The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey (2012) 2D/3D - March 19, 2013 Reviews

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

That's definitely different than what you posted earlier, so I guess something got screwed up with the color. The earlier one had a distinctively teal colored sky.

In any case, I don't see green in the title like some of you do. It looks white. Maybe not 100% perfect "pure" white - but I'd argue that if you look with such scrutiny at every other modern film, you'd be unlikely to find "pure" whites on those either.

I'm generally very picky when it comes to PQ, but I feel like we're approaching AVS level insanity here.

It looks very green to me but my monitor is professionally calibrated so colours tend to stick out a lot more. I think we have a long way to go to get to AVS levels. I admit that the FOTR EE thread got close but unlike that case, there's nothing to argue about here, if it was intentional, which i believe it was, there's nothing left to say. Its the filmmakers perogative to colour grade a film however they want, so long as they don't after a number of years retroactively change the colour grading of such a beloved film as drastically as they did with FOTR. The green tint just looks bad in FOTR, full stop. The film looked perfect as it was in previous releases colourwise IMHO and LOTR is a totally seperate trilogy to the Hobbit. Now FOTR EE might fit in with this film but it looks totally different to TTT and ROTK, the other two films in its own repective trilogy. It just makes no sense IMHO.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

My next question is will TT and ROTK get the same green tint treatment in their next release on blu? Glad we have the non green tint versions as options (wish we had this for FOTG) which are what I will choose to watch, but as this looks to be intentional, you would think a greening of TT and ROTK is up next.

They created an entirely new digital intermediate for Fellowship of the Ring (because it never had one before). TTT & RotK were already originally created entirely on DIs - so there was no reason to touch them (and it's unlikely they ever will).

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I don't see why you'd think that when the green tinted FOTR was released as a trilogy with TT and ROTK lacking it. If it was an intentional decision to make that one green, and not the others, why would they change that now?

Assuming the other two parts of The Hobbit get the green tint as well, seems odd to me to tint 4 of these movies, but leave the last two the way they are. It would not be surprising to see a re-graded TT and ROTK down the line assuming this whole green tint is intentional which it certainly looks to be at this point. There is a noticeable difference going from FOTG to TT when you watch them one right after the other which you can see in the sky, snow, etc........I would think they would want to keep the green consistent, but maybe not......who knows.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Any idea when the 3d version is going to be reviewed? Thanks!

The second the 3D version shows up on my doorstep! Well, three hours and a paragraph or two after it shows up

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Assuming the other two parts of The Hobbit get the green tint as well, seems odd to me to tint 4 of these movies, but leave the last two the way they are. It would not be surprising to see a re-graded TT and ROTK down the line assuming this whole green tint is intentional which it certainly looks to be at this point. There is a noticeable difference going from FOTG to TT when you watch them one right after the other which you can see in the sky, snow, etc........I would think they would want to keep the green consistent, but maybe not......who knows.

Just look at the Harry Potter series though, each movie basically has a different tint to it, yet they all go together, I can tell TT and RotK have slightly different tints from each other, again intentionally done, to me tint coincides with the tone of the film, at least that's what I have noticed

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by frogmort

kingkong650's screenshot looks exactly the same as the one on this site to me only slightly smaller. I had them both in seperate tabs and switched back and forth several times.

It depends if you have color management on or off.

The one done by Ken has no profile, made on a Windows PC, which means you get the raw RGB values of the disc and they are shown in your monitor as is. If it has color management, unless you've done something to it it'll assume sRGB (which is practically the same thing as HDTV).

If it doesn't have color management, normally as many monitors have the sRGB primary colors, gamma, and white point (2.2/D65) and the RGB values shown straight will look correct or close to it, just like the BD on a HDTV shown straight should.

kingkongs's pic has a "DELL U3011 Color Profile, D65" embedded* in it and maybe it could be a factory default one or "calibrated" one ("calibrated" also can mean the profile could also be created by tweaking some software by eye instead of doing it with hardware calibrator which can give even more off-color results), so if the browser/image editor/computer set-up has color management, it's showing it as how it looks on the particular Dell monitor, on a sRGB monitor because it's changing the RGB values. On those set ups, the images will look different.

