300 BD outsells HD DVD 65/35 - USA TODAY

[Petey Pablo]

Well I guess this sends a message to studios like Universal and others that are holding back on films that the public wants to see on Blu. It is time that we start opening up their eyes and let them understand that there is a market out there, and people want to see their favorite films on BD. For people like me I refuse to buy and watch any regular DVD that is put out by Universal, or even go to Universal stidios untill this war is over,........we can call this my own personal vendetta.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by phil

What's your data or proof that this statement is true and factual and not speculation? Do you feel Warner is to lose a bunch of money in the near future? And approximately what is the timeline for this to occur? Clearly it's bad business so I just wanna see the evidence of all of this.

the average consumer (what people call joe6packs or other stuff) see 2 High Def formats and say screw that, I'll wait till the war is over and keep buying DVDs. I've seen even Disney aficionados that buy every slipcover variation in DVD, say they won't buy till the war is over, even when their favorite studio is releasing high quality High Def discs. It's Uncertainty and Doubt that eats profits. I'm sure if there was no war, individual titles sales would automatically increase in a blink. Meaning 300 -> much more than 250,000 copies. Having 2 formats is confusing and ultimately it is a BRAKE on sales.

Much more than 250,000 copies > 250,000 copies and would make more money to Warner than 250,000 copies. which is your argument. If there was only one format, the same 85,000 people that bought the HD DVD third of the 250,000 figure, would have bought the UNI-FORMAT copies of that title. So HD DVD sales are not an adittion of sales, it's a bifurcation of overall HIGH DEFINITION sales that are being slowed down by the two format BRAKE.

[Razzy]

woohoo!! I just got my copy of 300 in the mail today from Amazon. Can't wait to watch it tonight.

OK Warner, get the hint yet? 300 sold like crazy on Blu. Gimme Batman Begins and the Matrix trilogy already!!

[The Big Blue]

"HD DVD is the format of choice for great sci-fi content, from movies and hit TV shows to the classics," said Ken Graffeo, co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group. "Heroes: Season 1 and the original Star Trek series are only available on HD DVD, and blockbuster titles such as 300 have interactive features you can only find here. HD DVD is the format that caters to the fan base."

[caliminius]

Originally Posted by phil

GLad to see that those PS3 owners finally decided to try out their Blu Ray player, LOL. Now if we could only convince them to buy more flicks.

I'm working on it for pity's sake! I've only had the thing for 3 weeks...

I've bought 7 movies thus far, and I have another 6 on pre-order (8 technically since the one is the Spider-Man trilogy). It would be 7 if Amazon would put up Close Encounters of the Third Kind for preorder. I've been trying to avoid (re)buying movies I already own on DVD (but I'm tempted to see how gorgeous the newly remastered version of The Fifth Element looks and move up to 3 times I've bought the bloody film).

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by caliminius

I'm working on it for pity's sake! I've only had the thing for 3 weeks...

I've bought 7 movies thus far, and I have another 6 on pre-order (8 technically since the one is the Spider-Man trilogy). It would be 7 if Amazon would put up Close Encounters of the Third Kind for preorder. I've been trying to avoid (re)buying movies I already own on DVD (but I'm tempted to see how gorgeous the newly remastered version of The Fifth Element looks and move up to 3 times I've bought the bloody film).

I've had my PS3 since December and got about 30 Blu-Ray movies, including The Fifth Element (remasterd). I gotta tell you, the PQ is amazing.

[jtconnolly]

where is this data coming from, I can;t find these %'s USA today had access to. Where is this actual data?

[phil]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

the average consumer (what people call joe6packs or other stuff) see 2 High Def formats and say screw that, I'll wait till the war is over and keep buying DVDs. I've seen even Disney aficionados that buy every slipcover variation in DVD, say they won't buy till the war is over, even when their favorite studio is releasing high quality High Def discs. It's Uncertainty and Doubt that eats profits. I'm sure if there was no war, individual titles sales would automatically increase in a blink. Meaning 300 -> much more than 250,000 copies. Having 2 formats is confusing and ultimately it is a BRAKE on sales.

Much more than 250,000 copies > 250,000 copies and would make more money to Warner than 250,000 copies. which is your argument. If there was only one format, the same 85,000 people that bought the HD DVD third of the 250,000 figure, would have bought the UNI-FORMAT copies of that title. So HD DVD sales are not an adittion of sales, it's a bifurcation of overall HIGH DEFINITION sales that are being slowed down by the two format BRAKE.

Well if you're so sure that all of this is true why isn't Warner Listening to you? So they really are committing business suicide, when do you think they'll claim bankruptcy?

[Deciazulado]

Research this forum for Warner threads, you'll find the answer.

[phil]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Research this forum for Warner threads, you'll find the answer.

I highly doubt this forum or anyone in this forum has the answer to that question, LoL. So when do you think Warner will claim Bankruptcy though?

[jtconnolly]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Research this forum for Warner threads, you'll find the answer.

