Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[Geoff D]

Okay, so, this redo of The Lost World is a complete waste of time. Complete f*cking waste. There's a teeny tiny bit of adjusted colour, like chapter 4 when Malcom's daughter arrives, it's got a slightly pinkier hue on the old UHD but is greener on the new one, but in the main the colour, HDR, blacks would appear to be identical, save for a little bit of extra kick on the new one on some small highlights like the wide shot of Rexy's Midnight Runners approaching Eddie's jeep. That's not why I'm moaning tho, it's the DNR that's been added for no goddamned reason except for some clueless jobsworth to justify their paycheque. The whole thing hasn't been smeared over but that's what makes this so maddening.

The shot on the beach with the title credits is an optical, right, BUT IT LOOKS ABSOLUTELY FOOKIN FINE on the old disc. Grain looks sharp, maybe a little bit contrasty and the detail isn't quite up to 1st gen standards, but most people wouldn't bat an eyelid. It's a world away from the shitty opticals of yore but no, some gimboid has taken it upon themselves to smudge it over for the 'remaster'. Why? Because it said 'optical' on the paperwork, that such a shot couldn't possibly be aesthetically pleasing, so it got some treatment.

Okay, if that's as bad as it gets then I can live with that, but nope: random DNR keeps popping up on 1st gen shots that have no VFX, no opticals and look perfickly fine on the old disc. The shot of everyone on the beach running towards the screaming girl (which then smash cuts to Malcolm, who looks fine): DNR'ed. The first shot of the team's assembled cars and truck driving along with the mountains in the background: DNR'ed. The shot of Kelly cooking breakfast and the entire subsequent scene of the crew discussing what to do next? DNR'ed. All the wide shots of the InGen team flying their gear in (of which only the first shot is VFX, to duplicate several more helicopters): DNR'ed. Someone really had it in for shots of open sky when prepping this version.

It's mind boggling how, in a set where the first movie has actually had its slight filtering from the first UHD reversed, they've gone out of their way to DNR random shots of the second one. The one which, out of all three OG JP movies, always had the bestest 4K transfer in terms of grain & detail reproduction. Heck, I been saying for years that even on Blu it looked like the freshest transfer out of all three. But now? It's just another fiddled-with master for no other flippin' reason than to fiddle with it. Cretins. Avoid avoid AVOID.

[Ben_UK]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Universal claimed back in 2018 JP was scanned at 4K from the ON.

Something we have to take their word on I guess. It just doesnt smack of a OCN scan, even the recent DV re-issue, it looks better, but the grain structure isnt great at all.

On Jaws and a couple of other movies (Spartacus?) there is a really quite interesting restoration piece of how the film was restored. I'd love to see something similar on JP as I find it somewhat baffling what they have come up with.

[Daz_85]

Sounds like I did the right thing by cancelling my pre-order for both sets. Very disappointing! I’m not entirely convinced the 3D version was even taken from a new scan of the negative, but processed from the same source we have on 4K disc. Makes me wonder if the negatives for the original trilogy (or at least JP 1 and 3) were destroyed in that Universal studios fire, hence the recycling of those limited quality masters.

[spiltmilk]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Okay, so, this redo of The Lost World is a complete waste of time. Complete f*cking waste. There's a teeny tiny bit of adjusted colour, like chapter 4 when Malcom's daughter arrives, it's got a slightly pinkier hue on the old UHD but is greener on the new one, but in the main the colour, HDR, blacks would appear to be identical, save for a little bit of extra kick on the new one on some small highlights like the wide shot of Rexy's Midnight Runners approaching Eddie's jeep. That's not why I'm moaning tho, it's the DNR that's been added for no goddamned reason except for some clueless jobsworth to justify their paycheque. The whole thing hasn't been smeared over but that's what makes this so maddening.

