Master and Commander 4K UHD (2003)

[JustinZed]

Originally Posted by Macatouille

What software are you using to chart the frequency response of the disc?

The software is BEQDesigner

[biggquis]

Originally Posted by RobertR

I think that's rather an... interesting question to ask on a forum where people engage in an ENORMOUS amount of discussion about the quality of UHDs, including their merits and flaws. People know the potential of UHD, and are disappointed by a release that noticeably fails to meet that potential. Really, are you not aware of such discussions? Do you really think ALL releases are enjoyable regardless of avoidable flaws? Do you never buy something and think "this could have/should have been better"?





So enjoy it. I prefer non neutered bass.





"darn"? I'd use the word GREAT. F'in AWESOME. I muxed that one, too.

I'm just curious if you've actually given it a spin. You might be surprised. I think I'm a little more lax when it comes to UHDs. I think T2, Aliens, and True Lies are fine. Flawed, but fine. I won't be bothered to return my The Cell UHD to Arrow for an updated disc to fix one scene. Nothing wrong with seeking out the best possible versions of things, though, or even muxing and creating your own. It just isn't worth the reward for me personally.

[Vriess]

Originally Posted by moe83

Disney movies in general are priced crazy. Thunderbolts just came out and it’s priced at $55 on amazon.ca while in my local Walmart they’re $34.99, still way more than enough.

I just find one of my favourite hobbies of collecting movies on disc is getting harder and harder on multiple fronts. Between the prices and the scarcity of certain titles it’s frustrating at times. Who agrees?

They are going with the strategy of higher prices but lower volume, steelbooks etc to get every last dollar out of collectors. With these formats becoming more and more niche I think it's inevitable

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by biggquis

I think T2, Aliens, and True Lies are fine.

That says a lot.

[RocShemp]

Originally Posted by Bluecow

I totally agree it would be better if the studios would just include the full bass output in the movie, but we have ways to fix it on our own and we don't need remux audio from 20-year old DVD's to do it.

The MiniDSP 2x4 HD or the MiniDSP Flex will work for most people, but if you have more than 4 independent subwoofers, then you might need one of their other products. The 2x4 is older, cheaper, and only has RCA. The Flex is newer, much more expensive, but can be configured with balanced connections.

https://www.minidsp.com/products/min...minidsp-2x4-hd
https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/flex

This AVS Forum thread describes how to do everything.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/bas...ovies.2995212/

Thanks for the response, and the links.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Cancelled my pre-order. Shame they f'ed up the LFE.

I hate to think what Tron Legacy is going to sound like

[RocShemp]

Originally Posted by Okiephile

Definitely a conspiracy.

As I recall, the reason Disney got into VHS was because they realized how perishable the format was, which aided in their "back from the Disney vault" marketing scheme. So it's less a conspiracy regarding their current tactics and more SOP for Disney.

[sidetracked1]

Originally Posted by Vriess

They are going with the strategy of higher prices but lower volume, steelbooks etc to get every last dollar out of collectors. With these formats becoming more and more niche I think it's inevitable

I agree they seem to want to use scarcity as a selling point, but this goes into 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' territory.

When you make so few copies that they sell out almost instantly, and then people mark them up and sell them on eBay for more, while others are just left frustrated it means you're missing out on a chunk of income.

You'd have to mark up these way higher as limited edition to make up for the loss in volume (At least I'd think. Then again, I never ran a retail business).

[plissken99]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

If this isn't a major upgrade in video quality for you, you should really consider skipping the whole UHD BD format...

It's actually a 20-year upgrade in film transfer technology

Scratch all that, thought this was the Ace Ventura thread. Just recently took up rum.

[armus]

Originally Posted by PurpsMcNuggets

Ordered this from Deep Discount for only $34. First time ordering with them, has not shipped yet. Anyone else order from them?

You may have bought from them before without realizing it. Deep Discount is just one of many storefronts run by Alliance Entertainment, and if you've ever ordered from Target or Walmart then chances are it was also fulfilled by them (Target used to fulfill some orders from store inventory, but AFAIK that's a thing of the past).

[TheeCD]

Originally Posted by plissken99

I guess maybe your right though, I should sell my 500+ 4K discs and sixteen thousand dollar projector.

[New-Blu-Blood]

Originally Posted by Wackotaco

I ordered from DD and my shipment is arriving today (Wed. 8/6). Ordered it July 17 at 12:04pm according to my email. After getting screwed by Amazon on Sinners and a few others I will take the win on this one.

Hope you get yours soon

Nice! Glad to hear that you got yours! I also ordered mine on July 17th but around 3pm EST and on DD's website it still says "Fulfillment In Process"...hopefully it ships soon and they don't suddenly cancel my order and tell me they're OOS

[RocShemp]

Originally Posted by johnnyknoxsvill

I hate to think what Tron Legacy is going to sound like

Not gonna lie, I have been worrying about the 4K UHD BD release of Tron: Legacy Remastered. Last I heard, Joseph Kosinski was to oversee improved visuals, paying particular attention to all the young Flynn and CLU scenes. However, no mention was made of the audio. I hope Kosinski takes a page from how Christoph Gans insisted the LFE of Le pacte des loups remained untouched in its Atmos remix.