I did, to no prevail. 65 to 35 seems a little erroneous to me but hope it is true. anyone know where these numbers came from? USA today has to have decent sources before writing, don't they?

[grip24]

Check out what the hd-dvds guys are saying over at avs.....

Exactly Plazman..not only that..here I'll show some simple math here..

Sold units ratio means very little when the bottom line is MONEY, not how many units they sold..

So if we compare how much MONEY Warner made on Blu-Ray and how much on HD DVD version..we get a bit different story

For the ratio of 65:35 for number of sold units Warners gross income from titles looks like this:

- 300 on HD DVD combo sold 87,500 units @ $35, some places like Target now the combo is going for $39.99

- 300 on Blu-Ray sold 162,500 units @ 24.95. The price is pretty equal everywhere.

Now pay attention at the power of HD DVD:

- Blu-Ray 300 grossed them $4,060,875
- HD DVD 300 grossed them $3,045,000

Keep in mind that HD DVD version at $35 was sold at some places for $39.99 but let's keep it clean at $35. Sure somewhere you could get it for $28 but the middle grounds would be $35. Not only that but I'm pretty certain that printing HD DVD versions cost them less so their profit margin has increased too.

When you do a little math out of $7,105,875 that they made on both titles if they sold 250k units. Warner's actual gross income in percentage is

57:43 in favor of Blu-Ray. Now this is truly impressive. Being in SHORT supply of HD DVD titles, and despite the fact that there's 10:1 Blu-Ray players out there, HD DVD actually almost manages to make almost 50% of hi-def sale for Warner, pointing out that number of SOLD units is not the only way to look at things.

To put things in perspective, let's assume that in the upcoming months, Warner increases shipped number of units for HD DVD to retail chains and sells the same number of titles..I will use 300 for reference again.

250k units as a sample... 50:50 number of sold copies the gross income for Warner looks like this:

125k units HD DVD sold @ $35 = 4,375,000
125k units BLu-Ray sold @ $25 = 3,125,000

That's 58:42 ratio in gross income in favor of HD DVD.

So, if a studio sells the SAME amount of HD DVD combo titles as Blu-Ray ones (which is not THAT far fetched) they actually make close to 60:40 ration money wise in favor of HD DVD.

This is where the power of HD DVD is..and don't forget again, we are talking about 10:1 in number of PLAYERs on the market. That's what I call consumer POWER.

[Deciazulado]

I don't think Warner will ever claim bankruptcy.




Every day it's aftermidnight and the water doesn't stop

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

"HD DVD is the format of choice for great sci-fi content, from movies and hit TV shows to the classics," said Ken Graffeo, co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group. "Heroes: Season 1 and the original Star Trek series are only available on HD DVD, and blockbuster titles such as 300 have interactive features you can only find here. HD DVD is the format that caters to the fan base."

I guess the Fifth Element, Planet of The Apes, Æon Flux, and Close Encounters Of The Third Kind are not Science Fiction (but BD-50s are!), the Sopranos Rescue Me and Lost can't be watched on Blu-ray, and I'm really really missing out by not watching irteractive features while doing what I really want, which is watch the MOVIE. Excuse me while I get some cool rigntones so I can be confused by my cel with a cry that will make me think is it HD DVD or is it Cingularex? and make me pause the slash of a leg to check.

[CptGreedle]

Man what will they think of next?
Maybe the HD-DVD costs more cause it was more expensive to make with all those "extras"? Oh, and maybe that assumption that they all cost that price is wrong. Many places I saw did not have the combo version of it on HD-DVD.
I don't know what their smoking, but I think it sounds something like denial.

Even with those facts, it only goes to show that the Blu-ray version against an unreasonable assumption of price is STILL making them more than a million dollars more!

GAH!

[JTK]

Originally Posted by grip24

Check out what the hd-dvds guys are saying over at avs.....

Exactly Plazman..not only that..here I'll show some simple math here..

Sold units ratio means very little when the bottom line is MONEY, not how many units they sold..

So if we compare how much MONEY Warner made on Blu-Ray and how much on HD DVD version..we get a bit different story

For the ratio of 65:35 for number of sold units Warners gross income from titles looks like this:

- 300 on HD DVD combo sold 87,500 units @ $35, some places like Target now the combo is going for $39.99

- 300 on Blu-Ray sold 162,500 units @ 24.95. The price is pretty equal everywhere.

Now pay attention at the power of HD DVD:

- Blu-Ray 300 grossed them $4,060,875
- HD DVD 300 grossed them $3,045,000

Keep in mind that HD DVD version at $35 was sold at some places for $39.99 but let's keep it clean at $35. Sure somewhere you could get it for $28 but the middle grounds would be $35. Not only that but I'm pretty certain that printing HD DVD versions cost them less so their profit margin has increased too.

