King Kong 4K UHD (2005) (Ultimate Edition)

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That made me lol. Or 'HDRcalypse', if you will.


Good tone mapping is most of the battle. You get a TV that does it well and the actual dynamic formats will be the cherry on top rather than the be-all and end-all of the presentation.

LG is also doing some really awesome dynamic HDR tone-mapping with their 2019 panels, in conjunction with AutoCAL.

Originally Posted by mar3o

As I just discovered last week Dolby Vision looks horrid on my LG 2016 TV thanks to the firmware which has a major issue with brightness jumps. Thankfully HDR10 looks pretty fantastic on it considering the limitations of the LCD panel and edge lighting/zones.

So, I enjoy Dolby Vision more than HDR10 for the simple fact that it at least attempts to faithfully present the artistic intent as best it can for that panel. However, there's noticeable issues with DV over HDMI compared to Dolby Vision streaming, on my 2016 LG OLED panel as well. So for about the last four or five months, I've been forcing HDR10 over HDMI through my OPPO player, and I have no desire to change that unless LG updates the DV profile on my panel, which I do not see happening.

HDR10 will sometimes clip highlight detail that I know will otherwise be there in DV, as well as having slightly softer color--to put it in Vincent's terms, HDR10 is like a 2.2 gamma whereas DV is BT.1886, an applicable HDR analogy, IMO--but at the end of the day, the processing over HDMI comes through noticeably sharper and consistent with HDR10. I do believe this has to do with the fact that LG is still running an outdated profile on its 2016 panels.

[Geoff D]

I'm also finding out that DV is a bit of a lame duck on my ZD9. It dims the image a hell of a lot, maybe not an instantly obvious problem when the TV is a light cannon to begin with and most modern movies are mastered to look nice and bright, but it was blatant on Superman The Movie when I started comparing it back and forth, and taking light readings of various other movies has borne this out.

While I can up the contrast to bring back some of the lacking luminance it then starts to badly clip highlights - which I thought was the whole ****ing point of Dolby Vision, to better balance the image from shot to shot? Nope, not on my TV anyways, as DV is still beholden to the problem which has bugged HDR from minute one: how best to handle brightness vs range. I can has one or the other but not both, not even with DV.

There are some movies which are essentially 'broken' to me in HDR10 so I will have to bite that DV bullet when watching them in future - the megacrushed blacks of Annihilation's HDR10 layer, the godawful compression of The Fog's HDR10 output, ditto for Shaving Private Ryan - but from here on out I'll be defaulting to the HDR10 version for new content.

#mikewasright

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm also finding out that DV is a bit of a lame duck on my ZD9. It dims the image a hell of a lot, maybe not an instantly obvious problem when the TV is a light cannon to begin with and most modern movies are mastered to look nice and bright, but it was blatant on Superman The Movie when I started comparing it back and forth, and taking light readings of various other movies has borne this out.

While I can up the contrast to bring back some of the lacking luminance it then starts to badly clip highlights - which I thought was the whole ****ing point of Dolby Vision, to better balance the image from shot to shot? Nope, not on my TV anyways, as DV is still beholden to the problem which has bugged HDR from minute one: how best to handle brightness vs range. I can has one or the other but not both, not even with DV.

There are some movies which are essentially 'broken' to me in HDR10 so I will have to bite that DV bullet when watching them in future - the megacrushed blacks of Annihilation's HDR10 layer, the godawful compression of The Fog's HDR10 output, ditto for Shaving Private Ryan - but from here on out I'll be defaulting to the HDR10 version for new content.

#mikewasright

DV always looks brighter on my C8 against HDR10. The two discs where I couldn't discern any differences are Venom and JW Fallen Kingdom. I think its Sony's poor implementation of DV.

[Schwartzy]

Originally Posted by openviews

4K steelbook up for pre-order at Zoom.

https://www.zoom.co.uk/product/king_...hd_blu_ray_uhd

Also from zavvi. Thats very beautiful!

[birdztudio]

i think the previous steelbook release was way better with title on the front, better inside art and nice full gloss finish... i already got the disc when it's down $9.99 and put it in this steelbook...

[Show spoiler]KK_Steelbook.jpg

[Viking61]

Best Buy exclusive 4K UHD steelbook listed with release date May 14 2019.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/king-ko...?skuId=6333753

It will probably have same cover as the Zavvi steelbook.

[dyne]

That back side

[punisher]

Originally Posted by dyne

That back side

thanks for noticing....

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm also finding out that DV is a bit of a lame duck on my ZD9. It dims the image a hell of a lot, maybe not an instantly obvious problem when the TV is a light cannon to begin with and most modern movies are mastered to look nice and bright, but it was blatant on Superman The Movie when I started comparing it back and forth, and taking light readings of various other movies has borne this out.

While I can up the contrast to bring back some of the lacking luminance it then starts to badly clip highlights - which I thought was the whole ****ing point of Dolby Vision, to better balance the image from shot to shot? Nope, not on my TV anyways, as DV is still beholden to the problem which has bugged HDR from minute one: how best to handle brightness vs range. I can has one or the other but not both, not even with DV.

