Jay-Z stops Chris Brown from performing at BET Awards

[Quad]

Jay-Z didn't order them not to let Chris Brown on the stage, he gave them a choice and they made it. What would bother me and maybe it bothered Jay-Z is that Brown would be trying to resurrect his career at what could be called a memorial for Michael Jackson. While he may have really wanted to pay tribute to Jackson there was also a self serving element to Brown and his handlers wanting desperately to be part of this event that may have contributed to Jay-Z's decision.

Despite being talented and a savvy business man Jay-Z isn't someone I would hold up as a role model himself but I do agree with him that Brown trying to stage a comeback at that event would have been inappropriate despite Brown's admiration of MJ.

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by mikejet

It's not an ego thing he pulled, it's respect for his friend Rhianna. That's why he did it and it's an honorable thing.

+1... not ego. Jay used his pull to let BET know that letting this guy perform is a mistake and would only show that you can beat your girlfriend and still be accepted in the entertainment community, and even be put on TV. Wrong. The little turd gets all the disgrace he has coming to him. 'Oh, but people make mistakes!' Yeah, well now he gets to pay all the pipers that come knocking at his door.

Micheal Jackson made it plain that he was abused by his father growing up, and that he had a strong hate for his father because of it. He also stated that it's because of the hate he felt for his father growing up that he had never, never hit his children.

I think what Jay did was absolutely appropriate and reinforces the idea that abusers should not routinely be re-embraced by the community. To include a known, admitted, physical abuser in a tribute to a guy who had been physically abused himself would be perverse. Say what you want about Jackson's alleged abuse (trials, etc), Brown should not have performed and I'm glad Hov blocked him by using his pull.

[Mr. J]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

+1... not ego. Jay used his pull to let BET know that letting this guy perform is a mistake and would only show that you can beat your girlfriend and still be accepted in the entertainment community, and even be put on TV. Wrong. The little turd gets all the disgrace he has coming to him. 'Oh, but people make mistakes!' Yeah, well now he gets to pay all the pipers that come knocking at his door.

Micheal Jackson made it plain that he was abused by his father growing up, and that he had a strong hate for his father because of it. He also stated that it's because of the hate he felt for his father growing up that he had never, never hit his children.

I think what Jay did was absolutely appropriate and reinforces the idea that abusers should not routinely be re-embraced by the community. To include a known, admitted, physical abuser in a tribute to a guy who had been physically abused himself would be perverse. Say what you want about Jackson's alleged abuse (trials, etc), Brown should not have performed and I'm glad Hov blocked him by using his pull.

Well Said!

[-black]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Usher and Justin Timberlake can do better performances to honor MJ.

Seriously doubt that. If Chris can do anything its dance like Mike

[-black]

Originally Posted by MCT

ummm....what? You cant tell he sounds like a robot when he sings? You know thats not his natural voice right? He's awful, bro. Marvin and Donny turn over in their graves when they hear this bum "sing". Dont get being able to carry a tune mixed up with being able to SING....big difference.

Most Artist dont sing on stage when they are heavily dancing so thats a moot point. Even legendary artist use pre-recorded music when they are dancing on stage.

[PH3AR]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

+1... not ego. Jay used his pull to let BET know that letting this guy perform is a mistake and would only show that you can beat your girlfriend and still be accepted in the entertainment community, and even be put on TV. Wrong. The little turd gets all the disgrace he has coming to him. 'Oh, but people make mistakes!' Yeah, well now he gets to pay all the pipers that come knocking at his door.

Micheal Jackson made it plain that he was abused by his father growing up, and that he had a strong hate for his father because of it. He also stated that it's because of the hate he felt for his father growing up that he had never, never hit his children.

I think what Jay did was absolutely appropriate and reinforces the idea that abusers should not routinely be re-embraced by the community. To include a known, admitted, physical abuser in a tribute to a guy who had been physically abused himself would be perverse. Say what you want about Jackson's alleged abuse (trials, etc), Brown should not have performed and I'm glad Hov blocked him by using his pull.

