So... Microsoft is trying to buy out the war!

[krinkle]

The BDA nees to do something and now!

If Warner goes HDDVD exclusive the war will be OVER.

The BDA consortium put together is much bigger than Microsoft. We cannot afford another defection.

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by krinkle

The BDA nees to do something and now!

If Warner goes HDDVD exclusive the war will be OVER.

The BDA consortium put together is much bigger than Microsoft. We cannot afford another defection.

Well, if you believe "HD-DVD" insider used car salesman boozer bob three more defections are coming at cedia, one major studio and two minors.

[The Guardian]

Purely speculation, what sort of counter move do you think BDA needs?

Obviously getting Warner or New Line exclusive would count.

What are the less obvious options?

Do you think Star Wars would do it, for example? Anything else?

[shadowmoon]

Guys, lets face it. Time Warner will do what they think is best for the company, not the consumer. MS offers them a bag o cash to help them recover from the R&D cost will be really hard to resist. If most R&D and/or startup cost can be made back in the first 2 years, then the company is doing REALLY well. So if MS comes in and pays WB 200 mil for their loyalty, you bet they will take it. They know eventually we will all break down and give them our hard earned dollars one way or another, BD or HD DVD.

That said, I've decided (regardless of some of my emotional posts yesterday about going neutral) to stay with the BD camp since I believe this is the best format for the long run.

I agree with the point of the THD WB has been developing. They put a lot of money into it. The original thought was WB put THD on hold due to the Blockbuster and Target success, now doesn't look like the case. If the info that WB is meeting with MS leaked out now, that means this has been going on for quite a while, and putting THD and pretty much half the BD on hold might be a sign of things to come.

Am I just being pessimistic? I hope so. The news about Paramount was pretty big blow, we can gain retailers but losing a studio support is huge! Look at how many ppl, myself included, had thought about jumping ship or already jumped ship. Can you imagine the devastating effect of losing another studio?

Overall, I think there is a good chance WB will be HD DVD exclusive. Not because we didnt write them enough letters or buy enough movies or show enough support, its simply due a large sack with a big $ on it that will be dropped off at WB's doorstep. Positive note? Then combo player will succeed and this format war will no longer be determined by studio support but contents of the discs. To be honest, once profile 1.1 and BD live goes up, it might actually be in our favor since no matter what ppl say, 50GB of info is still > 30GB of info

[Ender]

Originally Posted by shadowmoon

Time Warner will do what they think is best for the company, not the consumer.

For any ethical business there is no conflict between what is best for the company and consumer. Quality products lead to consumer purchase, and both entities benefit. Only when shady dealings like the Paramount deal come up does the false choice appear, and in the long run harm will come to both the studio and the customer, with the unscrupulous third party being the only beneficiary.

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

Well, if you believe "HD-DVD" insider used car salesman boozer bob three more defections are coming at cedia, one major studio and two minors.

Link?

[LeoneFan]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

If Warner go HD-DVD exclusive it's game over, I'll buy a HD-DVD player the next day, no doubt about it, dual format will be the future.

It's about time the BDA used some of the their financial muscle to keep Warner onboard/exclusive AND reduced player prices to sub $250 within weeks.

If Warner goes HDDUD exclusive then it's game over for both Blu-ray and HDDVD since it will be SACD vs DVD-A part 2. So you'd be wasting money on a junk HDDVD player.

[supabilly8]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

If Warner goes HDDUD exclusive then it's game over for both Blu-ray and HDDVD since it will be SACD vs DVD-A part 2. So you'd be wasting money on a junk HDDVD player.

theres no way warner can go hd-dvd

they strongly promote being neutral and i doubt a fat check can change that

paramount was quiet on the format wars and thats why they were brought out so easily

warner wont cave in like that

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by blublublu

Link?

I read it over on AVMS shortly before I decided to never visit that forum again.

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by supabilly8

theres no way warner can go hd-dvd

they strongly promote being neutral and i doubt a fat check can change that

paramount was quiet on the format wars and thats why they were brought out so easily

warner wont cave in like that

Why are you so sure? I thought the only direction exclusive studios would go is in the direction of blu-ray. I learned the hard way yesterday. I am ready for anything now (I think) when it comes to the low levels that the HD-DUD group will stoop too.

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

I read it over on AVMS shortly before I decided to never visit that forum again.

DIdn't see it myself from the person in question, just to expect something at CEDIA.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by JTK

Folks, this is how MS plays ball, especially when they're losing. They open the wallet and they'll do whatever it takes.

I guess the home theater market is going to have to learn the hard way the lessons of what MS is about and how they work. The PC market knows it all too well for the past 30 years.