(I have color management)

On my monitor the "Ken" cap looks fairly neutral with a very tiny slight green tint where you can see the ring has a different off white that the white in the clouds. As it doesn't have a profile I'm seeing it at the correct sRGB/HDTV values/intention, as the monitor has sRG primaries, 2.2 gamma, D65 etc etc and the BD RGB values are being sent straight to it.

On my monitor the "Kong" cap has a much more cyanish tint where everything looks more tinted towards that hue.

That is, till I strip off the Dell color profile (a color profile is just an instruction telling the monitor how to display the image). Once stripped of the "profile", and it's sending the pic's actual RGBs straight to the monitor, it looks practically the same as the "Ken"


If you have a non-sRGB computer monitor (for example a WideGamut monitor), you need to add the sRGB color profile to both images and turn color management on to make them look like they look on an HDTV. In that case you'll see too that they're the same.

*(Maybe the DellU310 is a widegamut mon (haven't checked), and the profile added to the KingKong image its's just doing it's job of boosting the image's colors (making it greener as a consequence) because that's how the pic looked on that monitor: boosted color, which is how sRGB/HDTV/standard SMPTE-PAL TV gamut images look on wide gamut/true-NTSC monitors.)




But as you might figured out, hobbits gave rise to leprechauns

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Assuming the other two parts of The Hobbit get the green tint as well, seems odd to me to tint 4 of these movies, but leave the last two the way they are. It would not be surprising to see a re-graded TT and ROTK down the line assuming this whole green tint is intentional which it certainly looks to be at this point. There is a noticeable difference going from FOTG to TT when you watch them one right after the other which you can see in the sky, snow, etc........I would think they would want to keep the green consistent, but maybe not......who knows.

There is a key difference. The BD for The Hobbit looks to have the same color as the theatrical release for the movie (slight green tint and all), that's not the case for the EE of FOTR. The latter was deliberately altered for its BD release.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

They created an entirely new digital intermediate for Fellowship of the Ring (because it never had one before). TTT & RotK were already originally created entirely on DIs - so there was no reason to touch them (and it's unlikely they ever will).

Thanks for the info. Been a while since I kept up on all the LOTR green tint chat.

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

There is a key difference. The BD for The Hobbit looks to have the same color as the theatrical release for the movie (slight green tint and all), that's not the case for the EE of FOTR. The latter was deliberately altered for its BD release.

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

Just look at the Harry Potter series though, each movie basically has a different tint to it, yet they all go together, I can tell TT and RotK have slightly different tints from each other, again intentionally done, to me tint coincides with the tone of the film, at least that's what I have noticed

Good points and thanks. I still dream of a day where FOTG becomes FOTR again, but it looks like that dream is all I will get. Not the end of the world as the EE still looks excellent overall, but I do miss the non green version from the DVD. Nice to be able to fully put it to rest though since all signs point to intentional at this point, especially with what we know about The Hobbit.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

It depends if you have color management on or off.

The one done by Ken has no profile, made on a Windows PC, which means you get the raw RGB values of the disc and they are shown in your monitor as is. If it has color management, unless you've done something to it it'll assume sRGB (which is practically the same thing as HDTV).

If it doesn't have color management, normally as many monitors have the sRGB primary colors, gamma, and white point (2.2/D65) and the RGB values shown straight will look correct or close to it, just like the BD on a HDTV shown straight should.

kingkongs's pic has a "DELL U3011 Color Profile, D65" embedded* in it and maybe it could be a factory default one or "calibrated" one ("calibrated" also can mean the profile could also be created by tweaking some software by eye instead of doing it with hardware calibrator which can give even more off-color results), so if the browser/image editor/computer set-up has color management, it's showing it as how it looks on the particular Dell monitor, on a sRGB monitor because it's changing the RGB values. On those set ups, the images will look different.

(I have color management)

On my monitor the "Ken" cap looks fairly neutral with a very tiny slight green tint where you can see the ring has a different off white that the white in the clouds. As it doesn't have a profile I'm seeing it at the correct sRGB/HDTV values/intention, as the monitor has sRG primaries, 2.2 gamma, D65 etc etc and the BD RGB values are being sent straight to it.