When you do a little math out of $7,105,875 that they made on both titles if they sold 250k units. Warner's actual gross income in percentage is

57:43 in favor of Blu-Ray. Now this is truly impressive. Being in SHORT supply of HD DVD titles, and despite the fact that there's 10:1 Blu-Ray players out there, HD DVD actually almost manages to make almost 50% of hi-def sale for Warner, pointing out that number of SOLD units is not the only way to look at things.

To put things in perspective, let's assume that in the upcoming months, Warner increases shipped number of units for HD DVD to retail chains and sells the same number of titles..I will use 300 for reference again.

250k units as a sample... 50:50 number of sold copies the gross income for Warner looks like this:

125k units HD DVD sold @ $35 = 4,375,000
125k units BLu-Ray sold @ $25 = 3,125,000

That's 58:42 ratio in gross income in favor of HD DVD.

So, if a studio sells the SAME amount of HD DVD combo titles as Blu-Ray ones (which is not THAT far fetched) they actually make close to 60:40 ration money wise in favor of HD DVD.

This is where the power of HD DVD is..and don't forget again, we are talking about 10:1 in number of PLAYERs on the market. That's what I call consumer POWER.

Where in the hell are they getting this garbage from?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by grip24

For the ratio of 65:35 for number of sold units Warners gross income from titles looks like this:

- 300 on HD DVD combo sold 87,500 units @ $35, some places like Target now the combo is going for $39.99

- 300 on Blu-Ray sold 162,500 units @ 24.95. The price is pretty equal everywhere.

Now pay attention at the power of HD DVD:

- Blu-Ray 300 grossed them $4,060,875
- HD DVD 300 grossed them $3,045,000

So, with it at $27.95 on Amazon, all 87,500 units sold @$35?

Maybe Warner should double the price of HD DVD and really clean up.

Gary

P.S. See the sig.

"100% HD - FORMAT NEUTRAL - HD DVD SUPPORTER"

A format neutral HD DVD supporter. Wild.

[grip24]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Man what will they think of next?
Maybe the HD-DVD costs more cause it was more expensive to make with all those "extras"? Oh, and maybe that assumption that they all cost that price is wrong. Many places I saw did not have the combo version of it on HD-DVD.
I don't know what their smoking, but I think it sounds something like denial.

Even with those facts, it only goes to show that the Blu-ray version against an unreasonable assumption of price is STILL making them more than a million dollars more!

GAH!

heres the link to that.....
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1&page=3&pp=30

[The Big Blue]

That's some funny ass chit.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by grip24

Check out what the hd-dvds guys are saying over at avs.....

Exactly Plazman..not only that..here I'll show some simple math here..

Sold units ratio means very little when the bottom line is MONEY, not how many units they sold..

So if we compare how much MONEY Warner made on Blu-Ray and how much on HD DVD version..we get a bit different story

For the ratio of 65:35 for number of sold units Warners gross income from titles looks like this:

- 300 on HD DVD combo sold 87,500 units @ $35, some places like Target now the combo is going for $39.99

- 300 on Blu-Ray sold 162,500 units @ 24.95. The price is pretty equal everywhere.

Now pay attention at the power of HD DVD:

- Blu-Ray 300 grossed them $4,060,875
- HD DVD 300 grossed them $3,045,000

Keep in mind that HD DVD version at $35 was sold at some places for $39.99 but let's keep it clean at $35. Sure somewhere you could get it for $28 but the middle grounds would be $35. Not only that but I'm pretty certain that printing HD DVD versions cost them less so their profit margin has increased too.

When you do a little math out of $7,105,875 that they made on both titles if they sold 250k units. Warner's actual gross income in percentage is

57:43 in favor of Blu-Ray. Now this is truly impressive. Being in SHORT supply of HD DVD titles, and despite the fact that there's 10:1 Blu-Ray players out there, HD DVD actually almost manages to make almost 50% of hi-def sale for Warner, pointing out that number of SOLD units is not the only way to look at things.

To put things in perspective, let's assume that in the upcoming months, Warner increases shipped number of units for HD DVD to retail chains and sells the same number of titles..I will use 300 for reference again.

250k units as a sample... 50:50 number of sold copies the gross income for Warner looks like this:

125k units HD DVD sold @ $35 = 4,375,000
125k units BLu-Ray sold @ $25 = 3,125,000

That's 58:42 ratio in gross income in favor of HD DVD.

So, if a studio sells the SAME amount of HD DVD combo titles as Blu-Ray ones (which is not THAT far fetched) they actually make close to 60:40 ration money wise in favor of HD DVD.

This is where the power of HD DVD is..and don't forget again, we are talking about 10:1 in number of PLAYERs on the market. That's what I call consumer POWER.

Yeah, real nice. How can you claim that the "on sale" price of the HD DVD is $10 more than the Blu-ray. When most places only had a $5 price difference, because of the SRP. Nice way to try to steer those numbers in the favor of HD DVD.

[johnnyd1]

Originally Posted by JTK

Where in the hell are they getting this garbage from?

I'm telling ya...their brains are dead