Like I've said before: Warner going HD-DVD exclusive probably wouldn't have surprised many if that had been the big news yesterday. Paramount was a surprise (to non insiders.)


So I certainly won't panic on a rumor or anything, but if Warner goes HD-DVD exclusive, I'd see it as them ending a pretense anyways. It will not surprise me if it happens and possibly soon. I certainly think there's better than 50/50 chance that Warner takes the MS bribe like Paramount did.

Obviously that move would create a true format war schism and would probably set us all up for SACD vs. DVD-A II.

You know, we're always hearing "Let the consumer decide!"
WE HAVE HEARD THIS FROM THE PEOPLE AT AVS all for the past year but since they blame sony when MICROSOFT DOES THIS Microsoft gets a free pass. i say watch the fireworks when MICROSOFT FAILS. and they will FAIL because even WB likes MONEY and to WB that the movie "the 300" was selling 2 to 1 over HD DVD in blu-rays copy's over HD DVD .is a clear sign that blu-ray can make WB money

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by blublublu

DIdn't see it myself from the person in question, just to expect something at CEDIA.

Maybe I got confused yesterday about who said it. But someone said that they heard from an HD-DUD insider that a major studio was going dud exclusive followed by two minor studios.

[jw]

I was wondering if maybe we all wrote letters to our congressmen stating that there might be some sort of violation, if any, with the 150 million buyoff. I wonder if they receive enough complaints would they start an investigation into monopolistic practices of microsoft? Just an idea......

[The Don]

I haven't read the posts in this thread...

but basing off the title, this is what I have to say...

MS isn't trying to buy out the war...because they are not trying to win..

MS just wants the war to go on for as long as possible so they can get their downloads out there and try to make that format appear superior to the "confusion" going on between HD DVD and BD...

[maconomics]

Originally Posted by shadowmoon

Guys, lets face it. Time Warner will do what they think is best for the company, not the consumer. MS offers them a bag o cash to help them recover from the R&D cost will be really hard to resist. If most R&D and/or startup cost can be made back in the first 2 years, then the company is doing REALLY well. So if MS comes in and pays WB 200 mil for their loyalty, you bet they will take it. They know eventually we will all break down and give them our hard earned dollars one way or another, BD or HD DVD.

That said, I've decided (regardless of some of my emotional posts yesterday about going neutral) to stay with the BD camp since I believe this is the best format for the long run.

I agree with the point of the THD WB has been developing. They put a lot of money into it. The original thought was WB put THD on hold due to the Blockbuster and Target success, now doesn't look like the case. If the info that WB is meeting with MS leaked out now, that means this has been going on for quite a while, and putting THD and pretty much half the BD on hold might be a sign of things to come.

Am I just being pessimistic? I hope so. The news about Paramount was pretty big blow, we can gain retailers but losing a studio support is huge! Look at how many ppl, myself included, had thought about jumping ship or already jumped ship. Can you imagine the devastating effect of losing another studio?

Overall, I think there is a good chance WB will be HD DVD exclusive. Not because we didnt write them enough letters or buy enough movies or show enough support, its simply due a large sack with a big $ on it that will be dropped off at WB's doorstep. Positive note? Then combo player will succeed and this format war will no longer be determined by studio support but contents of the discs. To be honest, once profile 1.1 and BD live goes up, it might actually be in our favor since no matter what ppl say, 50GB of info is still > 30GB of info

I don't think that will happen ! WB and Disney are conglomerates M$ cannot simply throw money their way. It would take billions. They also don't have a high enough number for FOX. You can bet that Universal cashed their check a long time ago.. generally the company has not had any profitable movies at the box office in years, the same goes for Paramount until Transformers. The two companies became easy suckers because of their low movie profits.

[Anthony P]

I haven't read the posts in this thread...

but basing off the title, this is what I have to say...

MS isn't trying to buy out the war...because they are not trying to win..

MS just wants the war to go on for as long as possible so they can get their downloads out there and try to make that format appear superior to the "confusion" going on between HD DVD and BD...

fully agree

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by The Don

I haven't read the posts in this thread...

but basing off the title, this is what I have to say...

MS isn't trying to buy out the war...because they are not trying to win..

MS just wants the war to go on for as long as possible so they can get their downloads out there and try to make that format appear superior to the "confusion" going on between HD DVD and BD...

+2

[95pgtproject]

my next pc is gonna be apple. **** MS! what there doing is complete bs

Sony could bribe $$$$ studios just the same but there not stupid cause in the end it would be a complete waist of money....................