The shot on the beach with the title credits is an optical, right, BUT IT LOOKS ABSOLUTELY FOOKIN FINE on the old disc. Grain looks sharp, maybe a little bit contrasty and the detail isn't quite up to 1st gen standards, but most people wouldn't bat an eyelid. It's a world away from the shitty opticals of yore but no, some gimboid has taken it upon themselves to smudge it over for the 'remaster'. Why? Because it said 'optical' on the paperwork, that such a shot couldn't possibly be aesthetically pleasing, so it got some treatment.

Okay, if that's as bad as it gets then I can live with that, but nope: random DNR keeps popping up on 1st gen shots that have no VFX, no opticals and look perfickly fine on the old disc. The shot of everyone on the beach running towards the screaming girl (which then smash cuts to Malcolm, who looks fine): DNR'ed. The first shot of the team's assembled cars and truck driving along with the mountains in the background: DNR'ed. The shot of Kelly cooking breakfast and the entire subsequent scene of the crew discussing what to do next? DNR'ed. All the wide shots of the InGen team flying their gear in (of which only the first shot is VFX, to duplicate several more helicopters): DNR'ed. Someone really had it in for shots of open sky when prepping this version.

It's mind boggling how, in a set where the first movie has actually had its slight filtering from the first UHD reversed, they've gone out of their way to DNR random shots of the second one. The one which, out of all three OG JP movies, always had the bestest 4K transfer in terms of grain & detail reproduction. Heck, I been saying for years that even on Blu it looked like the freshest transfer out of all three. But now? It's just another fiddled-with master for no other flippin' reason than to fiddle with it. Cretins. Avoid avoid AVOID.

It's getting tiresome having to mix and match different versions in order to get the optimal (or really just a decent) version of each film. Not sure whether I should get the old Lost World disc separately or if I can live with the DNR on that one (haven't watched the new version yet).

[jerclay]

Originally Posted by Daz_85

Sounds like I did the right thing by cancelling my pre-order for both sets. Very disappointing! I’m not entirely convinced the 3D version was even taken from a new scan of the negative, but processed from the same source we have on 4K disc. Makes me wonder if the negatives for the original trilogy (or at least JP 1 and 3) were destroyed in that Universal studios fire, hence the recycling of those limited quality masters.

Nope, I found the JP upgrade on the new set worth the money you waste on other two movies...

Not sure, if there's a difference between the US and the UK sets, but I got the latter in DV and boy, love that grain is back!

But sure, if they're releasing JP separately, this one goes to Ebay immediately.

[gnicks]

Maybe Universal is just fulfilling the DNR quota. If some came off of JP, it has to go somewhere else.

[omgitsgodzilla]

DNR? Boy, if only the franchise had had one 15 years ago!

[Piriven]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Okay, if that's as bad as it gets then I can live with that, but nope: random DNR keeps popping up on 1st gen shots that have no VFX, no opticals and look perfickly fine on the old disc. The shot of everyone on the beach running towards the screaming girl (which then smash cuts to Malcolm, who looks fine): DNR'ed. The first shot of the team's assembled cars and truck driving along with the mountains in the background: DNR'ed. The shot of Kelly cooking breakfast and the entire subsequent scene of the crew discussing what to do next? DNR'ed. All the wide shots of the InGen team flying their gear in (of which only the first shot is VFX, to duplicate several more helicopters): DNR'ed. Someone really had it in for shots of open sky when prepping this version.

I also thought the scene on the boat where Eddie is explaining to Malcolm how quickly the tranquiliser dart works looked very DNR’d on the new disc.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

Something we have to take their word on I guess. It just doesnt smack of a OCN scan, even the recent DV re-issue, it looks better, but the grain structure isnt great at all.

On Jaws and a couple of other movies (Spartacus?) there is a really quite interesting restoration piece of how the film was restored. I'd love to see something similar on JP as I find it somewhat baffling what they have come up with.

It never carried OCN vibes to me either. In fact, the UHD felt like it came from the same source as the BD (which I'm guessing was an IP).