[biggquis]

Originally Posted by RobertR

That says a lot.

So instead of simply answering a question, you do this? Are you always like that, or just on the forum?

[Rustam15]

Checking the DD site for the shipment confirmation like 14 times a day now.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by biggquis

you do this?

I asked a question, and you told me what I wanted to know. I enjoy what satisfies me.

[RocShemp]

Originally Posted by kevin87

The sound to me was fine, the only problem I had was normal dialogue sounded like a whisper and then you have to turn it down with the action stuff.

Originally Posted by RobertR

What you're describing is very wide dynamic range. For me and many other people, such dynamic range is very desirable. Compressed dynamics are awful.


Feel free to engage "night mode" or something similar if it bothers you, while others enjoy dynamics.

Originally Posted by kevin87

Yeah, I don't change my settings from disc to disc. Frankly, if somebody is speaking normal but comes off as a whisper and all music and sound effects are deafening, then they did it wrong, they're favoring the wrong aspect. I don't care what anybody says lol

Originally Posted by RobertR

night mode or something similar was made for people like you. Your demand that dynamics be destroyed just to satisfy you is awful. Please don't tell me you're one of those people who hates that 'scope movies are made because they don't fill your screen.

Originally Posted by kevin87

Don't have night mode, my soundbar has a dialogue mode and it STILL sounds like a barely audible whisper when anybody speaks but yet there's deafening music, storms, yelling, and cannon fire. It's not awful for people to want to hear what is actually being said as part of the story since that's the point of the movie. If a sound engineer cranks up the action sounds but does nothing to let the dialogue be heard, they're doing it wrong. But thanks for being condescending about it.

I personally use Audyssey Dynamic EQ/Volume set to Light on my Denon AVR. It's not the purist way to do things but I find it useful with many movies/shows/games. But here's the funny thing. I prefer to get tracks with as wide a dynamic range as possible since they yield the best results with Audyssey DEQ/V engaged. My audio feels wide and punchy enough without feeling irritating or muted. Nerfed tracks don't play too well with it, as they sound flat (I'm looking at you, Avengers: Age Of Ultron) and extremely compressed tracks are far too "shouty" (most commercials).

However, the topic is far more nuanced than just more/less dynamic range or whether or not a theatrical mix was used. Except for Christopher Nolan movies, most home releases use a near field mix (even our beloved DVD/BD releases with full bass) instead of the original theatrical mix. Heck, Furiosa, a reference disc, uses a near field mix.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jXyDt52mHX0

Crappy dialogue levels in movies/TV are actually a whole other can of worms:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2M-Yt4RpO90

[Archedamian]

Originally Posted by Rustam15

Checking the DD site for the shipment confirmation like 14 times a day now.

I've been doing the same. LOL

[celluloidboy]

Originally Posted by Rollo Tomassi

I believe that's a deliberate decision on the part of the media makers, as more aggressive tracks tend to bring more complaints of angry neighbours. Just a thought!
I remember most audio tracks from the LD era being more dynamic than their bluray counterparts, which sucks, but it is a common problem in most releases. Check out Heat on LD and then watch the 4k. Definitely some highlight clipping involved!

... saw Heat in theaters when I was 17 ... the bass at the end, between the airplane turbines and the Moby track leading into the end credits, and the weight of the firearms in the shootout had such clean, fast low-end ....
... The Long Kiss Goodnight, Mortal Kombat, Spawn and Boogie Nights (ALL New Line titles) on DTS Laserdisc, specifically, were louder, crisper in the highs, cleaner in the lows, than their DVD or blu ray counterparts, and certainly better than anything Dolby has to offer, no matter how many channels they add ....

[RocShemp]

Originally Posted by celluloidboy

... saw Heat in theaters when I was 17 ... the bass at the end, between the airplane turbines and the Moby track leading into the end credits, and the weight of the firearms in the shootout had such clean, fast low-end ....
... The Long Kiss Goodnight, Mortal Kombat, Spawn and Boogie Nights (ALL New Line titles) on DTS Laserdisc, specifically, were louder, crisper in the highs, cleaner in the lows, than their DVD or blu ray counterparts, and certainly better than anything Dolby has to offer, no matter how many channels they add ....

Funny enough, the LD of Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace was reportedly so loud as to be lethal to many a sound system. Conversely, the DVD was a lot lower and someone from either Lucasfilm or Fox (it's been a minute, so I don't remember anymore) stated the lower average volume level on the DVD was to preserve dynamic range. At the time, people called BS and so the DVD of the sequel, Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones, was hotter. Funny enough, if you compare the two DVDs today (I never owned any of the subsequent releases), The Phantom Menace is indeed more dynamic, in both the high and low end, than Attack of the Clones. The latter is just too boomy and with little nuance. And then there is the DVD of Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith, sitting at an awkward middle. I spun that disc recently and it reminds me a lot of my BD of Avengers: Age Of Ultron regarding how compressed its dynamics are. However, Revenge of the Sith also has a surpising lack of bass. The only moment of any real oomph is the first tracking shot after the opening text crawl. Once it cuts to Anakin and Obi-Wan, it's as if my subwoofer just died and only barely makes a peep when Anakin ignites his lightsaber in front of the younglings, very late in the movie, and during portions of the Mustafar duel at the end.