Agree with you 100%

[MCT]

Originally Posted by -black

Most Artist dont sing on stage when they are heavily dancing so thats a moot point. Even legendary artist use pre-recorded music when they are dancing on stage.

nah, I'm talking about his songs on the radio and on his albums....he's terrible, cant nobody convince me otherwise. If anyone thinks he can really sing, it just proves we are a looooong way from the days of Jodeci, R. Kelly, Luther, etc. The bar has been lowered to the point where as long as somebody can hum a tune, they're considered singers. Sad state of affairs imo.

[benzgrl]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

+1... not ego. Jay used his pull to let BET know that letting this guy perform is a mistake and would only show that you can beat your girlfriend and still be accepted in the entertainment community, and even be put on TV. Wrong. The little turd gets all the disgrace he has coming to him. 'Oh, but people make mistakes!' Yeah, well now he gets to pay all the pipers that come knocking at his door.

Micheal Jackson made it plain that he was abused by his father growing up, and that he had a strong hate for his father because of it. He also stated that it's because of the hate he felt for his father growing up that he had never, never hit his children.

I think what Jay did was absolutely appropriate and reinforces the idea that abusers should not routinely be re-embraced by the community. To include a known, admitted, physical abuser in a tribute to a guy who had been physically abused himself would be perverse. Say what you want about Jackson's alleged abuse (trials, etc), Brown should not have performed and I'm glad Hov blocked him by using his pull.

Well said doctorsteve! I just want to add a few things. First, after this report of what Jay-Z did, I have come away with a lot of respect for him! I think a man like that has some real courage.

Second, something that you all might have missed is that yes, undoubtedly he cares for his friend Rihanna and stepped up to do what he felt he needed to do, but also I think his actions also spring from the fact that he has a woman in his life, his wife Beyonce, and his actions reflect on how he feels. A friend of mine is a cousin of a another hip hop artist, she used to do back up dancing for a few acts and hung out at some of the same parties. So one of the first questions I asked her was like what is up w/ Jay-Z and Beyonce?! Talk about Beauty and the Beast I would say and laugh! Like what does she see in him, I mean I know he's got money, but we all know she don't need a man in her life, she is independent and strong (a lot of her songs are about strong women). But she told me straight that it's not like that, that he treats her so well! He treats her SO good and that he comes from a really nice family. I was like wow!

So there you have it, at least that's what she said.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

+1... not ego. Jay used his pull to let BET know that letting this guy perform is a mistake and would only show that you can beat your girlfriend and still be accepted in the entertainment community, and even be put on TV. Wrong. The little turd gets all the disgrace he has coming to him. 'Oh, but people make mistakes!' Yeah, well now he gets to pay all the pipers that come knocking at his door.

Micheal Jackson made it plain that he was abused by his father growing up, and that he had a strong hate for his father because of it. He also stated that it's because of the hate he felt for his father growing up that he had never, never hit his children.

I think what Jay did was absolutely appropriate and reinforces the idea that abusers should not routinely be re-embraced by the community. To include a known, admitted, physical abuser in a tribute to a guy who had been physically abused himself would be perverse. Say what you want about Jackson's alleged abuse (trials, etc), Brown should not have performed and I'm glad Hov blocked him by using his pull.

I agree with this.

Also, I have to throw a joke in here.

Is the O.P. saying that Chris Brown has 99 problems, but a b**ch ain't one?

Logan

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by MCT

nah, I'm talking about his songs on the radio and on his albums....he's terrible, cant nobody convince me otherwise. If anyone thinks he can really sing, it just proves we are a looooong way from the days of Jodeci, R. Kelly, Luther, etc. The bar has been lowered to the point where as long as somebody can hum a tune, they're considered singers. Sad state of affairs imo.

It's not even so much that anymore.

I agree with the bar lowering, it's not even really music anymore, it's spoken word poetry.

