So, after my initial anger, I went into my office and pulled out the physical disc of "To Live and Die in L.A.", and that's what I watched last night.

Yet, another reason why I will not put all my eggs in one basket. For me, I do both, and I don't see that changing at all.
Yeah, that would be a nuisance I imagine.
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If I was a physical buyer, this is where I'd point out that if you'd stuck to discs you would've gotten to finish the movie you were watching. Not clear how watching a completely different film improved the situation. Did cable go out too and you were looking for anything to watch?
I can't speak for him, of course, but I would imagine that the point was that when all else fails, physical media is there since you really don't need any outside service aside from electricity to run it (and let's face it, if the electricity goes out, then whether or not the internet or cable is working becomes a moot point).

Obviously having that particular title on a physical disc would have been even more optimal, but his situation as-is with having at least some physical media available is far from being the worst case scenario.

I don't know if his cable went out too (maybe the same service provider does both the cable and internet and both were impacted), but even if not, maybe he wanted other options beyond just what the cable service provides.
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If I was a physical buyer, this is where I'd point out that if you'd stuck to discs you would've gotten to finish the movie you were watching. Not clear how watching a completely different film improved the situation. Did cable go out too and you were looking for anything to watch?
It's not an argument for Physical or digital. What I'm saying is having both physical and digital in your collection is the best way to go. At least it is for me. Anyway, it's no big deal switching movies. The fact that I was able to do so was key. Hopefully, I'll get to finish "Career Opportunities" tonight.

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What I'll say instead is that it's possible to tether your Apple TV to your phone. Depends on your phone plan of course but these days "unlimited" plans are everywhere. More than enough to watch a few movies if the internet goes out for a day or two.

I'm glad things worked out for you regardless. I can barely stand my internet being out for half an hour but it's got nothing to do with watching video.
Ahhh, I can't. I do xfinity mobile for my iPhone, and I pay $12 per gig/month. So, I'd rather put in a physical disc instead of pushing my data allotment per month.
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See this is what I mean, most people think like you do, the ISP/Providers/"Experts" will do what is needed. Maybe in the past they upgraded to a certain extent, but it just has gotten too costly. That's why AT&T and Verizon stopped their Infrastructure Deployment, the demand was not there. I brought up Google because they opened peoples eyes to Gigabit Fiber, but they had to stop Deployment because of Cost and Demand. I just want you guys to at least keep it in the back of your minds, that as Streaming gets more popular Infrastructure will be the Basic Need. Technology moves fast don't get caught behind the curve, everyone is in control of their own Needs and Priorities don't just rely on "The Experts."
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Okay...

When better internet is available, and if the price is reasonable, I'll upgrade.

I'm not sure what else you expect anyone here to do. And what the hell is with you randomly starting words mid-sentence with capital letters? Are you just trying to make yourself seem crazier than you already do?
Okay this is what I'm talking about, in DSL Reports there was a Posting where Cities and Towns are fed up with their ISP's, and running their own Fiber Networks. I don't expect anyone to do anything if they are satisfied with what they have, but if you're not, you control your own Destiny!
https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31830989-Open-Access

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I can't speak for him, of course, but I would imagine that the point was that when all else fails, physical media is there since you really don't need any outside service aside from electricity to run it (and let's face it, if the electricity goes out, then whether or not the internet or cable is working becomes a moot point).

Obviously having that particular title on a physical disc would have been even more optimal, but his situation as-is with having at least some physical media available is far from being the worst case scenario.
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It's not an argument for Physical or digital. What I'm saying is having both physical and digital in your collection is the best way to go. At least it is for me. Anyway, it's no big deal switching movies. The fact that I was able to do so was key. Hopefully, I'll get to finish "Career Opportunities" tonight.
You said it was a perfect argument to do both digital and physical, but I'm not seeing the appeal of spending money on a supplementary physical collection for when all else fails. I understand it was convenient because you only had to wander into another room to watch something but couldn't you could visit Redbox in the rare case this happens? That's cheaper than buying discs or a gigabyte of Xfinity mobile data.

If my internet went out and I wanted passive entertainment, but I wasn't able to watch TV over the air, I'd probably listen to music or read a book. So maybe I'm not the best judge!
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