[JR Ewing]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Okay, so, this redo of The Lost World is a complete waste of time. Complete f*cking waste. There's a teeny tiny bit of adjusted colour, like chapter 4 when Malcom's daughter arrives, it's got a slightly pinkier hue on the old UHD but is greener on the new one, but in the main the colour, HDR, blacks would appear to be identical, save for a little bit of extra kick on the new one on some small highlights like the wide shot of Rexy's Midnight Runners approaching Eddie's jeep. That's not why I'm moaning tho, it's the DNR that's been added for no goddamned reason except for some clueless jobsworth to justify their paycheque. The whole thing hasn't been smeared over but that's what makes this so maddening.

The shot on the beach with the title credits is an optical, right, BUT IT LOOKS ABSOLUTELY FOOKIN FINE on the old disc. Grain looks sharp, maybe a little bit contrasty and the detail isn't quite up to 1st gen standards, but most people wouldn't bat an eyelid. It's a world away from the shitty opticals of yore but no, some gimboid has taken it upon themselves to smudge it over for the 'remaster'. Why? Because it said 'optical' on the paperwork, that such a shot couldn't possibly be aesthetically pleasing, so it got some treatment.

Okay, if that's as bad as it gets then I can live with that, but nope: random DNR keeps popping up on 1st gen shots that have no VFX, no opticals and look perfickly fine on the old disc. The shot of everyone on the beach running towards the screaming girl (which then smash cuts to Malcolm, who looks fine): DNR'ed. The first shot of the team's assembled cars and truck driving along with the mountains in the background: DNR'ed. The shot of Kelly cooking breakfast and the entire subsequent scene of the crew discussing what to do next? DNR'ed. All the wide shots of the InGen team flying their gear in (of which only the first shot is VFX, to duplicate several more helicopters): DNR'ed. Someone really had it in for shots of open sky when prepping this version.

It's mind boggling how, in a set where the first movie has actually had its slight filtering from the first UHD reversed, they've gone out of their way to DNR random shots of the second one. The one which, out of all three OG JP movies, always had the bestest 4K transfer in terms of grain & detail reproduction. Heck, I been saying for years that even on Blu it looked like the freshest transfer out of all three. But now? It's just another fiddled-with master for no other flippin' reason than to fiddle with it. Cretins. Avoid avoid AVOID.

That's a bummer to hear. I only initially had the first JP on 4K so I said to hell with it I will splash out and get this new trilogy steelie for the upgrade to JP one and will also have the other 2 for the first time. Reading your review on TLW, am I better off tracking down the original 4k release to swap out this new so called upgrade of TLW?

[mjvmovieman]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Okay, so, this redo of The Lost World is a complete waste of time.

Have you viewed Jurassic Park yet?

[lilboyblu]

Originally Posted by mjvmovieman

Have you Has Geoff D viewed Jurassic Park yet?

Yes.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=7254

[Geoff D]

On to JPIII. First of all, I've always liked this movie. It's not a patch on the others but it's a terrifically fun side-quest with none of the lore-building bollox of the trilogy that followed, just a lean 90-ish minutes of solid dino fun with some terrific set pieces. And I'm watching this new Dobly UHD thinking 'is it me or does this kinda look not shit?'. I didn't think the old UHD was 'shit' as such but even so I wasn't bowled over by it, the movie's got a lot of opticals for the dissolves and fades where the quality nose-dives - this being made in 2001 put it right on the cusp of the DI era, but not close enough - and the copious amount of CG shots kill the dynamic range because they weren't finished out to a full logarithmic film-type range so there's nothing in the highlights and it's brutally exposed by the HDR pass, but even away from all that it never quite had the 'snap' that I'd expect from a new 4K scan of the picture negative (as claimed by Universal at the time).