On my monitor the "Kong" cap has a much more cyanish tint where everything looks more tinted towards that hue.

That is, till I strip off the Dell color profile (a color profile is just an instruction telling the monitor how t to display the image). Once stripped of the "profile", and it's sending the pic's actual RGBs straight to the monitor, it looks practically the same as the "Ken"


If you have a non-sRGB computer monitor (for example a WideGamut monitor), you need to add the sRGB color profile to both images and turn color management on to make them look like they look on an HDTV. In that case you'll see too that they're the same.

*(Maybe the DellU310 is a widegamut mon (haven't checked), and the profile added to the KingKong image its's just doing it's job of boosting the image's colors (making it greener as a consequence) because that's how the pic looked on that monitor: boosted color, which is how sRGB/HDTV/standard SMPTE-PAL TV gamut images look on wide gamut/true-NTSC monitors.)




But as you might figured out, hobbits gave rise to leprechauns

And that, dear friends, is why Deci is the Site Manager

[diman1982]

No doubt now, creators intended these 2 movies to look this way.
But as to me, nature shots of Shire, mountains, fields graded that way just look UGLY:

[Bukax42]

What's the point of your comparisons? Because I don't get it.

[Deciazulado]

Oh btw here's the "Kong" stripped off it's profile (no profile) vs with the profile on:

[Show spoiler]thehobbittitlewithgreen-1.jpg

off

[Show spoiler]

on

if they look different you have color management, if they don't, you don't

[Blu-Benny]

I don’t mean to interrupt this fantastic discussion about color and what not ( ) but is there any exclusive anywhere as far as extras go?? Or do all of the releases have the same extras??

[Deciazulado]

some have extra green















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[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by diman1982

No doubt now, creators intended these 2 movies to look this way.
But as to me, nature shots of Shire, mountains, fields graded that way just look UGLY:

[Show spoiler]

BINGO! Intentional or not, its ugly!

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

I don’t mean to interrupt this fantastic discussion about color and what not ( ) but is there any exclusive anywhere as far as extras go?? Or do all of the releases have the same extras??

The walmart exclusive has four exclusive features: The Journey Back to Middle-Earth (17 min), Bilbo and the Riddle Game (4 min), Gandalf and the White Council (4 min) and Thorin and the "Song of the Lonely Mountain" (5 Min) only on Vudu and available now with preorder at walmart in store only.

Best Buy is an exclusive documentary of A Hobbit’s Tale Part 1: The Journey Begins and Flip Lenticular.

Target bonus content includes 10 production videos, as well as exclusive bonus behind-the-scenes featurette LEGO THE HOBBIT: An Unexpected Journey

[Starpower67]

Originally Posted by unsung122212

The walmart exclusive has four exclusive features: The Journey Back to Middle-Earth (17 min), Bilbo and the Riddle Game (4 min), Gandalf and the White Council (4 min) and Thorin and the "Song of the Lonely Mountain" (5 Min) only on Vudu and available now with preorder at walmart in store only.

I don't know about the exclusive content that BBY has but it does have exclusive content, but best buy canada's exclusive has a 30 min documentary of the Hobbit movie. Target seems like it is just the lego figure of Bilbo and not extra content.

So all of the exclusive bonus content is only available online though? If that's the case I am not interested

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by Starpower67

So all of the exclusive bonus content is only available online though? If that's the case I am not interested

It will be on the disc as well, but you can get access to them now with Vudu with walmart, most likely CinemaNow for BBY you can but don't know for sure since I didn't preorder it from there.

Also, I updated my post that you quoted.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by Starpower67

So all of the exclusive bonus content is only available online though? If that's the case I am not interested

was just about to post the same thing......b/c i'd assume anything on VUDU right now will be included on the EE's.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by unsung122212

It will be on the disc as well, but you can get access to them now with Vudu with walmart, most likely CinemaNow for BBY you can but don't know for sure since I didn't preorder it from there.

Also, I updated my post that you quoted.

When you say the exclusive….do you mean the digibook??

i have no interest in the digibook so maybe i'll buy that and a regular release and sell of the digibook.

Glad I have the day off so I can go in early and make a decision.