There are some movies which are essentially 'broken' to me in HDR10 so I will have to bite that DV bullet when watching them in future - the megacrushed blacks of Annihilation's HDR10 layer, the godawful compression of The Fog's HDR10 output, ditto for Shaving Private Ryan - but from here on out I'll be defaulting to the HDR10 version for new content.

#mikewasright

Super weird DV clips on yours. DV is definitely dimmer on my B7 than HDR10 which is clearly more vivid. My 2 previous LED’s were the same. I actually didn’t care for DV on them. It almost seems like DV is a combination of, or a happy medium of SDR and HDR looking more natural on my set vs HDR10 which is far more vivid. If HDR10 and SDR had a baby it would be DV. HDR10 is far more consistent on my B7 with Dynamic Contrast on low. I only see slight brightness fluctuations on Sony discs and on the Meg. I’m always fearful when popping in a new DV disc hoping the black levels won’t be ****ed.

[Geoff D]

It's almost like this player-led Sony version turns off the dynamic metadata part, it's been said several times that Dolby overrides the TV's internal processing but on my TV I can change pretty much every single setting that I could otherwise alter in HDR10 apart from the viewing mode (locked to DV) and the HDR setting (locked to DV). Hmmm.

Add in the patented Dolby greyblack (which has happened on every single DV I've watched on this TV) and it needs too much guesswork to settle on what it should actually look like. But as I keep seeing better compression on the Dolby Vision playback it's starting to niggle at me, and when I get a niggle in my noggin it's hard to shake. As much as I love my ZD9 I'm wondering if its time has come.

[ROSS.T.G.]

I’m the same, I get fixated and that’s all I see. It’s bizarre that every DV has raised blacks. I wonder if other Sony are affected like the Z9. That said pretty much every DV disc I saw on my LED’s had raised blacks. The 2017 Vizio P which in SDR had the best blacks I’ve seen and tested on a non OLED looked worse in DV than the M series which had a consistent greysish blacks. It’s why I sent both back.

[okko]

Forgive me for the perhaps stupid question, but what is the difference between the May release and the 4K version already available? Different cuts?


Kev

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by okko

Forgive me for the perhaps stupid question, but what is the difference between the May release and the 4K version already available?

The packaging. There's no difference between the discs.

[HeightOfFolly]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's almost like this player-led Sony version turns off the dynamic metadata part, it's been said several times that Dolby overrides the TV's internal processing but on my TV I can change pretty much every single setting that I could otherwise alter in HDR10 apart from the viewing mode (locked to DV) and the HDR setting (locked to DV). Hmmm.

Add in the patented Dolby greyblack (which has happened on every single DV I've watched on this TV) and it needs too much guesswork to settle on what it should actually look like. But as I keep seeing better compression on the Dolby Vision playback it's starting to niggle at me, and when I get a niggle in my noggin it's hard to shake. As much as I love my ZD9 I'm wondering if its time has come.

I have a Sony X800D from 2016. I always assumed its weak blacks on some HDR material were because it wasn't expensive but hearing about your problems with Dolby Vision on your ZD9 makes me think that some of these movies may just have bad masters.

[Geoff D]

Some movies are just mastered with milky blacks as it's the modern trend, but there are separate things at work here: Dolby actually acknowledged that there's a problem with lifted black levels when using certain metadata mastering controls in DV (and Sony aren't in the least bit interested in fixing this phenom), and with the greatest of respect your TV isn't stellar when it comes to backlighting, black levels etc so it won't be the best judge of such things anyway.

[HeightOfFolly]

No offense taken. I know this TV's black levels are nothing to write home about but your earlier comment made me realize that there are issues with some of these new HDR masters that even models with good specs can't mitigate.

[Geoff D]

That much is true, yes, but it really *is* the modern way of it. When I watched First Man I thought something was wrong with my TV because the blacks were so dense and dark, having gotten so used to the modern greyblack trend.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Panels with subpar contrast ratio can survive SDR but can really be problematic with HDR unfortunately. My last LED was considered to be one of the better performers with black levels but when I engaged HDR blacks were much lighter. Blu-rays looked gorgeous with excellent contrast but UHD HDR was a different story.

[laidbacklarkin]

All these reasons are precisely why I have been keeping off the 4K upgrade path - the format with its HDR component is still a long ways away from being mature. Studios are desperate to make a buck off content while hardware and software makers are ever tweaking their stuff to manage a wide range of content. Not to mention that the upgrade path includes total disruption in that just about every HT component needs to be upgraded (TV, Receiver, media players, Bluray player, HDMI cables, Atmos speaker add ons) Nah, will for the moment live vicariously off you guys enjoying your content.

[HeightOfFolly]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Panels with subpar contrast ratio can survive SDR but can really be problematic with HDR unfortunately. My last LED was considered to be one of the better performers with black levels but when I engaged HDR blacks were much lighter. Blu-rays looked gorgeous with excellent contrast but UHD HDR was a different story.

I know what you mean. When 4K Blu-rays look good on my TV they look really good but then the next movie I watch will have bad blacks and I start messing with the settings again.