But this new UHD, ohhhhh yeah. Just like JP's new UHD they've rolled back a slight amount of filtering that was applied to the previous version and it's enough to restore a lovely little tickle of high frequency information, making 1st gen shots look genuinely crisper and sharper. These are only tiny differences, literally, and with the screen sizes and viewing distances that most people watch with/from then they won't notice any improvement at all, but it's there alright and to my eyeses it makes the image more dimensional and fractionally less smudgy than the old disc. They don't seem to have randomly DNR'ed several moments like Lost World's new disc either, which makes what they did to that one all the more bizarre, just truly bizarre. What the hell kind of thinking goes "Hey, let's unf*ck the global filtering on the first and third films but apply a bunch of noise reduction to the second one"? Answers on a postcard to Universal Pictures, CA. Ask for Babs.

The issues I had before with the extensive black clipping are still there on this new one as the colour grade is all but identical between old and new, save for a small variance in colour temp in one or two shots, but the clipping is never quite as horrible as it is on Lost World's 4K transfer so I can live with it.

The compression on the full recombined DV output is faultless (not that the old UHD66 disc was poor because it wasn't, as a 92-minute movie shouldn't be struggling on a double decker, never mind this new triple-layer 100GB platter) but yes, if you're watching in HDR10 then there's a bad moment of blocking during the Spino attack in the water just after the 1h16m mark. It's brief but it's so bad that it should never have passed QC. The FEL from the DV encode does however seamlessly repair it as said, so again I can live with that especially as the rest of it copes so well with all the smoke and rain in the latter stages of the film.

So, out of this new DV Jurassic Park trilology steenbok there's two small but appreciable upgrades for movies one and three, and one almighty DNR'ed piss-take for the piggy in the middle.

[Brayden96]

Anyone seen the extras for Jurassic World? Curious if they included the retailer exclusives

[Jedihunter]

Honestly im wondering with how two fo the three films in this set look like they rolled back the DNR whereas TLW looks like it was hit with DNR. I certainly complained as much when the screenshots finally hit that qere pulled from the discs. And honestly upon comparing both discs, yes to most it would appear to be DNR'd in comparison. But honestly I think they rolled back the sharpening perhaps. As the grain is a bit thicker than in the new disc, and upon looking into Kaminski talking about shooting the film, an I think the not as coarse grain in many shots may be more natural. Thats not to say some opticals aren't hit with DNR, like the opening. But I think thats just baked into the master maybe? Because honestly TLW does look pretty nice on the new disc and still has plenty of apparent grain. While I would be interested to know what others are referring to when they are saying how some scenes appear to have been hit more than others as no one is giving any scene examples or timecodes at least that I saw. Again while it would surprise me if they actually did apply more DNR to TLW, it would be just such an odd choice to roll-back the filtering on two of the films and filter the grain out more on one film. Not to say that I dont think a studio would do something so bone-headed, I just think from judging the two and after seeing it screened theatrically from a DCP last year that maybe the first disc had sharpening applied to it?

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by Brayden96

Anyone seen the extras for Jurassic World? Curious if they included the retailer exclusives

Which ones were those?

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Thats not to say some opticals aren't hit with DNR, like the opening. But I think thats just baked into the master maybe?

How something that wasn't present on the previous UHD, based on the same master, can at the same time be baked into it?

[batmaster]

I'm not sure about this, but: Jurassic Park, Phantom Menace and Terminator 2 have all mediocre/bad 4K releases. All these movies have been converted to 3D. I believe for 3D you need a lot of DNR for the 3D to work good. I think this has to a lot to do with why the image looks like this and the companies didn't care anymore after this.

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

How something that wasn't present on the previous UHD, based on the same master, can at the same time be baked into it?

Because the grain wasn't completely obliterated on the opening title shot.......sharpening the image could make it appear more coarse and present in a shot. Youre acting like im speaking in absolutes when I'm mentioning that maybe something is a possibility. As ive seen both discs front to back.

[Brayden96]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Which ones were those?

"Classic Jurassic" featurette (7:25)
"Building the Gyrosphere" featurette (4:27)
"Your Host for Jurassic World...Jimmy Fallon!" featurette (2:40)
"Jurassic Props" featurette (9:51)
"The Experts" featurette (5:36)