Think about it, singing is done with melody and pitch, spoken word poetry is rhyming to a musical backbeat.

Logan

[Lord_Stewie]

I actually am glad that Jay Z pulled this off. Chris Brown did something despicable, I have no respect for someone who would raise their hand on any girl whatsoever. Otherwise, it would be okay to beat up your own mum or sis.

He should be put in jail. A man strength is not to hurt women. And i live by that.

[BluRayTim]

Originally Posted by DeeChizzle

Screw Chris Brown. Jay-Z is like the Michael Jordan of Hip-Hop. Why shouldn't he have some influence on this matter. BET thought it was more important to have Jay-Z perform so it was a decision that they made and I respect that decision. I would've like to see Chris go to jail and become an inmate's pet.

If Chris Brown deserves to be an inmates pet in prison, then what do David Berkowitz, Charles Manson and Mike Tyson deserve?

I also think Chris Brown deserves to be locked up and is, without a doubt, a violent, horrible man. And, yes, I think Jay Z did the right thing by not allowing Chris “Low Life” Brown from participating in the Michael Jackson Tribute.

But many people are speaking of him like he is the black David Berkowitz or Charles Manson. Mike Tyson is a black David Berkowitz or Charles Manson much more so than Chris Brown.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

It's not even so much that anymore.

I agree with the bar lowering, it's not even really music anymore, it's spoken word poetry.

Think about it, singing is done with melody and pitch, spoken word poetry is rhyming to a musical backbeat.

Logan

Which is why I love watching Russell Simmons Def Poetry Jam.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by BluRayTim

If Chris Brown deserves to be an inmates pet in prison, then what do David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, Mike Tyson and Michael Vick deserve?

I also think Chris Brown deserves to be locked up and is, without a doubt, a violent, horrible man. And, yes, I think Jay Z did the right thing by not allowing Chris “Low Life” Brown from participating in the Michael Jackson Tribute.

But many people are speaking of him like he is the black Ted Bundy. Mike Tyson and Michael Vick are black Ted Bundys (or black Charles Mansons or even black David Berkowitzes) much more so than Chris Brown.

vick killed dogs, not people you have it twisted. Beating a woman is a far worse crime, not even close.

[Shelly B]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Did Jay Z beat the crap out of a girl? You can do hypothetical's all day. But Jay Z didn't, that POS Chris Brown did. He's lucky that he isn't in jail where he deserves to be.

Actually he did! Go to youtube and type in Jay Z hit a woman you will see it! He paid her not to file charges so he is in no position to judge.

Also, they could have done without him AND Beyonce. She trashed the Jackson family in the media a few months ago and never apologized to them. Janet called her out, and instead of taking the chance to say that she (Beyonce) was wrong, she got her sister to back her up saying that the Jackson's need to get over it because Beyonce only told the truth! She and Jay Z are in no position to judge anyone and had NO right to be on the stage in Michael's honor. That and neither performance had nothing to do with MJ. It was all about promoting their albums.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Shelly B

Actually he did! Go to youtube and type in Jay Z hit a woman you will see it! He paid her not to file charges so he is in no position to judge.

Can't see YouTube at work, what does it show?

Without knowing more, just because you pay someone not to file charges does NOT necessarily mean you did what you're accused of.

[nothing.sound]

So he can't perform because he hit his g/friend, but they can all dedicate a worldwide special presentation tribute to a child molestor. That's ****ed up! think about it.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by nothing.sound

So he can't perform because he hit his g/friend, but they can all dedicate a worldwide special presentation tribute to a child molestor. That's ****ed up! think about it.

One major difference: Michael Jackson was never found guilty of anything. Ever.

[nothing.sound]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

One major difference: Michael Jackson was never found guilty of anything. Ever.

neither was o.j.

[cartman781]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Then they should have tried to call his bluff and said we don't care. They didn't, their loss. It's BET's choice to listen or not.

Thanks, thats exactly what I was thinking.